Attention Oppo (NSFW language, whatever)

"yamahog" (yamahog) 10/02/2014 at 17:15 • Filed to: flouncerant

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This is a callout. To all of you.

Because you pride yourselves on being a place where everyone is welcome, except that's flat-out untrue. I have little desire to interact here anymore, and before a single one of you dares say JUST SUCK IT UP, no. Fuck it. I don't have to put up with this shit. Not in real life, where I certainly don't put up with anyone's nonsense, not here. I didn't become the badass I'm constantly told I am by letting pieces of shit get away with walking all over me time and time again with no consequences. Strangely enough, this does not happen to me in real life. Just from dickwads hiding behind keyboards. It's fucking pathetic and I'm not amused. There are Jeep forums where I participate with the type of people who have animated smileys and Tea Party quotes in their signatures with less strife than Oppo! I'm an engineer, I fucking hang with mechanics all day at the plant no problem! Apparently I command more respect in person than I do online. Wonder why that might be. You wanna talk cars, talk cars, we're all cool. Fuck, I can even talk aerospace, defense, football, hockey, MMA, motorcycles, beer, bourbon, dogs, cats, hedgehogs, hunting, play some "we're all going to hell for this" CAH, etc. But don't fucking bring some half-assed MRA whining in here expecting an echo chamber and then whine and devolve into personal attacks when you don't get it despite how many people tell you all the many ways in which you're fucking wrong . Do I post feminist shit here? No, it's a fucking car blog! I post about my Jeep, my bike, etc. God forbid I reply to call out some backward-ass stuff and suddenly I'm the devil. Why you even think a car blog should be inherently interested in anti-feminist opinions shows your bias right there. You even have a dedicated subblog for non-car OT stuff with their own rules now (shoutout to CL, hayyyyy), but still think your special snowflake OT post belongs on Oppo for whatever reason! Am I a hypocrite for posting this on Oppo? No, because it's fucking addressed directly to you and I'm not a passive aggressive whiner who whines elsewhere when the problem is here.

But Yamahog, I don't do that stuff! Congrats! Seriously, most of you are cool! But have you also been sitting by complicit while this shit goes on, still blindly believing "everyone is welcome here!" Sure, women are totally welcome* here! *As long as we sit down and shut the fuck up whenever someone mansplains to us what they think feminists actually believe and don't ever object to anything. I've offered countless times to calmly discuss anything people had a hard time grasping, because hey, it's hard to undo years of social conditioning, but I'm done with that. Here, let's shut this shit down right the fuck now.

BUT THE FEMINISTS WANT TO MAKE MEN LOOK STUPID IN COMMERCIALS. Um, what? Are you for real? That's your biggest issue? Come the fuck on. Look up "systemic oppression." Anyway, EVERYONE hates that shit. If men are too stupid to perform basic household tasks, it reinforces that women have to clean up after men. Lose-Lose. Next.

BUT THE FEMINISTS WANT WOMEN TO BE BETTER THAN MEN. If you seriously believe equality is a zero sum game, just GTFO. I don't have the shreds of patience necessary. If you believe your privileged status as a man is so fragile that being equal to a woman would be seriously damaging, that's just sad. Do you not know what equality means?

BUT THE FEMINISTS WANT EASIER PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR WOMEN SOLDIERS. No, no, no, HELL no. Once again, do you not know what equality means?

Is it so fucking hard to just treat your fellow humans like humans?

Oh, and before someone even takes that route, I'm tired of hearing over and over that having feelings makes you weak. No, it makes you fucking human. Not to mention it's one of the most common misogynist arguments in the book (hurrr durr stupid wimmenz being too emotional), it's used against even the most poised women (look at Wendy Davis' shitheel opponents, hell, basically every female politician or CEO's detractors use this), and oh yea, in case any of you care, it hurts men too! Look at the responses to the recent posts by Denver and NotInDetroit! They came here to vent valid frustrations about serious shit in their lives and got shat on because apparently men aren't allowed to have strong emotions about serious shit because that makes them women and that's a bad thing? Fuck off. And yea, I swear. I'm a fucking New Yorker. Tone police someone else. Don't step on my foot and expect me to meekly and humbly request you stop.

