He has a point

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 09/21/2020 at 14:22 • Filed to: None

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There must be a better way than mass tourism. It’s gonna be hard, because some places are really nice and generally a must visit for everyone, but we should try. 

For Sweden > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/21/2020 at 14:31

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The easy solution is to raise prices. The few rich people can travel. The poor masses can just stay home.  That will reduce crowds significantly.  

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > For Sweden 09/21/2020 at 14:36

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No. Travel is a hugely beneficial part of life for modern humans. 

For Sweden > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/21/2020 at 14:39

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Then we should embrace the crowds.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/21/2020 at 14:55

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Some kind of free (very important component) ticketing system for major tourist sites, to be even let in to the grounds ? And apply it very strictly where person showing up must match name of person who purchased it online in advance.

If someone isn’t able to get a ticket to the Eiffel Tower for example, many people will probably delay their Paris trip altogether to a date that they can get in.

Of course this is just a random idea I’m throwing out, but it’s horrible how crowded places were getting before COVID hit. Would be nice to re-emerge in to a world that is a bit more organized, yet fairly. 

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > For Sweden 09/21/2020 at 14:58

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It’s not about the crowds. It’s about making sure that they don’t exist only in some areas of a country or of a city and overlooking others.

Of course some places are more interesting than others and some are only hyped, but you can find some juicy fruit on the road less traveled. 

For Sweden > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 09/21/2020 at 15:05

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The Eiffel Tower has tickets  https://www.toureiffel.paris/en/rates-opening-times

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 09/21/2020 at 15:21

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Ughh, August is traditionally a vacation month in Europe. Many people take their vacations then. You can also visit places like Paris, Madrid, Rome etc. in the winter, as they are not as dependent on good weather like Costa del Sol or Costa Blanca, but generally you want nice weather when you go on vacation(you can pack fewer clothes and there’s more room for shopping and souvenirs, in the summer ) .

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/21/2020 at 15:25

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I don’t have much to add besides the fact that I dislike mass tourism and its effect on popular destinations . I was actually in Spain this time last year and found the small towns much more interesting and charming than Madrid or Barcelona.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/21/2020 at 15:44

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Kidding.

(kinda)

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire 09/21/2020 at 16:07

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Yes. But casual tourists don't really know about the smaller places. Some don't have the time to wonder around. And that's sad.

For Sweden > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/21/2020 at 16:37

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Communists weren’t known for their facilitation of tourism though

For Sweden > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/21/2020 at 16:37

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If you give people a month of vacation, they will take vacations

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > For Sweden 09/21/2020 at 16:39

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Right, I knew that and my post wasn’t fully thought through. I meant outside of the attractions themselves (where the tickets may be bought both by locals, students, tourists, etc.) have a limited quantity of free “passes” that give you the ability to even go there in the first place.

It’s a mess - as you said, increasing prices is the easiest way to reduce crowds. But it’s shitty that things are then accessible only to the wealthy...I suppose that’s the history of the world. With modern technology there must be some more novel ways to look at this. 

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/21/2020 at 16:43

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You bourgeois bastard!

Joke aside, mass, unregulated tourism is killing small businesses, mom and pop places that were passed on in the family for generations.

They are increasingly being replaced by chain tapas places, places like Lizarran and La Sureña with standardized menus, decorations and ingredients. With their snazzy marketing campaigns, blend, rushed dishes and corner cutting, they have less to do with the Spanish way of life and more to do with money making, corporate machines.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > For Sweden 09/21/2020 at 17:35

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Th ey are a fan of tourism by force though!

For Sweden > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/21/2020 at 17:38

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If you are working to build world socialism, you will never work a day in your life!

Jb boin > For Sweden 09/22/2020 at 00:07

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Well, most (all?) European countries have at least one month of vacations per year.

And f or example h ere, most students have around 2 months of vacations .

The problem is that everybody goes to the same cities and places : Paris or Madrid are far from the only interesting spots on the countries (and not the best for family tourism).

For Sweden > Jb boin 09/22/2020 at 10:32

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Then we should all accept that Europe will be full of vacationers.

Stef Schrader > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/22/2020 at 12:13

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Oof, this sounds familiar. Sixth Street is dead with the bars closed, but it’s not safe to reopen, either. There’s just not many people down there. I like the convenience of things like AirBNB, too, but damn if I don’t hate the effect of pushing prices up and locals out. And dammit, I hate going to excessively bland, touristy spots on vacation. 

Stef Schrader > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/22/2020 at 12:17

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I wish there was a louder way to say that these places suck. 

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Stef Schrader 09/22/2020 at 13:03

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It’s terrible. When you have a favorite place(near where you live or not) and you go there often and then all the sudden a chain place opens there instead and there’s nothing to make it special because there’s hundreds like it. And the interior is tacky and plasticky and the food isn’t that great.

And stop eating at McDonald’s when you’re visiting Europe. We have to understand that. Sure, is gonna be better than back home and with a local twist and less fattening but if you’ve crossed an ocean for your vacation, eat local, authentic food instead!

Stef Schrader > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/22/2020 at 13:29

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YUP.