Oppopinion / QOTD: What Car Is Only Good When It's Stock?

"TotallyThatStupid" (jbbush) 10/23/2014 at 16:52 • Filed to: QOTD, OPPOPINION, BMW, M3

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The main site question today is "What car is only good when it's modified?" I have a different question.

I'm not morally opposed to modifying cars. Far from it. But some cars are so good out of the box it's hard to see why the artist's interpretation makes any sense. Some cars are so good in stock format, they are not only perfectly of their own time but also hold fast today.

Example: A stock 1995 M3 is a phenomenal car. Not only was it amazing in its day, but the performance and amenities have held up well almost 20 years later. It does a lot of things really well. It handles beautifully, its engine makes nice noises (even in US-trim), and it will idle in traffic with the AC running. Will a new M3 - or even a recent M3 - outperform it? Sure. But so what?

So, Oppo, show me what cars you like in stock format rather than breathed on. No arguments, just looking for opinions.

505Turbeaux > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 16:53

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in my opinion, this. It does everything it needs to just as is.

Brian Silvestro > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 16:54

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Every car can be made better with modifications.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 16:57

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Something absurdly expensive like Pagani i think..

My citroen won't start > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 16:58

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Luxo-Barges: LS, 7 series, A8, Maybach, Bentley, Rolls. They should all be kept unmodified.

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:01

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I think a more accurate turn of phrase would be, "what cars came out of the factory with no glaring weaknesses," and my vote is:

But the first gen 6 cyl M3 is definitely a Hall of Fame car. I totally agree with you there.

crowmolly > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:02

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Probably the only ones that fit the bill are hypercars like something from Pagani or Koenigsegg.

I would say that every regular production car has something that could be modified to suit your needs better. Even something simple like tires or brake pads.

Coty > Brian Silvestro 10/23/2014 at 17:04

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Coty > 505Turbeaux 10/23/2014 at 17:05

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You know exactly what I would do with one, and you'd hate me for it.

505Turbeaux > Coty 10/23/2014 at 17:08

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yup, I would beat you for it if it was this nice to start with. It does look good though. For you

sup?

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:12

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This

camaroboy68ss > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:12

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1962 Chevy Bel Air "Bubbletop" 409/409

67 Corvette but really any corvette

First Gen Camaro

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > crowmolly 10/23/2014 at 17:13

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I kind of wonder if the cars that are at the opposite end of the spectrum don't fall under an alternate rule, though. If a car is sufficiently deficient-yet-utilitarian, there aren't many things you can do to it to make it objectively better without both making a silk purse out of a sow's ear and making other aspects of the car worse. Por ejemplo:

505Turbeaux > camaroboy68ss 10/23/2014 at 17:13

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that 401 bubbletop, that

Coty > 505Turbeaux 10/23/2014 at 17:14

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This is exactly how I would do one.

Petfrog > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:15

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Two cars which I prefer stock is my w211 e55. Mainly for reliability reasons - I.e piston #8 failure on the m113k v8 from "tunes". I also like E39 M5's which are unmolested. I'm OK with lowering springs, for a slight drop but anything significant makes me walk away. By stock I also mean OEM or equal parts, I.e no URO brand peasant parts. However if aftermarket parts improve reliability over stock its something I consider.

Most cars IMO look nice stock or slight tasteful upgrades- provided they are taken care of in terms of paint etc.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:17

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Most of them.

505Turbeaux > Coty 10/23/2014 at 17:17

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haha you can have that acupulco. I hate those. But that is bad ass

I Do It For Miatas, NC Owner > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:18

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CRX Si

Trevor Slattery, ACTOR > camaroboy68ss 10/23/2014 at 17:21

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The roofline on the Bubbletop....wow. Too bad that long rear overhang ruined the balance of the design.

briannutter1 > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:23

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Don't need to mess with this.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Brian Silvestro 10/23/2014 at 17:29

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And every car can be utterly ruined by them.

Vicente Esteve > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 17:35

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G-Wagen

Mercedes Already Pimps it nicely.

Brian Silvestro > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney 10/23/2014 at 17:52

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This is more true than anything.

HiredDriver > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 18:06

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Acura NSX.

HiredDriver > Petfrog 10/23/2014 at 18:08

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+1 to the E39 M5. Ever so slight drop and they are PERFECT. The same can be said for any M car, really.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/23/2014 at 18:09

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There is a company in Europe that fits these with BMW flat 2 motorcycle engines. I would think that would make it better, or at least streetable.

guymandude > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 18:33

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that's not an M. If OEM is the same price as the upgrade, then upgrade. (ie. coilovers. swaybars etc...) I want it set up for my driving style, not a neutral factory setup. body kits are for posers.

RallyWrench > Trevor Slattery, ACTOR 10/23/2014 at 18:46

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Absolutely agree. The Mk1 GTi is so fun out of the box that almost anything you do to it will compromise it somehow.

djmt1 > TotallyThatStupid 10/23/2014 at 19:29

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Honda some how made a 6 second FWD Hot Hatch in 2001.

They know better than you, leave their work as it is.

Petfrog > HiredDriver 10/23/2014 at 19:31

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I was looking to purchase an E39 m5 a few months back. However, the owner turned out to be a scam artist. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/…

I almost gave him the deposit but got saved by carproof. It had been in a bad collision and the owner did not disclose.

Petfrog > HiredDriver 10/23/2014 at 19:34

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Here is the same car. If anyone could make a post about this, feel free. The advertisement is on Kijij in Ontario, Canada. I can provide more evidence if anyone would like. If someone would like, they can also msg the owner for the vin and see that it is the same one in my carproof.

Ravey Mayvey Slurpee Surprise > TotallyThatStupid 10/24/2014 at 13:01

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Volkswagen Phaeton. Actually, this question really does apply to most hyperluxury cars, but the Phaeton was the only one in the price range for people who would want to modify it to be able to get a hand on it.

Rally Rolls nonwithstanding. That thing is awesome. I doubt you could do thar properly with a current Phantom, though.

TotallyThatStupid > Ravey Mayvey Slurpee Surprise 10/24/2014 at 13:17

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Is modding a Phaeton a thing? Crikey!

Jedidiah > camaroboy68ss 10/24/2014 at 14:01

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Goddamn Chevrolet made some sexy cars back then.