You want this to actually be a community where people feel welcome? Time to cowboy up and enforce your fucking rules. Stop tolerating constant trolling and personal attacks against the men and women who take the time out of their day to give their well-thought-out dissenting opinions to whatever absolutely not-car-related dogwhistle sexism springs up on a near nightly basis. And if you so much as think "BUT MUH FREE SPEECH," stop being ignorant for half a damn second and realize no one is going to jail over their opinions.

I'll be at the gym for the next few hours beating up grown men and like one or two women because that's what I do for fun (OMG MISANDRYYYY), but don't worry, if you have a shitheel comment, I won't give you the time of day. Hell, maybe I'll even dismiss it, because not only is that specifically what mods have told me to do in the past (that'll fix all our problems!), but because it's just so darn cute when you whine away in the grays. I'm over it. I have better things to do with my time, like actually fucking working on my Jeep and going wheeling and enjoying the rest of the motorcycle season. Yes, this is a flounce threat, and no, I don't care if you think that means the other people win.

TL;DR: It's just no longer worth trying to make a space for myself at a table where I'm clearly not wanted or respected, and there are way better Jeep/sportbike communities out there. So either get your collective shit together, or so long to everyone who was cool, and fuck off to everyone who wasn't.

Brian Silvestro > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:19

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pls dont leave

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:20

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Hey Yamahog? Did I miss something? Where is this happening? Got a link?

PatBateman > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:23

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Okay, now I have to go back through posts to see what you're talking about. But seriously, don't go. We like you!!!

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:23

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I don't think I did anything wrong but you just put the fear of God in me.

Kailand09 > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:25

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So... um.. not trying to be insensitive, but when the hell did any of this shit happen? Do I just auto-skim past posts that tend to piss people off?

Honest, can you please give me an example of what this is referring to? I'm not doubting anything, I just am apparently oblivious to anything pertaining to sexism.

Sweet Trav > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:25

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You do what you feel you have to do Yamahog.

Just know the Oppo we love will be worse off without you as a community participant.

Xyl0c41n3 > PatBateman 10/02/2014 at 17:25

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You won't have to look far.

Sweet Trav > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 10/02/2014 at 17:26

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http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/not-my-usual-t…

505Turbeaux > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:26

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wait what happened here Yamahog? I have to say I would be sad to not have you around here any more. Fuck people's attitudes. I hope you can come to a place in your head where you can be happy with this place again. If all the good people leave what will we be left with?

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:27

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Also You are awesome and please don't go. We don't have many women or motorcycle people and with out those two groups Oppo will become more dull. Truth is we need more women here not less.

HammerheadFistpunch > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:28

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Yamahog if you would like to table a discussion with the moderation team on anything we can do better or address specific complaints please email us @ oppomoderator@gmail.com. We want to do, and try to do, the things you are addressing here but we know we can do more.

jariten1781 > Kailand09 10/02/2014 at 17:28

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Whenever these threads pop up I always have no idea what's going on due to auto-filtering of stupid stuff. You're not alone.

Jonathan Harper > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:29

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Huh? I've not seen any of the nonsense you wrote about. Links?

crowmolly > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:29

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I, for one, hope you reconsider.

I get that we can post about just about anything on here but political posting (umbrella term including race/gender/sexual orientation) and religious posting never seem to go over too well.

Anonymity coupled with immaturity and keyboard toughness with a sprinkle of poor attempts at humor make for a hell of a shit sundae.

The Jez baiting is getting old.

Eli's Got 2 > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:29

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I... What is going on? I've always felt welcome here, despite knowing very little about cars. I have a lot of fun on Oppo.

Why all the Feminist talk? I don't understand, and I am saying this as a woman.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:30

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I don't scroll through Oppositelock as much as I used to anymore, but now I got to find out what the hell has happened.

Kailand09 > jariten1781 10/02/2014 at 17:31

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Yeah, I've seen a bunch throughout the years. I apparently miss EVERYTHING. haha

Glad I'm not the only one.

