Dead- Honda Fit, Civic Coupe, Accord manual

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt)
07/17/2020 at 12:14 • Filed to: honda fit, honda civic, honda, accord, Manual, manual transmission, honda accord

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clearly it is all collectively Oppo’s fault.

DISCUSSION (47)

i86hotdogs > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:13

RIP In Peace

MM54 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:14

I didn’t even realize you could still get an manual accord, and I’ve not seen a current-gen civic coupe on the road either. A bummer to be gone, but unsurprising.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:17

Th e car world gets bleaker and bleaker....I don’t want a blan d crossover, but that’s all anybody is going to sell anymore :(

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > MM54
07/17/2020 at 12:20

You could get it with both the 1.5T and 2.0t

facw > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:20

Sorry, but I won’t cry for the manual Accord. On the other hand, the Fit seemed pretty practical, and Civic Si Coupe seemed like good value for the money.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:20

Kinja'd!!!

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 12:21

Buy a 20 year old german hatchback!

Or a fiat 126 :D

punkgoose17 > MM54
07/17/2020 at 12:22

A co-worker has a Civic coupe. I am not a fan of what they have been doing for the Civic coupe styling.

ranwhenparked > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:22

The subcompact category is dropping like flies. I think we’re down to MINI, Hyundai, Kia, Mitsubishi, and Nissan now.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 12:23

There’s always the perennial Oppo car- The GTI which also comes with manual, practical and relativity affordable

smobgirl > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:24

Fuck you Honda.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:25

I see very few Civic coupes. Ultimately, I blame the marketing. I never saw a single Civic ad that featured the coupe. Accord manual was very good, but also suffered from lack of publicity. The Fit is a victim of consumer tastes. I understand the decisions from a business perspective but I don’t have to like them.

Ash78, voting early and often > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:28

The manny tranny doesn’t shock me, but the Fit ? Those still seem insanely popular in cities, and most of the competition has dropped out.

I also just realized I hadn’t seen a current Civic Coupe at all. I thought I had, but was wrong.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:31

If Honda had made the Accord a liftback (close enough to a wagon for me) the sport with a manual would be on my list of next potential cars. But, alas, it’s not.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:33

Eh, to me affordable is sub $ 20K....Hyundai Accents, Nissan Micras, the now-gone Honda Fit, Mitsu Mirages, Kia Rios, now-gone Ford Fiestas, and the like...the other problem with crossovers taking over is that whole cheaper end of the market is disappearing and those with lower income are less able to even afford a new car.

I get that everyone says the average purchase price for new vehicles that people have been paying has increased, but those with lower income haven’t gained any money to overcome that.

I’m not poor, but I’m not rich. I love my Accent because of what it is, a basic, reliable, cheap car....but even if I WANTED to go buy a new car, the only ones I could afford easily would be those listed above....and if companies kill cheaper cars like that off, I’m priced out of ever getting a new car....

dogisbadob > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:42

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

How did the Civic coupe last so long? I’ve actually seen a good amount of car seats in the back of 2-door Civics, quite a few family cars being the 2-door.

The Fit will be missed.

For Sweden > ranwhenparked
07/17/2020 at 12:50

D oes the Chevrolet Bolt count as a subcompact?

BaconSandwich is tasty. > punkgoose17
07/17/2020 at 12:51

To me, it's too racer-boy. Too many fake vents and unnecessary creases.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 12:52

Fuuuuuck

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often
07/17/2020 at 12:59

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/honda-fit-sales-figures/

Guess most are moving on to small crossovers.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 13:00

I could see an Accord 2.0 Sport manual joining our fleet at some point.

With Type R tune?

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 13:06

Below 20k you say...

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-BMW-Z4-M-d2162#listing=275939147

ranwhenparked > For Sweden
07/17/2020 at 13:13

Probably, I had thought of it more as a crossover, but I guess it isn’t really. That line is starting to get pretty blurred.

Victorinoo > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 13:25

Totally agree with you. I consider myself as doing well financially and I could not imagine comfortably affording a 25k new car plus insurance. I don’t know how other Americans do it. I don’t have kids, I drive a 1998 Lexus es300. Maintenance is easy, parts are affordable and it never breaks. I enjoy life with the money I save by not buying a new car.

ranwhenparked > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 13:28

Sooner or later, someone is going to come in and plug that gap. There was kind of a boom in companies trying to offer cheaper, more basic cars during the Great Depression, so as the pandemic restrictions stretch into 2021 and 2022 and maybe beyond, we could see a similar trend.

Also, the easiest way for a new company to enter the market has always been to hit the established players where they ain’t, which is increasingly the low priced end. As more companies retreat from the segment, the more opportunity there is for someone from, say, Malaysia, or India, or China to come in and claim it, like Yugo did in the late ‘80s.

Milky > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 13:30

No more FWD coupe s!

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/things-i-dont-understand-fwd-coupes-1505452566

Sad about the F it though.

BrooklynEagle > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 13:43

Now they’ll *definitely* have to pry my 2006 Accord V6 sedan with the 6-speed manual from my cold, dead hands. It’s no BMW, but with the hefty sway bars from an Acura TL-S bolted on it’s a damn fine daily.

