That debate was a 2016 F1 qualifying session [obvious politics]

"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee) 09/29/2020 at 22:51 • Filed to: None

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Actual footage of the debate

For Sweden > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 22:57

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Donald is w oke on the Philadelphia question

fintail > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:02

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Biden sure put up a fight, good for him.

I loved dear leader’s response to the white supremacist/militia question (as if we had any doubt).

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:05

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I couldn’t do it, I will wait for Trevor Noah’s recap, it’s all I can take. 

CompactLuxuryFan > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:06

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Biden was far too soft and I don’t understand it. Analysts are saying some undecided voters may have been put off by him saying “would you shut up, man?”. Who the heck would be put off by that _and then go vote Trump_?

Mercedes Streeter > fintail 09/29/2020 at 23:08

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Biden legit needs to ram that soundbite down everyone’s throat every single day until the election.

Trump was given several chances to give the correct answer and instead he just blew a Proud Boy dog whistle. It's not like he even fell into a trap, the bloody moderator was trying to hand him a life preserver!

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 09/29/2020 at 23:09

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I think it gave me a stroke

dogisbadob > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:14

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I miss John Delaney :(

It would be nice to have a sane president under 70

Goggles Pizzano > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:14

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Aremmes > CompactLuxuryFan 09/29/2020 at 23:14

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If those voters are undecided and feel put off by that, they're not undecided.

fintail > Mercedes Streeter 09/29/2020 at 23:16

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Not that there was any doubt, but now we know where he stands.  And if someone still wants to vote for him, that speaks volumes.

nermal > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:21

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That was AWESOME! My favorite part was when all three 70 year olds were yelling what they wanted to say at the same exact time, with no regard for really anything else.

Key takeaways from each :

Chris Wallace will be retiring soon. He’s clearly had enough of this shit.

Biden is a weenie. I have no idea how he got there, because he is a terrible candidate and will make an even worse president.

There’s an adage that applies to debating Trump - “Don’t wrassle with a pig in shit. You’re gonna lose, and the pig will enjoy it”.

facw > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/29/2020 at 23:21

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It still feels really quiet around here to me now.

jminer > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 09/29/2020 at 23:24

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Him and Seth Meyers are where I’ve been getting my news and even that is hard to manage.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > nermal 09/29/2020 at 23:26

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That adage is insulting to the pig, in this case.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > jminer 09/29/2020 at 23:27

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Yeah I know the feeling, I watched Seth more during the main lockdown. I also watch Colbert, he and Trevor usually makes me feel better somehow.

wafflesnfalafel > fintail 09/29/2020 at 23:29

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right... my mother-in-law is a f*cking Nazi.... Interesting situation, I married the daughter of a woman who supports killing hundreds of my extended family.  What do you do...

For Sweden > dogisbadob 09/29/2020 at 23:46

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RIP my neoliberal king :(

fintail > wafflesnfalafel 09/29/2020 at 23:52

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Hire a hitman? :)

I can’t make any legit suggestions that are legal and/or non-violent.

fintail > nermal 09/29/2020 at 23:54

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Biden is objectively awful, but more palatable than the steaming pile of corruption and lies in office now.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/30/2020 at 00:04

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notsomethingstructural > nermal 09/30/2020 at 00:13

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I thought Biden did an excellent job staying out of it since the first 40 minutes or so were clearly engineered to get him into it. Wasn’t perfect but did a good job staying on message, not getting distracted, and not looking like he would roll over and just  take shit either.

ttyymmnn > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 09/30/2020 at 00:33

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I got home from symphony (we recorded a great show with Asleep at the Wheel) and sat in the kitchen with my headphones on while my son watched it. I support his watching it wholeheartedly, but I knew I would just want to throw the TV out the window after about five minutes. As I said to jminer on another thread, it’s nothing more than political theater of the absurd. It’s not a debate. 

ttyymmnn > fintail 09/30/2020 at 00:34

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I didn’t watch. What did he say? In a nutshell, of course, but I’m pretty sure I can guess. Good people on both sides and all that?

Agrajag > ttyymmnn 09/30/2020 at 00:40

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ttyymmnn > Agrajag 09/30/2020 at 00:48

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Well, that’s about what I expected, but worse. Nice. 

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/30/2020 at 01:07

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Worse:

Really, shameful, the developed world is shaking its head right now.

ttyymmnn > fintail 09/30/2020 at 01:19

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Not gonna watch it, but I read the quotes. Election Day is going to be interesting. You better believe I’m voting early. 

