Top Three Cars to Obliterate a 2015 Camaro Z/28 at half the price. Enter the CL 600, AMG 63 and 65

"maristgrad" (maristgrad) 10/16/2014 at 19:32 • Filed to: None

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For almost half the price of a 2015 Camaro Z/28 I have three cars that compete with it on almost every level and even blows it out of the water when it comes to technology and luxury. The first is a clean title single owner car with 518 BHP, 465 lb-ft of torque 62k miles of pure sex. Fully loaded with night-vision forward facing camera. Adrenaline rush? Check. For more info on this particular model visit !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

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You can however step it up another level and pay even less to get into a 2007 CL 600.

These specs aren't fair at $36k

$35,995

Engine Type 5.5L Gas V12
Horsepower 510 @ 5000 rpm
Torque (lb-ft) 612 @ 1800 - 3500 rpm
4-level massage
Active ventilated front seats w/heating feature
Adjustable LED ambient lighting
Alcantara headliner!!!!!!!
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But for ultimate value versus the new Camero z/28 check out this one owner 2008 CL65 AMG Designo Edition.. I imagine heavenly music playing when you enter the cabin. AAHhhhhhhhh

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What do you say? What would you prefer on and off the track vs a brand spanking new Camaro z/28 for under 50K? I mean is there anything that really balances both performance and luxury in the way a 2007 + CL class Mercedes does at a better value? I would think you'd be pressed to find a better value, but enlighten me from my ignorant German love affair. What would you prefer?

For reference, check out the Camaro's specs and watch it tear it up with Car and Driver

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Z/28

Light, fast and nimble, the 2015 Camaro Z/28 carries the racing credentials of the original 1967 Z/28.

7.0L LS7 engine produces 505 horsepower and 481 lb.-ft. of torque

TREMEC® TR6060 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission

High-performance Torsen helical limited-slip differential

Advanced aerodynamic package delivers incredible downforce while cooling critical components

Multimatic DSSV dampers

Dry sump oiling system

Standard track-designed integrated cooling system that includes liquid-to-liquid cooling systems for oil, transmission and differential

19" aluminum wheels with high-performance Pirelli® Trofeo™ summer-only 1 3 Do not use summer-only tires in winter conditions, as it would adversely affect vehicle safety, performance and durability. Use only GM-approved tire and wheel combinations. Unapproved combinations may change the vehicle's performance characteristics. For important tire and wheel information, go to gmaccessorieszone.com or see your dealer." style="text-decoration: underline; font-family: inherit; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); background: transparent;">tires†

Brembo® carbon-ceramic brakes

Performance Traction Management

For Sweden > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:33

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I'm not convinced these would obliterate a Z/28

CB > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:36

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On a track, I'd take the Z/28, because it's designed to be there, whereas the Mercedes' are more for touring and less for racing. They're not designed for the same thing at all, I feel.

Sweet Trav > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:36

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7:37.47.

That's the time to beat.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:37

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God this article screams Tavarish but is a good read nonetheless.

T5Killer > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:38

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"For almost half the price of a 2015 Camaro Z/28 I have three cars competes with it on almost every level and blows it out of the water when it comes to technology and luxury ."

If you are looking for Luxury wouldn't the Z/28 be the last car to be looking at?

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:41

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u wot m8?

ly2v8-Brian > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:44

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Nice cars but noooooooope.

maristgrad > T5Killer 10/16/2014 at 19:49

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Yea they're at opposite ends of the 2 door sports car spectrum but my criteria was to look at all cars with similar power, length and weight for half the price

DoYouEvenShift > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 19:53

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Warranty? Because your gonna need it too.

maristgrad > For Sweden 10/16/2014 at 19:56

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Not even a CL65? Steering is a little wonky so I'd be scared to push it on a track but I''m sure between two pro drivers it'd be a close race

maristgrad > DoYouEvenShift 10/16/2014 at 20:03

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Yea there's the trade off between buying from a person vs a dealer. You can easily buy a warranty from a dealer and pay more or you can buy it from a private party and pay much less. Private sellers are more likely to negotiate a lower selling price when you show up with cash. I would preferably pay a Mercedes tech for a couple hours of time to go over the car first, or try to get the seller to pay for a 100 point inspection from a qualified Mercedes shop/dealer so you know what you're dealing with before dropping over 30K on any used Mercedes.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 20:04

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I'll take my reliable track monster over three unreliable German luxury tourers that have no place at a track.

maristgrad > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/16/2014 at 20:12

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I think the AMG 65 vs the Camaro with two pro drivers would have a close race on the track. Also these cars are lower mileage dealer cars you can get with a warranty. But you're right about the Mercedes in this sense, they look much better with the valet then being pushed on a track. They're scary as hell to drive on a track

dirthoon > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 20:54

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The Z/28 is faster than a GTR (as tested by Motortrend) and the last gen GT3 according to ring times. More than likely the Z/28 would kill it the first lap, and as time went on the brakes and heft of the Mercedes would make it slower and slower. That being said all these mercs are sick rides.