PatBateman > Xyl0c41n3 10/02/2014 at 17:31

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Already found it. :(

Let me clarify that CL isn't for misogyny or sexism. It's for open conversation and more of an outlet for rants that don't belong on Oppo. I enjoy posting comments on GT just as much as Oppo, and I'd like to think that CL can have an equally diverse authorship as GT has.

But still, :(

Coty > jariten1781 10/02/2014 at 17:32

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Me makes 3.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:33

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It seems to be a consequence of the new sharing system as well as the popular stories rotating bar. Before these you would have to actively look for these subjects if you wanted to read them, now they are right in our faces for a lot of them time. This opens the door to people that either are uneducated on topics or lack the first hard experience to properly comment on them. But at the same time, if you (read: a man) and those you know dont experience these issues that are discussed and then read some of the articles out of places like Jez it can easily create a false victim complex. Which leads to the exact things that you are unhappy about.

TL;DR: Plz stay. Plz keep Oppo cars (and bikes)

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > Kailand09 10/02/2014 at 17:35

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Same here when shit hits the fan I always miss it and everything seems peachy to me but everyone else is raged or something.

Xyl0c41n3 > PatBateman 10/02/2014 at 17:35

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You mean it's a place where it's ok to call people harpies? By the same person who tried to use an instance of me crying after someone suggested the genocide of people like me as an example of hysterical feminine weakness? Real diverse place you've got there, Pat.

DasWauto > Eli's Got 2 10/02/2014 at 17:36

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My advice: don't seek it out. Ignorance in this case is truly bliss.

CAR_IS_MI > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:37

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You can still come hang out with us over on overland... We like Jeeps and motorcycles of sorts and such. And Ill just delete anything thats not where its supposed to be...

jkm7680 > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:37

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Yamahog, that was actually pretty well written and I definitely understand what you are saying.

I personally like what you contribute here, I don't judge people ever for whatever reason there may be. Please stay here, you always have a reserved seat on the OPPO train.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Sweet Trav 10/02/2014 at 17:37

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Ahhhh..... I tend to steer clear of this stuff and stick with the fart/dick jokes. But on a more serious note, don't leave us Yamahog, $kaycog will be lonely and there will be one less of us two-wheeles good types on here.Let me express my feelings in song.

PatBateman > Xyl0c41n3 10/02/2014 at 17:38

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Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "harpie"? No sarcasm, I promise.

PatBateman > Xyl0c41n3 10/02/2014 at 17:40

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And I'll also say that I haven't followed the discussion you're referring to. It sounds obviously out-of-line and beyond ignorant (understatement).

Eli's Got 2 > DasWauto 10/02/2014 at 17:40

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Thanks. I just saw it. I have no further comment.

Xyl0c41n3 > PatBateman 10/02/2014 at 17:41

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A shrill woman. Here's the wiki, relevant portion in a screen shot below.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy

Trunk Impaired 318 > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:42

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I regret that I have but one star to give to you. This needs to be read by everyone. Ive basically become just a lurker because of this issue.

Gamecat235 > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:42

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I'm sorry. I could state more and make excuses. But I won't.

I'm sorry for what you have outlined and so much more that I don't have the time to detail.

Jayhawk Jake > Kailand09 10/02/2014 at 17:44

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Same. I generally know what rants are about but I also ignore dumb posts.

No offense to yamahog, and not to call her out because her frustrations are probably valid, but I typically hate posts like this because all they do is stir even more shit because people that just avoid drama suddenly have it thrown in their face.

Why can't we just keep posting about cars and shit?

PatBateman > Xyl0c41n3 10/02/2014 at 17:44

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Ah. AAAAAHHHH.... Ooooookay, I see what you're talking about now.

Sweet Trav > Trunk Impaired 318 10/02/2014 at 17:48

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^this is the comment that everyone needs to read.

Yamahog has apparently had enough, but she's one outspoken person and will not go quietly into that good night.

But people who are afraid or feel that they would persecuted from commenting and participating is the saddest part about all of this. Oppo needs more diverse and more people to keep the community strong, the fact that we are a place that you feel you need to be "just a lurker" is extremely troubling to me.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Kailand09 10/02/2014 at 17:51

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Offtopic threads are generally worthless to read.

