Sometimes compliance is not enough. Sometimes they kill you anyway.

"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
09/22/2020 at 14:05 • Filed to: Race, 2020, Outdoorslopnik

A tough read. A worthwhile read.

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DISCUSSION (17)

Jb boin > Just Jeepin'
09/22/2020 at 14:37

American exceptionalism...

When hiking in the wilderness becomes about the community and races .

VincentMalamute-Kim > Just Jeepin'
09/22/2020 at 14:58

yike. I’m not white so I do feel a bit of what she describes. But it’s so much less than if I were black.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Just Jeepin'
09/22/2020 at 16:09

Was a tough read, and it should have been.

I look forward to a day when this in not always in the backs of the minds of people of color when they venture into unfamiliar territory...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Just Jeepin'
09/22/2020 at 16:34

Have you ever viewed the Gadsden flag as having racist undertones? If flown with the Confederate flag, sure, but by itself, I really don’t think so.

Just Jeepin' > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/22/2020 at 18:05

We re I a minority I think I’d view it as neutral at best. A lot of overlap between people who are deeply suspicious of the federal government and those who are unsympathetic towards modern civil rights causes.

WilliamsSW > Just Jeepin'
09/23/2020 at 00:16

Should be required reading. Thanks for sharing this.

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/23/2020 at 00:19

I could be wrong, but I don’t think of the Gadsden as racist in and of itself.

But I suspect that those who fly it are far more likely to be racist.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW
09/23/2020 at 09:18

Plenty of liberal racists, too, fwiw...

I just see the Gadsden flag as an “individual liberty” symbol, maybe most closely linked in current time to 2nd amendment folks, but on Wikipedia you’ll read that LGBT groups have used a version before, too.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Just Jeepin'
09/23/2020 at 09:31

Sure, but plenty of racist “patriots” fly the American flag as well...

I feel like, at this point (or ever, really), could you disconnect the Confederate flag from slavery/racism, but the Gadsden flag is really about individual liberty (whatever ones you care about the most). I read on Wikipedia that an LGBT group actually used a variation in the past.

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/23/2020 at 09:49

Oh absolutely! Racism is EVERYWHERE.

It’s just that I tend to think there’s a lot of overlap between Gadsden flyers and far right extremists. The flag itself and the ideas originally behind it seem inoffensive to me.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW
09/23/2020 at 10:05

Yes, the overlap is definitely there, I just think we need to be careful projecting those ideas onto someone just because the overlap exists.

Like:

Kinja'd!!!

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/23/2020 at 11:03

You are correct. It’s a tough battle, because it’s human nature to stereotype. I think it’s something we all have to work hard to overcome. And I'm not excluding myself from that.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW
09/23/2020 at 11:14

As a funny aside, I saw a Gadsden flag license plate on an effing TOYOTA HIGHLANDER this morning. Was all blacked out with bigger tires and a roof rack, but yeah, still a Highlander.

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/23/2020 at 17:18

Lol. To be fair, around the burbs of Chicago where I'm at, it’s VERY rare to see a Gadsden on a car. I can only recall 1-2x in the last 6 months. They were on nondescript cars, too, not lifted coal rollers.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW
09/23/2020 at 17:22

And did you immediately think “RACIST!”, or something a little more nuanced?

It’s not super common here in Tulsa, but clearly more common than up there.

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/23/2020 at 19:56

No, more like Tea Party. Racist wouldn't be in the top 5 of things I think.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW
09/24/2020 at 09:08

Yes, libertarian =/= racist.