First time I've seen a chip reader at a gas pump, at least stateside

"E90M3" (e90m3) 07/29/2020 at 17:53 • Filed to: necessary fueling with E90M3

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On my way home today, I stopped to fill up the 3 at the Shell station I frequent. It might be a few cents more than the other gas stations I could stop at, but it’s a lot more convenient than stopping at the QT by work. As a result, this is where I fill up most often. Looks like they added chip readers to the pumps.

I shouldn’t be surprised !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , the burden for fraud would fall onto the station and not Visa. I’m more surprised that it’s taken this long for me to see one. I know I used a chip at a pump in France, but as far as the US, this is the first I’ve seen of it.

bob and john > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 17:55

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...really? canada has hard chip readers for....fuck, 5 or 6 years now?

E90M3 > bob and john 07/29/2020 at 17:58

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As far as pay at the pump, yes. It’s been used in stores since later 2014 or so, but as far as at the gas pump, this is the first I’ve seen it.

I know when I went to Europe in 2013, I ordered a credit card with a chip because my card didn’t even have one. 

For Sweden > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:00

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Don’t worry about fraud! Would this man steal from you?

Just Jeepin' > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:00

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Speedway has had it around here (Indiana)  for a year or two. I can even use Apple Pay at a few places, like Meijer.

ClassicDatsunDebate > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:03

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Wait till you guys finally get tap debit cards!  Welcome to the new century! :)

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 07/29/2020 at 18:03

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Why deal with lone-wolf amateurs when you can have a complete team of professionals to steal from you?

Sovande > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:03

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First time I've seen that spelling of prompted. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:05

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I’ve been on the road a lot, moving rally cars and projects around, and I’ve noticed in the last 60 days that Love’s, Pilot-FlyingJ have started to roll out the Chip Readers at the pump.

It’s taken them long enough, but it’s reassuring after having my card hacked three times in the last two years.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:05

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Wow, welcome to the Century of the Fruitbat! I can’t remember the last time I swiped a card anywhere - chips have been ubiquitous all over (including pay at pump) for years here. We’ve also had contactless payment at the pump in all the main chains for several years, and a couple of operators now have number plate recognition based “fill up and go” payment options. Gas stations tend to be technology leaders not laggers in NZ.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > bob and john 07/29/2020 at 18:07

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Way more than that I’d say.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:08

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Really....? These are on like....every pump ever here in Canada for like, the last 20 years...

For Sweden > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 07/29/2020 at 18:08

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Because that’s NASCAR

MM54 > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:09

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These started popping up here around April... every now and then I still do a quick swipe and it gets all sorts of pissed off. Eventually I’ll get used to it.

E90M3 > Sovande 07/29/2020 at 18:16

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Must be the SC education .

E90M3 > MM54 07/29/2020 at 18:17

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I’ve only been in GA and SC since March, and this is the first time I’ve seen one. 

facw > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:17

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I started seeing them late last year. I’m pretty sure some machines had the feature already but it was turned off before.

In any event, get used to it, the deadline has been extended a few times (most recently due to covid) , but currently if they don’t read chips by April of next year, they will be liable for fraudulent charges rather than the credit card company.

HammerheadFistpunch > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:17

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really? Most of them around me have it.

E90M3 > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 07/29/2020 at 18:18

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I ’m surprised it’s taken this long, but the stations weren’t going to spend the money unless they were pretty much forced to.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:18

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Honestly there’s no excuse that they’re not all contactless, especially in the corona times.  I do it all the time at places and the cashiers are like...nobody ever uses that. 

Sovande > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:19

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Certainly no one in Georgia would make that mistake. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 07/29/2020 at 18:19

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I’m gonna go out on a limb and assert that this is SOOOOO on-brand for Wells-Fargo... I’m willing to bet that’s not even a real Charger. Or a real grille.

By the way, I’ve deducted $29 from your checking account for making this post. You’re welcome. We’ve also set up Auto-Deduct ACH to your account for use in future posts. And, don’t think about calling the authorities. We have all your personal information and know where you live.
-- The Wells Fargo Customer Engagement Team

E90M3 > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/29/2020 at 18:19

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BOA sent me one earlier this year and I’ve been using it all the time, it’s great. 

E90M3 > HammerheadFistpunch 07/29/2020 at 18:20

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Yes, between all the places I’ve filled up at this is the first I’ve seen one. 

facw > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:21

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My chipless cards always worked fine in Europe. Sometimes the person operating the reader is confused as to how we could be so backwards, but the readers could still swipe and everything would go through. Now of course pretty much every US card has had a chip for years, so no need to swipe, though people still get weirded out by being asked to make you sign a receipt instead of entering a PIN (now that US banks no longer require signatures, maybe that can be dropped too, though I certainly see plenty of US places still asking for signatures even though they are no longer required).

