R34 GT-R

"CAcoalminer" (CAcoalminer) 10/20/2014 at 20:07 • Filed to: None

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While I've always respected this car, I've never thought, "Wow that's absolutely beautiful." That changed with this photo:

Also, everyone should take the time to read !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! and stare longingly at the images. You'll love the bathrooms.

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YSI-what can brown do for you > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:09

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I have always thought the R34 looks a bit off. The R32 is perfect though!

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:10

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oh my...

CAcoalminer > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/20/2014 at 20:11

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There are pictures of that in the article as well.

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 20:14

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I know!

Also, I wish my garage was this spotless:

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:15

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I wish I had a garage...

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 20:17

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Oh...

Dsscats > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:17

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Achem...... http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/this-is-how-it…

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:19

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It works now. How does it even get that clean?! You need to clean up the tire marks every time a car moves.

CAcoalminer > Dsscats 10/20/2014 at 20:21

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I remember that article. Great write up.

Maybe it's the lighting but I prefer this one to the car in your post.

Blondude > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:24

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Dem Nismo Z-Tune flares.

Funny, I'm working on a Z-Tune paint job and tune for the R34 GT-R in Horizon 2 right now.

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 20:25

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I know! The Dallas house has an epoxy floor but that's even difficult to keep clean and don't get me started on the tile in the Telluride house and barn.

Epoxy floor:

CAcoalminer > Blondude 10/20/2014 at 20:27

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Very cool. Be sure to post pictures when you're finished.

Have you seen these?

http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/09/gtr-fo…

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:27

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SO REFLECTIVE

Yeah the amount of effort to keep a floor like that clean would be waaay too much for me.

Dsscats > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:29

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Meh, who cares if it's the lighting or the photography or the garage, but you'd be crazy not to.

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 20:36

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Indeed. The other problem is that I'm the type that likes to tinker with things but hates to clean up afterwards.

CAcoalminer > Dsscats 10/20/2014 at 20:37

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Well, I don't really like the wheels or intercooler on the one in the article.

NonDriftingS13 > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:37

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Wow, I didn't realize Nismo actually did work for someone other than Nissan! And seeing all of those GT-Rs is just magnificent.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:38

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Theres two R34's around portland that I've seen, one was out on I84 heading west into Portland , the second is owned by PSI and is their shop car. By the time they're legal for import I should be financially set enough to buy one.

CAcoalminer > NonDriftingS13 10/20/2014 at 20:41

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I didn't either. It must be amazing to be able to have your car serviced by racing professionals and to see all of those other magnificent machines with yours.

CAcoalminer > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 10/20/2014 at 20:42

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Very cool. What color are they?

Dsscats > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:42

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Me either. And if I were to take an R34 GTR, it would preferably be in this form......

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:43

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I think that deep down, everyone's that type.

"Hmmm, I wonder what this plug does.."

*spills transmission fluid everywhere*

"Whoops. I guess I'll just refill it and NEVER USE THIS SPACE AGAIN"

CAcoalminer > Dsscats 10/20/2014 at 20:43

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Is that completely stock?

Dsscats > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:46

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Nope, conversion. They were 2 door only, although there was a semi-factory (Autech, basically AMG pre Merc-merge) R33 GTR 4 door and an R32 4 door with an RB26 non-turbo (Completely unique), AWD and an auto.

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 20:47

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I like to think so but unfortunately they aren't. I have had at least 3 employees who were clutter phobes (I don't actually know what it's called) and just had to keep their office spaces clean.

That scene would basically describe my life if my wife didn't harp on me about it.

Blondude > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 20:48

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Yisssss.

CAcoalminer > Dsscats 10/20/2014 at 20:49

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Interesting. That's looks really nicely executed.

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:00

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Yeah I guess that makes sense.

"Honey, why is the car in the garage in pieces? It's been like that for 3 months."

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 21:06

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Essentially.

On a car related note, are you going to begin rallying the Fiesta?

Dsscats > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:06

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And this is the Autech 4 door R33 GTR

CAcoalminer > Dsscats 10/20/2014 at 21:07

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Very cool. How much were the conversions?

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:10

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I'm going to continue regularly rallycrossing and autocrossing the Fiesta, maybe a few track days here or there, until 2017. Then I'm going to sell it and either buy a rally car already built, or buy a base Fiesta and slowly build it into a rally car. I just need experience for now.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:12

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PSI's is gunmetal, the one I've seen driving around is white.