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > ttyymmnn 09/30/2020 at 01:27

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Trump is incapable of giving another person a chance to speak, he always brings it back to his ego. Wherever he is look at his posture and face when he is waiting for someone to stop talking, he can’t stand it. When he invites people to talk at the WH etc.. he looks like he’ s going to go nuts, juts his chin out to the side and looks like a little kid about to have a tantrum. Biden is prepared for everything so you can just expect his canned answer, I don’t love him but I’ll take it after this shit show.

Nick Has an Exocet > notsomethingstructural 09/30/2020 at 02:05

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Personally, I think Biden barely showed up. I can’t think of a single good point that he made. I was also disappointed that he didn’t have many good gaffs outside of “Of the 200,000 people that died under his watch, how many of them survived?”.

He also took to name calling when he got frustrated and somehow got caught off-guard by the question about Hunter. Not to mention how damn awkward it was that when faced with a question about Hunter, he started to talk about the dead son that was clearly his favorite. Yikes.

Nick Has an Exocet > nermal 09/30/2020 at 02:07

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Biden is there because he’s a remote controlled human with almost no thoughts of his own. It’s an absolute shame that it’s where the DNC has gone.

Nick Has an Exocet > ttyymmnn 09/30/2020 at 02:08

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Wallace asked him to denounce white nationalists and he circled around to Antifa. Weirdly, within about 20 minutes, the campaign had ads running on Facebook that said “Trump denounced KKK and Antifa.”

Nick Has an Exocet > fintail 09/30/2020 at 02:13

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I won’t be voting for him, but I can understand someone thinking that he’s a better choice for lots of economic or policy reasons. Compared to the previous administration , we’ve drawn down our military conflicts. And taking away the worst pandemic in modern history, things would be a stellar financial place.

Nick Has an Exocet > Goggles Pizzano 09/30/2020 at 02:14

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I laughed so hard when Biden started answering that.

notsomethingstructural > Nick Has an Exocet 09/30/2020 at 07:03

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In my line of work we talk about “giving [someone] the rope” - meaning, “I won’t try to hang you for this, but I’ll give you the rope and hope you hang yourself.” If a large part of what Biden is running on is having the temperament to be president, ultimately he doesn’t need to score points conventionally, he just has to give Trump enough of the stage to let him hang himself.

I do think there were segments Biden did well. Race and climate change I thought Trump got hammered. I thought Biden stuck to the questions too much on COVID to really give Trump a sizable battering which was obviously a missed opportunity . I thought he also scored well on the economy and trade (though there were some statements on trade that weren’t entirely accurate.) He was well prepared. To Trumps credit, he actually was pretty well prepared as well, but all that got lost in his arguments with Wallace and constant interrupting. And scoring a debate like it’s for a high school club assumes both people are there to win by scoring points, and you should have known before this started that wasn’t going to happen. If that’s the metric you want to use, no, Biden did not score many points (not am I sure he should be expected to while constantly being spoken over) . But neither did Trump, so it would probably be a final score of like 3-1 or so.

As for missteps, if you’re picking at Biden for name calling one time please don’t pretend that’s unbiased compared to the shit Trump did on stage and for the past 4 years. He missed a shift going from the son he was talking about to the one Trump was talking about, but I think he recovered well and had a good moment of honesty with people by saying his family has coped with addiction just like everyone else.

Overall I have to imagine Biden’s camp is very happy and isn’t looking to change much for the next one. I think they’re going to push him to speak generally while he’s being spoken over and attempt to land some blows while Trump is quiet. I would think Trumps camp is somewhat happy too, he obviously needs to dial it back but overall he walked away from three massive  issues mainly unscathed - his tax returns, the Supreme Court vacancy, and COVID. 

shop-teacher > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/30/2020 at 07:43

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I sorted Lego and listened to Dorsey Schroeder's episode of Dinner with Racers. I feel good about that decision.

Textured Soy Protein > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/30/2020 at 08:37

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I wanted absolutely nothing to do with it but my wife for some reason derived perverse entertainment value from it, until she finally said, “ok I think we can turn it off now.” I was like, “ahhh thank you!” and X’ed out of it right quick. 

Repost for the morning crowd: https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1845222468

Anyone who wants to claim these are two equally bad choices, I will slap the shit out of you while standing on my one good leg.

Textured Soy Protein > Nick Has an Exocet 09/30/2020 at 08:43

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Good points from my paying 1/2 to 2/3 attention:

“Here’s what’s before the Supreme Court right now and why we should wait to appoint a new justice...”