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:23

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Yeah, and the subscriber banks pay up big too. They all went along, for years, content to take the hit in Fraud Prevention instead of step up to tech Asia has had for almost 20 years. Weird.

The doubly strange part is we are STILL years behind... those SIM contacts are not up to the daily wear and tear— and in the last couple of years high volume stores like Costco and Home Depot commonly have pooched out contact pins in their card readers. So, we’ll have a years-long-wait for “contactless” and “tap to pay” technologies... that’s been commonplace in Europe for well over 5 years.

facw > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 07/29/2020 at 18:27

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Here in the US most cards and readers got chips circa 2015 (when credit card issuers made them do so or be on the hook for fraudulent charges). Gas stations however got an extension due to the high cost of replacing readers integrated into pumps. That extension keeps getting extended, but is also getting close so places are making the change.

Wireless payment is growing more common, though card issuers often don’t provide it so it’s been more popular with Apple Pay and the like. Mobil had a proprietary fob for doing wireless payments going back to the late ‘90s, but obviously that’s obsolete now. Never heard of anyone doing license plate based payment, but I guess if they can do it for tolls, they should be able to do it for gas as well.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > bob and john 07/29/2020 at 18:29

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This is like a decade old now like cofl said, it’s been longer in most cities. I mean hell, we can pay via phone app  now:

https://www.shell.ca/en_ca/motorists/shell-motorist-app.html

shop-teacher > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:40

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Interesting.  Several of them around here have them.  Not all of them, but they’re multiplying rapidly.

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:50

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Some of the stations around here now lock the card in for some of the steps. I wish I could Apple Pay at my favorite shell station but hardly any places take it at the pump 

HammerheadFistpunch > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:53

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Thats crazy.  We’re even starting to get touch and pay ones, but they never work so I guess there’s that.

Under_Score > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:56

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You haven’t been to RaceTrac.

SmugAardvark > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 18:59

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Not only have we had these for awhile, Shell stations have started offering NFC payment as well in certain stations. It’s fantastic.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 19:13

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We’ve had chip readers in Canada at practically all gas stations for at least a decade now.

As for Visa not taking any responsibility for fraud... well that’s just BS and a good reason not to use or accept their cards.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > facw 07/29/2020 at 19:14

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They’ve had license plate recognition at gas stations  for anti-theft for a few years, so I guess it’s a small step to hook it up to a payments system. Plate based payment is also becoming common in parking buildings here.

DipodomysDeserti > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 19:19

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And in Europe they’re mostly all contactless now.

What’s really funny is that the first chipped card I received was my college student ID...in 2005.

The Compromiser > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 19:23

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Man... when y'all finally get tap, you're going to have a fit.

Tripper > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 19:51

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Most near me are chip/Apple Pay 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 20:09

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What’s weird is a new shell station went up last December and still old style card readers. 

GolfR Guy > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 20:11

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When I go to Shell I use their app to pay since some of the stations are sketch . My local ARCO has Apple pay which is nice though. 

ranwhenparked > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 21:05

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They’ve been all around me for the past few years, at least at the major chains

Kiltedpadre > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 21:31

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I’ve seen quite a few but the corporate office for Speedway Corp is only a few miles away and the stations around here are among the first to make changes.

GLiddy > E90M3 07/29/2020 at 22:02

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I’m seeing more and more of them.  But then again I only fill at 2 brands.  Sam’s Club and Shell.  Fuel Rewards member here too.

Jarrett - [BRZ Boi] > bob and john 07/29/2020 at 22:16

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Forget chip readers, we’ve had bloody tap-tap for years!

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > E90M3 07/30/2020 at 00:29

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I saw my first one recently, too.  It was one that physically held the card while it read the chip.  I only noticed when I went to pull the card out on the swipe and the card didn’t come out until I pulled harder.  Then I read the screen, realized what it was and followed directions...

Jb boin > facw 07/30/2020 at 00:51

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All credit card in France have a chip since 1992 and the USA seems to be the last one of the G20 countries not to force credit card to have one.

I am 33 and i never had to swipe my card.

pip bip - choose Corrour > E90M3 07/30/2020 at 04:44

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shame they can’t spell though.

as the correct spelling is prompted.

E90M3 > DipodomysDeserti 07/30/2020 at 07:56

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When I was in the UK, I just went inside to pay. 

E90M3 > Under_Score 07/30/2020 at 07:57

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There aren’t anywhere near me, and the one near my parents is one the wrong side of the road for when I’m headed home. Gas is also cheaper in SC, so I usually just wait until I’m back home to fill up. 

Under_Score > E90M3 07/30/2020 at 08:05

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That’s smart.