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"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69) 09/18/2020 at 07:56 • Filed to: late night oppo, Datsun, Nissan, Prince

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McMike > pip bip - choose Corrour 09/18/2020 at 08:08

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I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > pip bip - choose Corrour 09/18/2020 at 08:25

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I’ve said it before and I’ll keep on saying it. It is a good looking car. Even if it is still just a heavily refreshed 350z, who cares? The engineering NREs are done, and the 350z was a great car. The 400z will also be a great car.

Ready for an adventure! > McMike 09/18/2020 at 08:33

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plus the headlights are fixed on the new one.

way2blu does a rev update > McMike 09/18/2020 at 08:37

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Hot take: I’m glad they’re the same picture. The new 300ZX improves on the 370Z’s weak points. The old car’s VQ37 engine comes from a family of motors dating back to 1994 , whereas the new Z’s VR30DDTT is a more recent & accessible evolution of the GT-R’s motor, which is renowned for its tunability and power.

The new 300ZX looks great, and its cleaner design than the 370Z, not to mention the Supra and, heck, even the modern Mustang & Camaro.

This is literally the exact update the 370Z needed. It’s a tuner car with strong aftermarket support, and the new 300ZX will be even more so. 

ranwhenparked > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/18/2020 at 08:47

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Ive always hated the idea of planned obsolescence/c hange purely for the sake of change, and wish more manufacturers would keep building their older models for as long as it was practical to do so

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > ranwhenparked 09/18/2020 at 08:55

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Nissan already has a pretty small US market share. The Z has never been a hot seller. Peak US sales for the 350z were 36,728 units in 2003, 10,215 for the 370z in 2010. It makes little financial sense for Nissan to engineer an entirely new chassis or powertrain for a next gen Z car. It’s either this, letting the 370z soldier on in its current form for longer, or no Z car. I’m happy there’s going to be a Z car.

ranwhenparked > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/18/2020 at 08:59

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Realistically, it's either this or no Z at all. Not only are sales too low to justify a new one, they're too low and falling to even keep selling the old one for much longer. If the facelift even holds sales flat and stops them from dropping further, but it probably will bump them a bit, updated styling does tend to pull at least a few new people into the showrooms

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/18/2020 at 09:19

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Im glad you like it because it’ll likely go unchanged for the next 10 years knowing Nissan.

CobraJoe > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/18/2020 at 09:39

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Also, for any manufacturer, a “clean sheet” redesign is pretty much non-existent.

Take the previous platform, tweak it to make it cheaper, fix the known issues, improve NVH, adjust to fit the new size, and you’re good to go!

The current Explorer’s platform can trace it’s roots back to the Volvo P2 platform from 1998.  I’m sure it’s vastly different now, but 20 years of iterative design and adaptation to different vehicle types can do that.  

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > CobraJoe 09/18/2020 at 09:41

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@VW for essentially making the same car from 1974 until 2005

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > ranwhenparked 09/18/2020 at 09:45

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Are they too low to keep selling the 370z? They’re very low, but at this point all the engineering and tooling costs are paid for. I imagine they’re made on the same production line as the other FM platform Nissans.

OPPOsaurus WRX > pip bip - choose Corrour 09/18/2020 at 09:54

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i’ll take that one please.

Speed > ranwhenparked 09/18/2020 at 10:08

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Amen. Just about any Jalop would fender hump something like an aircooled 911 or a 70 Series Land Cruiser, yet lambaste cars like the Challenger and 370z for their lengthy production runs.

I will agree that more updates should be sprinkled throughout to keep the platforms relevant and competitive. Challenger and fam has done an excellent job with this and Nissan has not, however, their offerings have remained pretty affordable.

Price a Frontier vs. a Tacoma new or used and you’ll see what I mean. Speaking of Toyota, the golden calf known as the 4Runner is about 100 years old and still worshipped.

If Nissan gives the aged platform a thorough update and addresses it’s short comings, I only see this as a good thing. When the 370 came out, people really liked it. The issue is that over time they didn’t update it enough. For example, the base Mustang went from being lightyears behind it to matching or exceeding it in performance. Fix that and we’re good.

onlytwowheels > pip bip - choose Corrour 09/18/2020 at 10:09

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240z without front bump er:

400z with front bumper:

ranwhenparked > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/18/2020 at 10:12

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They sold less than 2,4 00 here last year, that can’t be sustainable, particularly with maintaining parts and service support and ongoing updates for safety and emissions regulation changes. That was down 31% over 2018, which, in turn was down 25% from 2017, it's been fading fast for some time. Was going to fall to three digit sales figures before too long

Milky > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/18/2020 at 10:13

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That makes sense for you.  

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > onlytwowheels 09/18/2020 at 10:40

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The problem (for me), is that I’m not in love with the old one sans bumper either.

Jb boin > onlytwowheels 09/18/2020 at 10:59

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Did anybody try it with a license plate?