Trump’s been saying for 4 years he’s going to repeal and replace Obamacare, but he hasn’t done shit because he has no healthcare plan, here’s mine.

“You are the worst president in the history of our country.”  

CobraJoe > Nick Has an Exocet 09/30/2020 at 09:28

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Biden is there because he’s a remote controlled human with almost no thoughts of his own. It’s an absolute shame that it’s where the DNC has gone.

That’s pretty much exactly Trumps claim.

But I’m seeing Biden as someone who is willing to consider other views and adjust his plans accordingly. Some are going to claim that he doesn’t have a backbone, but I think it’s pretty damn refreshing for a politician to actually listen to other people .

Nick Has an Exocet > CobraJoe 09/30/2020 at 11:08

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There isn’t a single refreshing thing about either of those geriatric d-bags .

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Nick Has an Exocet 09/30/2020 at 11:22

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Biden spoke frankly about  his son’s substance abuse struggles on a stage in front of millions of people, instead of trying to brush it off or hide it as a dirty little secret. That earns a lot of respect in my book.

fintail > Nick Has an Exocet 09/30/2020 at 11:28

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IMO, the only reason one would choose him is desire for a strongman (although I suspect Barron could kick his ass) linked to sticking it to the libs, or fear of change, which is something that plagues much of the country (45 played into it well with the threat of “socialism”, which I’ll wager he, along with most Americans, couldn’t define if their lives depended on it). Really, as I’ve seen elsewhere, I think many choose him because he’s an avatar for their fantasies - born rich never-had-a-real-job circus showman who pretends he built an empire and is also a serial adulterer who plays with porn stars, eventually marries a plastic robot, and can get away with anything. It’s the boomer/xoomer fantasy. Shows the mettle of religious fundies who continue to go along with it, too.

I am not sure any economic or foreign policy under this regime is special, or is working. The prior regime, greatly flawed, performed the heavy lifting for both.  A pause in armed conflict isn’t world peace, although nepotism recipient Jared may believe otherwise.  The 2017 tax plan is more deficit-creating trickle down fantasy that is somehow allowed to exist as economic mobility continues to falter, and income/wealth chasms expand just as they have in the past 40 years. Americans usually don’t grasp that stock markets are not ‘the economy’, And to top it off, the US is still a laughingstock when it comes to healthcare coverage and anything linked to a safety net. If the regime gave a damn, there’d be more pandemic-related stimulus, like in actual first world locations.

Stand back and stand by.

CobraJoe > Nick Has an Exocet 09/30/2020 at 11:38

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I disagree. Just seeing someone tell Trump to shut up was pretty refreshing. Granted, It’s a long time before we’d reach “clear air” (to stretch that metaphor) , but for now, it was enough for me just to see a politician treating Trump like the bully he was.

Nick Has an Exocet > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/01/2020 at 02:17

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What’s the deal with the $3.5M from Moscow? “My son has a drug problem.”

Did he answer the question or not? Because either he avoided the question or just said that his son’s drug habit has him tied to Russia. 

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Nick Has an Exocet 10/01/2020 at 02:23

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I think the multiple repet i tio ns of “ those claims have been disproven” in response to the many many many times Trump brought it up instead of answering a question constituted his answer

Nick Has an Exocet > fintail 10/01/2020 at 02:25

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Economy:

Foreign Policy:

Military conflicts (Obama) : Operation Ocean Shield, American-led intervention in Libya, Operation Observant Compass, American-led intervention in Iraq, American-led intervention in Syria, Yemeni Civil War

Military conflicts (Trump ) : {none}

Seriously, I’m not a fan of Trump. I didn’t vote for him and I won’t be voting for him this time around, but you can’t blatantly ignore this data.

fintail > Nick Has an Exocet 10/01/2020 at 12:39

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Someone inherited the cleanup of the Bush bubble bursting. But even then, many economic factors in the US are nothing to brag about. Maybe not much winning going on, unless one is a 1%er or a proud boys type.

There’s a lot more to the economy than unemployment , especially as the US leads the developed world in non-living wage low-to-no benefits jobs, and has a threadbare safety net (and has an economy faltering now via lack of stimulus, while legitimately developed nations putting more of a share of GDP into recovery efforts are faring better in numerous ways).

One could also explain it as the Obama regime mongered some war (Dems are certainly not against that, and inheriting a situation from a war criminal like Cheney and co. doesn’t help ), and maybe finished some business so the replacement had less work to do. Or maybe Putin just doesn’t want the US nosing in, and someone indebted to him does what he’s told.