Kailand09 > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 10/02/2014 at 17:52

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Yes. Very clearly, what started off as a simple opinion (no matter how right or wrong) devolved into a name-calling argument where everyone is wrong, just like every off-topic.

Guess I did well to dodge that whole thing.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:52

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Yama, if I'm ever in Detroit (which I may at some point to see my family I'm Farmington and KRoll). Could we hang out? You seem like an awesome person

EL_ULY > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:53

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NOOOOOOOOOOO! :'(

wait..... preach! I see your point. F all that noise. You know what you are doing buddy, I know you do. More power to you yamahog, you are a rockstar!

Tapas > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:54

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Disclaimer: Comment irrelevant to subject of post.

Kudos on the name. I chuckled at "Yamahog is bifurious" :) Also, I like Bourbon.

Xyl0c41n3 > PatBateman 10/02/2014 at 17:54

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Please do read through both threads directed at us two "harpies." I believe they're both still available in their entirety.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 17:54

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I see a lot of the people I follow and like in this thread defending/imploring you to stay, and I know that some of the same people who have gotten you to the point where you write this are the same ones that I feel contribute little of worth to our community... long story short: please don't go, but I also totally understand what pisses you off about the same old shit every fucking time.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Xyl0c41n3 10/02/2014 at 17:55

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he saying it's a place to have conversations with no holds barred. On any topic of any category. I have authorship for the non-offensive topics. I think it's important to have a place on Kinja to have honest conversations with no fear of moderator interference. While I won't agree with every conversation on there (In fact most) there are some that make it worthwhile to have authorship

Trunk Impaired 318 > Sweet Trav 10/02/2014 at 17:59

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I mean Im still active but for the most part I'll keep my opinions to myself and will only comment where I know it'll be constructive or appreciated.

Jayhawk Jake > PatBateman 10/02/2014 at 18:00

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Not to be that guy, but want to share a link for the oblivious? Because I have no idea what's going on but I'm curious

Kailand09 > Jonathan Harper 10/02/2014 at 18:00

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Links are up above in another post in this thread.

JEM > Kailand09 10/02/2014 at 18:02

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I have no idea what she's referencing either, and I know we've interacted on posting a number of times. I wonder if I've been oblivious as well? Admittedly, my first rule of reading the internet is if I see something I don't like to shake my head and ignore it.

thebigbossyboss > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 18:03

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Your username is oddly appropriate right now.

"So long to everyone who was cool and fuck off to everyone who wasn't"

I like that line. It sounds like rick from trailer park boys.

Kailand09 > JEM 10/02/2014 at 18:03

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Yeah, someone else linked something. I guess one of those threads got pretty heated.

JEM > Brian Silvestro 10/02/2014 at 18:07

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seconded!

Sweet Trav > Jayhawk Jake 10/02/2014 at 18:09

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http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/not-my-usual-t…

JEM > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 18:10

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I have no idea if something I said at one point of time has offended you, but if it did, I am truly sorry. I do tend to make off-color jokes so I could probably have easily done that and I apologize if I did.

As a fellow Jeep/bike owner, I would be sad to see this drive you away.

twochevrons > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 18:10

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Cannot star this enough. The people perpetrating that kind of behavior need to be called out, and I highly admire you for doing so. It's a damn shame that it's you that's going, not them, but I entirely understand your motivation to leave. We'll miss you.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 10/02/2014 at 18:18

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I want this link too. I haven't been around oppo much lately, but I can wee why someone could get pissed like this.

JGrabowMSt > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 18:21

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Yamahog ain't got time for no extra hedgehog shit around here.

In all seriousness, I wish we interacted more, but who knows, maybe I just need more hedgehogs.

Isn't that what the world needs more of? Hedgehogs?

Fuck rights for people, Hedgehogs rule the world.

If I really have to be serious though, I understand where you're coming from. But much like a totally unrelated issue that I was discussing with some people, no matter what decisions we make in life, we will never fail to piss someone off in the process.

Now, I'm not about to jump out of the wagon and say that oh, you have to stay or whatever else, you're free to make your decisions to do what you need to do for you. I'll certainly miss your presence here, but can't make any decision for you.