CompactLuxuryFan > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 13:49

Oh no I’m kinda sad about the 2.0T manual Accord. I actually tried buying an Accord Sport manual as my first car out of college but they were nowhere to be found. I would in all likelihood still have that car right now.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
07/17/2020 at 14:34

126 is coming the second I get my own place and a garage! Money already saved up over the course of 13 years of scrimping and saving little bits here and there ! :D

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
07/17/2020 at 14:36

That’s used though. Our neighbours have one, cool cars :)

I’m talking about NEW cars for under 20K....they seem to be a dying trend. Especially as things start going all-EV....I’m not anti-EV, but at the present people on lower incomes could NEVER afford one. Things like the Leaf, Kona EV and Kia Rio EV here in Canada start at like $42k new!

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 14:44

Yay GTIs!

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Ash78, voting early and often
07/17/2020 at 14:47

Th e real reason is profit margin on the Fit vs the HRV or whatever the fuck they call their mini crossover.

Plus the crossover emissions are going to be way easier to hit in the coming years.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > ranwhenparked
07/17/2020 at 14:47

Are Minis even mini anymore?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > ranwhenparked
07/17/2020 at 14:48

This is true....all the EV startups...Rivian, Faraday, etc, etc have all been aiming at expensive EV SUVs and trucks though :(

...and I know the market is demanding tings like crossovers, trucks and SUVs compared to small cars in North America, but it just sucks for those of us that don’t WANT or need them.

I’m coming off a bit ‘old man’, I know, but, like I was saying to Borsuq earlier today, I worry cars are just becoming ‘appliances’ and that’s it, which saddens me. Yes, I know you can’t compare the performance or the like, but I think with current cars, people can still ‘have fun’ with whatever they drive and cars still have a little bit more individuality between brands, but I fear we’re losing that too ...

404 - User No Longer Available > facw
07/17/2020 at 14:48

I remember they did something really stupid with the Accord manual on the latest gen, but forgot what exactly. Something do with a parking brake warning or something. Must have ticked off a lot of potential buyers.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Victorinoo
07/17/2020 at 14:53

I’m Canadian, so things are even a little bit more expensive here.

I still live at home and have no real expenses other than a little bit of rent to mom every month and contributing to groceries and stuff. I’m here because I am saving up for a house, but almost all the income I have, I put into the bank for that huge future purchase, with a bit on the side to keep for gas and car maintenance and the like and a TEENY TINY bit I put aside once and awhile to give myself...(well, when there isn’t a COVID pandemic...) a little ‘me time’ (going to see a movie in the theatre) or a little gift to myself (a new computer game or eating out once and awhile or the like).

BUT, I’m a substitute teacher and, try as I might, still haven’t found a permanent job yet...so my income can be very varied from week to week if I don’t pick up a long-erm sub position or a Term position, or even several days during a given week. Considering the cost of a house and the fees associated with purchasing it...the furniture and upkeep and the like, there’s no way in hell I’ll be buying a new car....even a cheap one as I mention, for a LLLLllllOOoooOOooooNNNnnNNNnNnNNNnGGGGGGGgggGGggggg time...

Ash78, voting early and often > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
07/17/2020 at 14:54

That’s always the story. I’m actually going to miss the closest thing the US had to a real Kei car.

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ranwhenparked > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
07/17/2020 at 15:02

They’ve definitely grown beyond their original “ city car” category, but they’re still at least subcompacts.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 15:19

Ooh yeah, I was joking...That BMW will require a bunch of maintenance which a sensible new car will not.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 15:19

Ooh man, if you buy 1 I will likely come visit you :P I love small cars!

SpeedSix > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 15:22

Kinja'd!!!

The new Fit was unveiled October last year, and Honda stated that it wouldn’t be sold in the U.S., probably due to declining sales. Availability in Canada is unconfirmed, but unlikely.

It’s really too bad though, the new one is a lot sharper and styled more cleanly.

The next Civic is supposedly being readied for 2021, as according its typical life cycle.

facw > 404 - User No Longer Available
07/17/2020 at 15:29

May not matter if they were pissed off. A 1% take rate is pretty similar to the current overall manual take rate. Granted you’d expect it to be somewhat higher on the cars that actually offer a manual, but probably not much higher on non-sports cars. I think Kia said a few years ago that the take rate on their compacts was like 2-3% (and some of that is probably just people buying the cheapest new car they can get, which doesn’t exactly apply to the Accord).

hillrat > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/17/2020 at 17:22

My response to seeing this story was to go to the Genesis site to see what the offers are on the G70 w/ a manual.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
07/17/2020 at 18:53

You’re more than welcome to! Not sure where you are, but I imagine Nova Scotia is pretty far from you, as it seems to be with most Oppos :P

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/17/2020 at 19:18

One more road trip, yea!

Kinja'd!!!

I have a friend in NH who I can crash with, so its completely doable :)

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
07/17/2020 at 20:14

A little longer than your plotted trip too, I’m about an hour to the left down the coast from your Nova Scotia dot on that map :P

BUT, if you ever come up here, do the Cabot Trail up north in Cape Breton...gorgeous!!!

arl > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
07/18/2020 at 10:44

I haz a sad.

I sort of blame the car companies & dealers though. I’ve tried finding a manual Accord on the local lots a few times. Nope, nada. Not a single one to be found. It’s almost like they never wanted to make them or sell in the first place.