CAcoalminer > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 10/20/2014 at 21:13

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Interesting. What color would you get yours in?

Dsscats > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:13

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Not a clue. They only made about 200 IIRC. Including some in midnight purple....

CAcoalminer > Dsscats 10/20/2014 at 21:13

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Interesting.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:15

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either blue or gunmetal. gunmetal would fit the theme I have of silver based colors for cars.

CAcoalminer > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 10/20/2014 at 21:16

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So similar to this color?

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:18

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yeah thats the color. I had a pic of the PSI one but cant seem to track it down.

CAcoalminer > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 10/20/2014 at 21:21

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Well if you do, I'd love to see it.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 21:26

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still along ways out, like 2024 at the minimum for the R34, just shy of a decade now. By that time frame this would probably be the car I'd be leaving in at my wedding lol.

CAcoalminer > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 10/20/2014 at 21:35

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Oh. I mean the picture of the PSI one.

It's always good to have goals.

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 22:14

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Sounds like a great plan. I always enjoy reading about your adventures with the Fiesta.

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 22:15

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Thanks, that means a lot!

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/20/2014 at 22:19

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You're welcome.

B_dol > CAcoalminer 10/20/2014 at 22:51

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Not these again. Seriously, I need to have one in my life. It doesn't help that my automotive passion went from innocent to full on obsession the years during the initial Fast & Furious movies. I hope one day to have an example of Nissans gift to car junkies.

CAcoalminer > B_dol 10/20/2014 at 23:48

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What color would you have it in?

B_dol > CAcoalminer 10/21/2014 at 00:02

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I'm going to have to go against the grain here and say 'Midnight Purple'.

However by the time I can afford and will be looking for a 2nd car (~1.5-2 yrs) the R34 will still be a pipedream... Nissan did offer it on the R35 as well, which might just be my next purchase (if I can shake the 911 dream)

CAcoalminer > B_dol 10/21/2014 at 00:10

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I think that's a really nice color. Which 911 are you looking at?

B_dol > CAcoalminer 10/21/2014 at 00:16

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When I got into cars in my teens, my sight was set on a 911 Carrera S. In recent years, I reckon the Cayman GTS is the proper drivers car to own, and also a fair chunk of change cheaper.

I'll have to see how the next 18-24 months of saving pans out, lucky for me the FR-S is a treat to enjoy right now. Its times like these I need to reflect on how a 25 year old shouldn't be gunning for his first high end sports car...

CAcoalminer > B_dol 10/21/2014 at 00:22

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I think either would be an excellent choice.

Well, I sincerely hope that everything works out for you. Also, I think it's great that you are setting goals at such a young age. I did the same thing when I was younger.

B_dol > CAcoalminer 10/21/2014 at 00:29

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I appreciate the kind words. It helps to have a like minded significant other and future wife willing to split half the cost, just not sure I'll be able to hand her the keys!

Does Ms. CAcoalminer take the GTs for a spin ever?

CAcoalminer > B_dol 10/21/2014 at 00:40

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It does indeed. If she's anything like my better half, then she usually gets her way. Haha.

She does from time to time but actually prefers the 12C to them. However, if given the choice of all of our vehicles, she would definitely take our Range Rover or her Model S over any of them. In fact, the only sportscar that she really wants is her old E-Type convertible that she had when we were first married.

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 01:40

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Can you guess what I got to play with today?

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/22/2014 at 08:08

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RRRGGGGHHHH I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE TOO, BUT CAN'T GUESS IT

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 11:17

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Does this help?

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/22/2014 at 11:31

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*faints*

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 11:41

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Do you want to see photos?

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/22/2014 at 11:41

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YES PLS

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 11:44

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Here it is when I picked it up from the dealership:

No, it isn't mine.

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/22/2014 at 11:46

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Such a subtle color combo. Astonishly beautiful.

So....how was it?!?

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 12:03

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It is. However, I still view the 458 as an odd looking catfish.

Amazing to say the least. It probably has the quickest steering that I've ever encountered and its engine feels like its inertia less. As far as road manners, it can get a bit noisy in the cabin as there isn't very much sound deadening but that does contribute to more of the exhaust filtering into the cabin. In addition, it rides surprisingly well and the interior seems much nicer than its Scuderia predecessor. In short, I intended to only spend about an hour with it and then drop it off at its owner's home but ended up keeping it all day and putting over 120 miles on it. Needless to say, I may have liked it a bit.