Everyone makes stupid mistakes, says stupid things, and well, makes mistakes. It's nothing new to say that there are mistakes that forgivable and mistakes that are not. As humans, I think that something very important for everyone to understand and then take away is that we need to learn from it. Will we? Not really. We can try. People can change, but it takes a long long time to do so. Gender equality is part of that. Is that the way it should be? No more or less so than any other sensitive topics out there today.

So with that, I'd like to pass along my apologies, not that it can change anything that has already been done, but because I'd like to acknowledge that we are all all responsible for how society acts, whether it's through our actions, or lack thereof.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 18:33

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Yamahog, I can't disagree with anything you've said above. Oppositelock is not the utopia we wish it was, and sub-blogs like CL don't help if it just consists of people from Oppo. I understand that you're fed up with the bullshit. I'm sure a lot of people are. But, if you go, that will be one less person who has the conviction to actually say something when they see something they disagree with. We, as a community, need you. We need people who will stand up for what they know is right instead of simply ignoring posts that we disagree with (like I do). You catch an unfortunate amount of flack. I'm sure many people will deny that, but it's true and I don't think you deserve 99%* of it.

This PSA of yours is important, and hopefully it will wake a lot of people up to the things we've been ignoring. I know it's woken me up, and I'm going to try to call people out on their questionable actions because of it. Should it have taken this long for me to feel the need to do that? Absolutely not. I, and everyone else here, should be doing that regardless. I'm not going to pretend I've been a shining star of the Opposite lock community, but I will try harder in hopes that people like you will stick around, and that our community will grow positively. I've seen a few people here that I recognize from GT in the last week or so, and it's been cool to see them around. My hope is that those with any interest in what we have to offer will continue to filter over and create a more heterogeneous environment here. The fact is, I know more female car enthusiasts in real life than I know on here. That's kind of fucked up considering the amount of people who have access to this site in comparison to the number of people I know. If one of our few female members is frustrated enough to leave, I can only imagine that most of them feel similarly and might follow suit. That won't make Oppo a better place for anyone.

If we lose you, I understand why, and I apologize for the fact that your experience here has been stressful. Oppositelock will be worse off without you.

*Everyone deserves a little flack now and then, thus that 1%.

twochevrons > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) 10/02/2014 at 18:37

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ALL THE STARS FOR YOU

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > Trunk Impaired 318 10/02/2014 at 18:59

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I don't want this to sound against you in any way, but that isn't constructive. I've been acting in the exact same way you have, and I think we should all take a lesson from Yamahog. If we have an opinion, especially one that points out something wrong with the way we act around here, we should all be speaking up. Yamahog is the most vocal when it comes to these subjects, and she catches all the flack for things that I, and others, have been thinking. That isn't fair to her.

I'm going to start calling people out on things that I am not okay with. I wish I had been doing that all along, but now's better than never.

(Also if that's not what you meant please tell me, but based on the context of this post that is what I took away from your comment)

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 19:01

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There's a big difference between tolerating and ignoring. I don't condone inflammatory commenting and posting, I just scroll right past them and pretend they're not there. Responding to the... undesirable... comments in any way, whether it's to agree or disagree with them, will only egg on the people making such comments. Taking an active approach like dismissing/deleting them won't work either. They'll just tell themselves that their comment was deleted because you didn't like it, and in the end it has the same effect as you trying to argue with them or calling them out on it.

The best option is to simply not acknowledge that they exist. Eventually, the scumbags will realize that they are not getting the intended reaction or attention and they'll stop. It might take a while for it to happen (because they're fucking neanderthals) but it will happen.

