![]() 12/05/2013 at 13:37 • Filed to: Wagon, Volvo | ![]() | ![]() |
V60 R-design starts at 44, 300...not to shabby for 325 hp and 354 tq, especially when the BMW 328 T starts at 41,450 and good luck finding one on a lot for less than 50k.
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Tempting, and not making my purchase decision any easier, Tom.
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So it's likely the Polestar will start at $49,995.
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Automatic only :(
But even still I might get over that for that much go in a wagon package.
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hot damn. Predicted used car price in 2019 - $5000
Perfect
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I like this a lot more than the BMW. Cooler looking, less common, very unique. These are basically the only two competitors in the industry sadly.
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Yeah within similar price points...you have the E class at 10 grand or more above and you have the Jetta Sportwagen down below.
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My wife is looking at replacing her vehicle. I tried to convince her to look at the V60, but she's anti-wagon. Ugh.
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I miss the old wheels though. Still, i've always been interested in the performance trim of volvo! Nice post OP
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There is only one solution
Divorce...
I'm kidding, I'm kidding...just get a V60 for yourself. :)
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Yeah that's what I meant to say, the e-class came to mind but it's more of a mid size wagon. The e class is in a "class" of its own!
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If she gets the Acadia she's looking at, that will handle our towing needs, and the Tundra may go away for the V60. That's pending driving one, of course.
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Perfect. If these depreciate according to plan, I can pick one up in 5-10 years
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Yeah you can already get a S60 T6 that is two years old for high twenties.
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That's really not bad. I'll wait until they're 5 years out and a bit less. I'm still young and poor (compared to the average Volvo buyer)
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Why do Volvos depreciate rapidly in the US? I don't really understand why, they aren't that flawed.
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Is there any definitive report on the reliability of the new S60 T6's? I know the S60R and V70R had their share of frequent and costly (but not at the same time) repairs
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American's don't really "get" Volvos.
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I love the little R at the bottom. Just like how I loved the little 'XC' engraving on my dad's XC90's wheels.
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Difference is the Pegasus are R wheels. R cars aren't to be confused with R-Design. It's like S and S-Line for Audi.
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I dunno man, I think the S60R/V70Rs are pretty darn reliable.
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Because Volvo doesn't market here for shit, so they have nowhere near the image of BMW/Audi/Merc.
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I just asked a friend who owns an 07 S60R what his opinions where and he said this:
"So outside of maintenance, the car is amazing. It makes a great DD because it is refined and smooth, all the options, and plenty fast for everyday driving (it makes full torque from 2000 rpm all the way up to redline). The 6 speed manual is great (I haven't driven the auto). Most of what I don't like about it is the AWD system. I have an 07 with all the latest updates but I've still had issues with the front angle gear and rear diff leaking. Not necessarily expensive parts to fix, but a lot of my own labor (and it would be considerable cost to pay for someone else's labor). I can deal with the leaking, but the splined collar on the front angle gear is severely worn and I'm positive that will strip out in the future. So I will be spending about $1200 to put a LSD in the trans (not looking forward to that). In addition to those costs the shocks are expensive because they have a solenoid to adjust the dampening. The brakes are also expensive but they're fantastic."
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Nice, sounds like your friend and me have essentially the same car (07 S60R, manual). I've got about 45K on mine including a handful of track days. For me, the car has been nothing short of reliable. It's a bummer he has a leaky angle gear. It seems like that happens most in places that get a lot of snow/salt. Water gets into the box and weakens the spline sleeve. Curious if he's in that kind of climate. Yes, the shocks are pricey given the active suspension, but so far mine are holding up nicely. The brakes are fantastic, and I guess the pads are more expensive than your normal disc setup, but well worth it. These cars are an amazing value (even when new), and like all Volvo's they depreciated a good bit - so with some homework someone could find a good deal on a pretty reliable used R...albeit with some maintenance issues that are more expensive than your average car.
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Yes, we live up in Wisconsin just a bit north of Milwaukee. I used to own an 06 Legacy GT, so I know a little bit about expensive maintenance and "finnicky" vehicles. I'm rocking my wife's old 03 Impreza Outback until it dies (couldn't happen too soon), then I'll likely be in the market for a 2011 WRX hatch or an S60R/V70R. WRX aside, something about sleepers just gets me going
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Couldn't agree with you more, it's all about sleepers. I'll take the S60R to track days and hold my own with M3s and 911s (yes, those are very different cars). At the end of the session guys are like "you're driving the hell out of that Volvo, what's going on?" Sleeper effect (granted I've done some modifications). I'm not trying to say that a 911 in the right hands won't obliterate me on the track, because it will, but the sleeper effect always surprises.
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Last thing, I promise. Are Volvos really as comfortable as people say? How tall/heavy are you and what's the longest you've driven your S60R? Impressions?
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Funny you should ask - this is the most comfortable car I've ever driven. The R seats are amazing - bolstered perfectly and the leather is baby soft (which requires some care). I'm 6'0" and weight about 175. I bought mine on an Overseas Delivery, so I picked it up in Sweden and drove it around Scandinavia for 3 weeks right off the bat. Neither me or my wife were ever uncomfortable like you might expect during a long road trip. Done drives from SF to LA with a quick fuel stop and no worries. My wife has an A3, and I was driving it around last week for a few days. Then got into my car this week and couldn't believe how much more comfortable it was in comparison, and I wasn't exactly uncomfortable in the Audi. I don't know what the Swedes do, but they put design time into the seats.
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Nice! I love roadtrips and probably take 2 every year of varying lengths, so comfort is important to me along with good bolstering, because AutoX. I've heard that Volvo hires chiropractors to help with the design of their seats... not sure if that's true or not