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/22/2014 at 12:04

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Haha! Seems like you love it. I'm sure it's one of the best cars on sale right now. Hopefully you'll get to spend more time with it!

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 14:40

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The owner and I have already discussed doing a track day very soon.

Brian Silvestro > CAcoalminer 10/22/2014 at 15:01

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Well that sounds extremely exciting. Have fun!

CAcoalminer > Brian Silvestro 10/22/2014 at 15:05

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Thank you. I'm sure I will.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 18:39

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120 miles - awesome!!!

What a nice day with a new car!

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 18:48

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I know. I had been discussing the Speciale and 991 GT3 with the owner, Steve, on Sunday and on Tuesday, he called me to say that his new Speciale had been delivered and was wondering if I wanted to try it out. I initially refused stating that he needed to enjoy his new car first and then I would consider taking it for a drive but he insisted since he would be busy all week and didn't trust the dealership to deliver it to his house for him. Needless to say, I couldn't refuse.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:02

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That sounded like a win win for all!

was the steering almost too fast?

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:06

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Indeed.

For the street, yes.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:14

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Have you driven the 991 GT3 as well?

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:17

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Not yet but I have a good relationship with my local Porsche dealership so whenever they get one in on a trade-in, they said they would let me have it for the weekend.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:19

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ahhhh yes!!!

That would be awesome

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:20

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I know. I'm definitely looking forward to it.

How has your F430 been doing?

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:36

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I'm hoping that it will be in this color:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/sapphire-blue-…

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:37

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good. I don't drive it much. I haven't had time to figure out how to get it registered in CA.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:38

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that is PERFECT!!!

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:40

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I know.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:41

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Oh. Is it a difficult process?

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:42

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If they have that car in that color I bet you will end up buying it

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 19:43

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I went to the DMV and they said I didn't have the right paperwork. Waiting for stuff to come to me in the mail before I start making calls

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:44

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It all depends on the test drive. I could potentially buy it and then order a GT3 RS in the same color and just trade that one in when the RS comes.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 19:45

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Geez. Sorry to hear that.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 20:29

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I support this plan!!!

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 20:30

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no worries. My fault for being disorganized right now

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 20:32

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Well I hope you get everything figured out fairly soon so that your beauty can be back on the road.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/25/2014 at 23:20

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thanks. I'll try to get it sorted out this week

If I had money for another mid engine car I would buy this in a heartbeat:

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

I love it. It's perfect. The color and options are exactly how I would have ordered it. It's got low miles and is a good price for the specs and options.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/25/2014 at 23:47

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Wow. I agree with you, very well optioned.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/26/2014 at 12:20

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I'm in love. Maybe I should sell everything but the red car for this blue car. Then later add a Ford GT and have a garage that's 100% mid engine cars :)

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/26/2014 at 12:32

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Sounds like a plan.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/26/2014 at 13:39

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the only tough part about it is that I will never be able to buy the GT at the bottom of its depreciation curve. Too late for that... I would need to start making more money to spend over $200K on one.

The R8 could be a really good buy in a couple years. If everyone loves the new model and it drives down the price of a low mileage V10 Manuél coupe under $100K the prices will probably stabilize at that point. I don't see the Manuél ones ever getting super cheap since both Audi and Lambo discontinued the gated shifter.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/26/2014 at 14:01

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True.

I think you over estimate the V10 manual. Yes, it's the last Audi sportscar to have a manual transmission, but that's really the only thing that sets it apart. When you look at modern cars that are going up in value, they usually have more than one desirable feature. Take the GT3 RS 4.0 and Ford GT. The 4.0 is limited production, the last Porsche to use the Metzger engine, and the last GT3 to have a manual transmission. The Ford GT has relatively low production numbers, can never be reproduced because of pedestrian crash standards, has a manual transmission, and is based on an automotive icon. While I do think cars with manual transmissions will command a premium over their automated siblings, I really don't see them being quite valuable if that's the only distinguishing factor.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/26/2014 at 14:18

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I agree with evertthing you said. I didn't explain myself well. I didn't mean to infer that the R8 V10 Manuél will go up in value one day like the Ford GT or GT3 RS 4.0 did. For that to happen the car does need to be special and rare.