I call it the "Annoying Sibling" philosophy.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > twochevrons 10/02/2014 at 19:15

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But it bums me out that this deserves all the stars. This is how I think people, including myself, should be acting and that unfortunately isn't the case. I'm going to start acting the way I think I should (which is a ridiculous sounding sentence). Hopefully others will take Yamahog's post as inspiration as well, though I am already seeing some weird responses to this post that don't seem to be promising. I won't name names, but if you know why Yamahog's post was warranted than you likely already have a decent idea.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/02/2014 at 19:45

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There is a good point made here, but it relies on everyone ignoring the post. There are plenty of people on this website that share views that most of us would consider [race/sex/whatever]ist. If most of us ignore them, they will never stop talking amongst themselves and Oppositelock will, as Yamahog points out, never be a place that is truly accenting of everyone. The annoying sibling philosophy works well when there's one of them, but when you have more than that it doesn't work in your favor (Speaking from experience. Had one half-brother for a while. It worked. Now I have three half-siblings. It doesn't work).

yamahog > HammerheadFistpunch 10/02/2014 at 20:10

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I have. I've emailed (no response), I've abided by what I was told to do in comments, I've been reassured it won't happen again, yet somehow people seems to be immune to any consequences despite breaking rules (especially number one) over and over, and not just with me. So call me paranoid, but something's rotten here, and it's clear sides are being taken. Decide what company y'all wanna keep.

Gamecat235 > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 20:26

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I'm heading out to go see my son perform in a play. I have some thoughts and more than that, a general plan of action (without action, the whole thought thing is worthless to you or others). Time will see where this leads.

I truly am sorry. I feel as though this is, at least partially, on my shoulders. Have a good evening and thank you for putting this out there.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) 10/02/2014 at 20:28

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Bitch please I'm second oldest of six.

HammerheadFistpunch > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 20:38

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I think you misunderstand the moderators, we would like it gone as much as you. Ill go through the email again, I haven't had a chance to check it in a while

Dsscats > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 21:13

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On another note, I'd appreciate if the link to conflict got posted in the writing too, just for those of us who didn't keep up.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 21:14

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Stuff like what your talking about is turning this place into a shithole fast. People are really just becoming straight up rude and I've really thought about leaving a few times. I personally try to avoid confrontation and have dismissed a lot of comments as of late, but I seriously respect you for attacking the issue(s) head on.

I try my hardest to not stir shit up, but am probably guilty of it a few times. I know you've (rightfully) called me out a few times.

This should really be read by everyone. I wish I had more than one star to give.

I hope you do stay, but I totally understand if you don't.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 21:19

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PLEASE DON'T GO!!!!

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 21:21

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So... Does this mean you really don't like hedgehogs, but talk about them just to make us feel better?

1337HPMustang > Dsscats 10/02/2014 at 21:24

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http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/not-my-usual-t…

mostly Clay arguing with someone who has a degree in feminism. Quite an interesting read

HammerheadFistpunch > HammerheadFistpunch 10/02/2014 at 21:34

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i think the reason your email has gone unheard is because its not in the inbox. Oppomoderator@gmail.com

Nibby > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 21:35

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WE NEED YOU DON'T LEAVE

WHAT WILL I DO WITH ALL THESE YAMAHA PIANOS NOW

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/02/2014 at 21:37

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Ahaha. Oh good lord. That is too many. One and a half siblings is more than enough for me, thank you very much.

null > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 22:20

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I don't even go here but this is incredible. I love you.

yamahog > null 10/02/2014 at 22:23

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Thank you :)

area man > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 22:27

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I'm real sorry about the neanderthals, yamahog. I wish I had spoken up more in the past.

ptak appreciates old racecars > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 22:42

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That was bad ass and I agree wholeheartedly (for what it's worth).

CRider > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 22:49

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I'm glad you made this post, Yamahog. There is a problem on Oppo that the dismiss button can't fix,There is a vocal subset of narrow minded Opponauts that are ruining this place, and the majority are too kind to speak up about it, the exception being you and a few others. It seems the mods will only step in if somebody posts some NSFW without properly tagging and hiding it.

Sweet Trav > 1337HPMustang 10/02/2014 at 22:53

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My degree is in Public Law and Government.

StoneCold > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 23:17

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Well, you're going to be missed. Hopefully this place will be better when you come back, should you ever choose to.

mr_gofast > Eli's Got 2 10/02/2014 at 23:35

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some ppl cant get over the fact that a woman understands cars as well if not better then them and its gets them riled up inside. so they come here find someone to go off on and voila...we lose a respected author and personality over some dipshits inferiority complex.

thats it in a very small nutshell.

mr_gofast > yamahog 10/02/2014 at 23:43

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yamahog if you do decide you still want a little bit of oppo but not here there is still the Oppo group i maintain with Dsscats that has absolutely no inflammatory posters or posts...not tolerated whatsoever..

it has over 200 of the Oppo posters here in case you are interested.