jjdasfjdasjf > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 21:36

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Honestly, I think your underestimating the performance of the Z28. Around a track, those CLs got no chance. I love the idea of buying old unreliable AMGs that have been hit by a large dose of depreciation more than anyone I know.. Realy, I spend most of my time looking at very fast, cheap, and unreliable cars, but, something more track oriented is needed for this challenge. I'd think some better choices for keeping up with a Z28 for around the same money as the CLs would be a C6 ZR1, or a Cayman+Turbo Kit. Perhaps even a 20K used BRZ +15K spent on turbo+mods.

cluelessk > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 22:01

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No. The Z/28 beats the GTR on a track.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 22:38

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I would go with the63 because they're actually quite reliable and easy to work on.

That being said I think a z28 would win around a track, but maybe not on a strip. These are big heavy cars and not really corner carvers. I would sooner pit a c63 against z28, those can be had with CPO for about the same money as a CL. This is all conjecture mind you, I don't stay on top of numbers and have never driven a newer camaro.

BrianNutter > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 22:56

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What is this world coming to. GM management (and Mark Stielow) rejoice. People are (for the first time) comparing used premium marques against you in speed per dollar arguments (And still losing). Five years ago kids were comparing a Dsm with $5k in mods to a c6 z06.

BrianNutter > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 10/16/2014 at 23:01

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german cars dont go around corners. :)

DanZman > maristgrad 10/16/2014 at 23:03

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C6 z06, better in every way for way less money

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > BrianNutter 10/16/2014 at 23:17

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CLK Black Series and M3 say "wut?"

I just meant that the CL's are big and heavy, seeing as how they are a 2 door S-class (hmm... coupe?).

BrianNutter > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 10/16/2014 at 23:24

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yes, just not as good as z28. :). But seriously I hope they find their way back with the M2. It's a close race to be sure.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > BrianNutter 10/16/2014 at 23:33

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Yeah. I have a problem with the z28 though. Tires that big are just lazy engineering. The only thing they will be good for is the track. They will ride like shit as they get older and follow ruts too much and wear like crap really fast and each one will cost more than the car's monthly payment. Stupid. Oh, and put more strain on the whole steering and suspension system thus causing parts to have a shorter life span. It's a bandage on a bullet hole. If they would do surgery and fix the suspension properly they wouldn't need to have tires that are 40mm wider than everyone else to compete.

BrianNutter > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 10/17/2014 at 00:08

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Suspension geometry is fine and obviously better than Gtr. Most hpde guys run squared tires to reduce cost. Dss shocks only on one orher production car. aston 177 Coolers on trans diff etc, more than anything outside Porsche Cup car. No heat soaked intercoolers. Carbon brakes. Beefed up bearings and rear end per Mark Stielow orders. No wing Amg is nice but not up to repeated 20 minute hpde track sessions let alone Nurburgriing times as evidenced by their trepidation to post.

BrianNutter > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 10/17/2014 at 00:22

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hey any vhance u are close to Cleveland? U need to come over for a beer weekend.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > BrianNutter 10/17/2014 at 01:33

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Don't even get me started on the gtr.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > BrianNutter 10/17/2014 at 01:34

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Kind of, it's only about 2000 miles east of me.

Too many M's > maristgrad 10/17/2014 at 03:04

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In terms of Autobahn storming (or cruising in the US) these are excellent choices. Against a Z/28 in its native land (on a track) I don't think it would be quite the same. Lazy automatics with gobs of tire-smoking torque would be awesome but for laptimes the Z/28 would take it.

Dsscats > maristgrad 10/19/2014 at 01:09

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Absolutely missed the point of the Z/28 though. The point of that is TRACK times, not just straight lines. This hits the straight line part, but misses where the Z/28 is built to perform.

TDogg > maristgrad 10/19/2014 at 06:35

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700+ torque at 2k rpms?? Is that physically possible?

4play > maristgrad 10/20/2014 at 13:07

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Not even close.

The SL65 AMG Black Series does a 7:51 lap. The Z/28 is 14 seconds faster. The SL65 has larger, better brakes, more power, less weight, wider, stickier tires, and better aero than the CL65 AMG.

On a track, a CL (regardless of what number follows) would get walloped by a Z/28. This article is silly. You're comparing used, 7 year old German luxury barge coupes with a brand new focused track weapon.

Starburst Prime > maristgrad 10/20/2014 at 22:32

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But for ultimate value versus the new Camero z/28 check out this one owner 2008 CL65 AMG Designo Edition...

Wats an Camero?