I meant that it could at least hold its value once the value bottoms out. Which is better than nothing. Most cars will eventually depreciate until they're worth next to nothing. If a sports car can at least retain some value then you don't lose as much if you later have to sell. Better situation than my M3s - all they do is lose value because neither is manual or special at all. Same would go for a common Mustang or Corvette. The R8 V10 Manuél is at least special and rare enough to retain some value once it bottoms out.

I wish there had been a Manuél version of the R8 GT...

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/26/2014 at 14:35

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Ah I understand.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/26/2014 at 14:40

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I also begrudgingly put my 997 on that list. Maybe if it was at least a C2S then it would have a shot of making up some of the depreciation in 20 years. But I doubt that will happen. The base 997 is not a very special car. The 1980s 911s are going up in value but there was no Carrera S back then. The base Carrera will probably be seen as a dog in 20 years.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/26/2014 at 14:57

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I wouldn't refer to it as a "dog" but yes it will lose value. However, the vast majority of cars do, even the high end ones. Also, why have you become so fixated on how much a car may be worth in the future? I'm convinced that you should buy the car that you enjoy most, not the one that could potentially make you money. Take me for instance, I currently own a Model S, Range Rover Autobiography, 12c, and 2 GTs. Now, of those, I could probably only make money on the 2 GTs and technically just only the black one because I have invested over $150,000 into the blue one. But do you think I care? No, because I bought them because I liked them or they provide a utility to me. I'm not trying to tell you what to do but I don't want you to live your life constantly thinking about how much your cars are depreciating. Instead, think how much joy they have brought to your life. I mean how many people get to enjoy a manual F430 whenever they want?

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/26/2014 at 16:49

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I think about values too much because I spend such a high percentage of my disposable income on cars. And because I can't count on my business doing well (or even being around) forever. Being a bit smarter about what I buy can help reduce how much I spend on cars. But you're right I should enjoy them. I just concluded a nice country drive in the spider. It made me so glad I got the cabrio. It was awesome to hear the engine noise bouncing off the walls when I found a stretch of road with hills on one side.

As far as the Carrera being a dog I know that's a bit harsh. I'm just a bit frustrated with Porsche's pricing strategies. In the old days the base 911 was a solid performance car compared to the competition. Then if you wanted to go nuts you got a Turbo or a special edition such as the 2.7 RS or the RS America. When Porsche started selling the 993 Carrera S it was the faster car but the base Carrera was still good. Then with every generation since then the gap between the Carrera and Carrera S grew. Now this would be fine if the price of the base Carrera was reasonable, but IMO it's not for what you get. The gap between the 997.2 C2 and C2S was pretty large. In retrospect I wish I had just spent the extra money on the C2S at that time. Now with the 991 generation the gap between the two cars is like the Grand Canyon. I've driven the 991 C2 and C2S hard and there is no comparison. Given how much Porsche is charging for the cars and the options the C2S should cost what the C2 costs. But as long as people keep buying them Porsche will keep pricing the cars like this. Hopefully C7, F Type and AMG GT sales cut into 911 sales and force Porsche to lower their prices or give people more options as standard features.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/26/2014 at 17:47

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To avoid sounding like I'm preaching, I'll just say that I'm glad you have a plan. I'm sorry if I upset you.

I can understand this. However, there is a reason Porsche has some of the highest margins of any car manufacturer.

I hope the cars you mentioned are successful so that they put pressure on Porsche to offer more in their cars.

Manuél Ferrari > CAcoalminer 10/26/2014 at 17:54

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Not upset at all! I actually hope that I can get to the point where I don't worry about depreciation too much and just drive the F car more. I know you can't take money with you when you die so the whole point of having nice stuff is to enjoy it. I just need to get to that point mentally. Right now I still think about how the mileage affects the value of my cars. I'm most comfortable putting a ton of miles on the 997 because I've already designated it as the one car I don't care about values on and the E46 M3 because I bought it cheap and can only lose so much on it when I sell it. I could literally put another 40K miles on that car and only lose about $10K if I sold it at that point. There is no better value than a sports car that you buy for $25K with under 35K miles on it!

I think this is the first time in decades when the competition could put some real pressure on Porsche. I didn't cross shop the C6 against the 997 when I was test driving cars. But I definitely would have cross shopped the C7 had it been out back then. And the AMG GT is pretty damn sexy, as is the F Type.

CAcoalminer > Manuél Ferrari 10/26/2014 at 18:10

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I'm glad to hear that you are conscious of how you are spending your money.

I agree. We'll just have to see how everything works out.