Regardless bravo on your post, and god bless on your future endeavors :)..

themoreyouknow > HammerheadFistpunch 10/02/2014 at 23:52

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Ban clay and yamahog might come back. As long as you allow misogynistic posters like him you will run off all women

Eli's Got 2 > mr_gofast 10/03/2014 at 00:03

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I have very strong opinions about this comment, but I will keep them to myself. Sometimes it is just better that way.

mr_gofast > Eli's Got 2 10/03/2014 at 00:05

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i hope i didnt offend you..i didnt mean too..

Eli's Got 2 > mr_gofast 10/03/2014 at 00:17

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Oh, no worries. You did not. It's just not a conversation I wish to partake in. :D

SonorousSpeedJoe > yamahog 10/03/2014 at 00:35

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I agree with you - browsing Oppo has begun to lose its luster for me as of late because of exactly what you've described.

I'm sad to see you go; granted, I don't think that we've ever talked (I don't post much at all), but I think you're a cool person.

Mattbob > yamahog 10/03/2014 at 07:53

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Sorry about your experience. While I would say that you should stay because you are cool and contribute more around here than most, this is just an internet forum and you have better things to do with your life than deal with this shit. As a guy a guy I see this attitude a lot. There is a lot of insecurity in men these days. It's like they are trying to play social king of the hill, and don't realize that it isn't a hill, and they are just the angry kid pushing people away. ( I don't know if that metaphor really makes sense) Anyway, enjoy your Friday, and if you don't come back to oppo, I wish you the best.

mr_gofast > Eli's Got 2 10/03/2014 at 08:10

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of course :).

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > yamahog 10/03/2014 at 08:40

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Alas that I have but one star to give. Caution over the Faulker-esque remainder due to length and general lack of organization in the paragraph structure.

The dismiss button doesn't fix stupid, because of a simple observation. The signal to noise ratio is rapidly approaching 1. It is a far more common occurrence than it used to be, to see something that is just profoundly stupid, and have to deal with more obstinate objections than a store that deals in obstinate objections (or middle management, if you are in corporate America. Your choice).

You are spot on with regards to sexism, but really anything that isn't straight white male is apparently an acceptable target. I've had spats with an FP editor about getting him to justify why sexism and homophobia are not acceptable targets, but other things are acceptable targets.

My point is simple: If you want to hold the position that sexism and homophobia should not be accepted in polite discussion, then you should hold the complementary position that any type of "take individual's action, and apply it to a group of your choosing (i.e. BMW drivers can't park)" should also not be accepted in polite discussion.

Either this is a place for being civil towards everyone, or its an extension of CL. And there's a reason I don't ever go to CL.

I've tried to call indefensible and over the top shit out when I see it. I wish I could do more.

Is it so fucking hard to just treat your fellow humans like humans?

For certain parts of society in the world, yes. This is why women are treated in sickening manners in some parts of the world, and LGBT people are executed or jailed.

In no manner is it justified, but because it's hard to be civil, shit like that still exists in our world.

It's not defensible. It's flat out wrong.

I won't ever know what it's like to be a woman in American society, but I do know what it is like to be a gay man, living in the South, because I am one. My only difference is that because there isn't a big fucking neon sign that says "QUEER!" over my head, if no one bothers to ask about my life, society assumes that I'm "One Of Us" as opposed to "One Of Them". That is what is called "privilege".

If my boss doesn't like the fact that I'm gay, I can be fired on the spot. Even if my gayness hasn't affected a single damn thing in the office. I could be turned down to lease an apartment, especially if I have a life partner. I have to watch over my shoulder when I walk after dark, even in my own neighborhood. And I worry if someone overhears a conversation with a friend that I trust, that person listening in on us is the one person off his rocker who will try to kill me over of the fact that I'm gay.

And even before I moved to the South, I faced homophobia in suburban Chicago, while I was growing up in elementary, middle, and high school. I never knew there were people who had safe spots for us at school, and so I went through those years alone, because I was absolutely terrified of being disowned by my parents, not being able to get an education, and having a much harder life than I do have.

One of my friends from high school, who I admit I do not keep in touch with as well as I should, was the first person I ever told that I am gay. And I was crying the whole time.

Because no one bothered to ever ask me how I felt, and they just assumed that I was like them, even though I really wasn't.

I'm glad that you are able to voice this, because some of the things I see just make me sad that people could do that, and then I just fade off into the background. Unless I've been pushed so far and so quickly that I just outright snap.

Thank you.

Tohru > yamahog 10/03/2014 at 10:42

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I quit Oppo for about a year because of assholes. While Oppo is generally a like-minded community, it is often not a great community.

1337HPMustang > Sweet Trav 10/03/2014 at 12:20

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Yeah whatever. Point is Clay was being rational until you called him "fucking delusional" and said he's going to raise hateful children. He's not a misogynist you clueless and belligerent sjw. He wasn't trying to cheapen the cause of feminism, and he sure as hell doesn't think women deserve any less than men. The fact you resort to accusations instead of discussing an opposing view, and the fact you got him banned really makes me want to pull a yamahog and say fuck this blog and its intolerance.

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic 10/03/2014 at 12:57

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I was introduced to Oppo in the height of the NSFW post era. I stayed away, and didn't even look at it for a solid year.

I was finally lured back when I was told they pretty much don't happen anymore. I've had maybe two months now of seeing multiple anti-women posts, which will still scare many women who happen upon them.

Sweet Trav > 1337HPMustang 10/03/2014 at 13:12

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First, I didn't get anyone banned. He made his own bed when he decided to spout off like a fool. As they say discretion is the better part of Valor.

My whole message in a nutshell:

Don't act like you hit a triple when you were born on third base. Recognize the game is unfairly biased towards you and accept your responsibility to do your best to make it just for all.

I'm not going to humor a delusional viewpoint that does not take into account fact, logic or proof. For the record, I don't care if you agree with my views. If anyone wants an education, I'm happy to teach. If someone wants to have a civil debate based on fact, let's have some fun. But what I absolutely will not do is sit idly by while certain people bring a wonderful community down by spewing hate speech and ignorance. I will call you out. I will make a deal of it. But personally, I don't care how backwards your mindset, ethics, or moral compass is. I was born in the United States of 'Murica where you're as free to be as ignorant as you want.

However, this is Oppo. A place where rule one is don't be a dick. You want to incite a riot by claiming the 1982 Cadillac Cimarron is the greatest road car of all time whilst simultaneously denouncing the GT40 as merely a push-rod powered ferd? Awesome put the flame suit on and let it fly. This is a car enthusiast website, totally fair game. but if someone wants to get someone else's blood boiling by attacking their person-hood, gender, race, or struggle for equality in a very messed up world? Get the fuck out. You do not belong here.

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > yamahog 10/03/2014 at 13:40

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I'm just now seeing this, so late to the "party"... New job has me super busy, and I come home so late and tired I haven't been around much. I saw the thread in question briefly, before things got crazy.

I hope you stick around. We can only keep pressing on and hope things start to change for the better...

1337HPMustang > Sweet Trav 10/03/2014 at 16:00

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He was being civil and you're the one who started the tirade. He doesn't deserve to be banned because while he may be insensitive, he's not a hateful bigot

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/attention-oppo…

CaptainJackHarknessBalls > yamahog 10/03/2014 at 16:35

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*sorry these are all the "Applause" gif I got - Thank You for telling it like it is - MUCH RESPECT and stick around please !!

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > PatBateman 10/03/2014 at 19:52

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You say this, but the post is still there... So... ?

PatBateman > Little Black Coupe Turned Silver 10/03/2014 at 20:26

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The post I found was on Oppo. So...?

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > PatBateman 10/03/2014 at 20:34

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"Let me clarify that CL isn't for misogyny or sexism." Yet there is a still a post, on the first page, that goes against this.