I wonder what happens now at Petrolicious...

"Sinanigans" (Sinanigans) 07/10/2020 at 16:27 • Filed to: None

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While I was super disappointed with the founder’s less than tactful tweet about BLM a couple weeks back, I felt like his apology was sincere. The guy is an Iranian immigrant, and likely experienced some form of racism since coming to the states. That’s certainly NOT an excuse AT ALL, and he really should have known better (especially since he is an immigrant).

But, should he have had to step down from his own company? On the one hand, I do realize that many companies become much bigger than their owners (like Petrolicious). On the other hand, it was his baby, and he did create it, and turn it into the beautiful channel it is today.

I reeeeeeally hope Petrolicious continues to release beautiful content.

Do we keep pushing Cancel Culture? Or should we give people a second chance to redeem themselves. Curious to see what fellow Oppos think...

EDIT: Just saw some of the other shit he posted... pretty shitty things to say indeed. But for conversation’s, what do chaps and chappettes think of Cancel Coulture? 

dogisbadob > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:43

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see also Goya

Sovande > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:43

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Have a good one! 

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:48

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Eh, fuck him. He made his shitty bed, now he can lie in it. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:48

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Case by case basis. The response to a poorly aged remark from 30 years ago should not be the same as a sex scandal. In this case, he didn’t read the room or the political climate. Second chances are in order, but ultimately it is a business decision about preserving the brand.

The Snowman > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:50

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Yes we keep cancelling racists. While his post seems  sincere I feel that most racists would be capable of putting together a paragraph of non racist text. Just because this guy is an immigrant does not mean he can’t be a huge asshole (pretty much confirmed) and or a racist. He does not have to step down he has every right to stand on the bow and watch his ship sink. I'm glad for all the company employees that he cares enough to leave and let it float on without him.

A Boy and His Longtail > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:50

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I’m all for second chances after how many I’ve been given. I mean how else are we supposed to grow as people?

The Snowman > dogisbadob 07/10/2020 at 16:53

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Yep they need to drop the CEO like an anchor. White dollars don't keep them going if they lose Latinos buying their products they are done.

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:54

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When large women found the limits of yoga pant stretchability the lululemon founder made a comment that hurt their feels and got ousted from his own company as well. He still owns the largest mansion in BC afaik, so don't feel too badly for him, but once you make over 100k a year you should probably just stay the hell off of social media altogether or risk losing it all over essentially nothing.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:55

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Not that I read literally everything about his dumbass statement and the fallout thereafter, but I don’t recall numerous cries for his head over this.

I did un-sub from their YT channel. But I was also willing to wait and see what he/they did next and should it be appropriately contrite, I would have been okay with following them again.

fintail > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:55

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How about people are free to say what they want, and people are free to vote with their wallets?

I find it amusing how “cancel culture” is this new bogeyman from the so-called right, when really, voting with your feet is the foundation of a free economy and free society . One would think the “right” would be happy we all have such freedom. Oh yeah, it involves accountability, something that direction preaches but doesn’t practice.

Personally, I find the “The CEO” title in that tweet to be amusing and a little pretentious, to match the site itself . Anyone can be a CEO, not impressed. The un-self-aware dummy is free to make the comments he wants, and I am free to patronize him if I want, or never view his site again, if I want. Not sure why this is difficult.

lone_liberal > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:58

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What you call cancel culture in this case is the desire of some to not give money to someone who spouts what they consider abhorrent thoughts . I think that’s a reasonable course of action and one that people of all political stripes follow. Piss off enough people and then the bot tom line is threatened and that’s when real action is taken. So, in the end, it’s a market driven outcome. All hail capitalism! 

RPM esq. > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 16:59

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I cannot imagine a world in which I feel bad for racist assholes experiencing consequences for their actions.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 17:05

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Burn it to the ground. 

Sovande > Dead_Elvis, Inc. 07/10/2020 at 17:05

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Precisely. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 17:06

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I never knew Cancel Culture was a thing before the Dixie Chicks. And before Cancel Culture received its brand, how many times had I crossed someone (alt-rightish) on F acebook only to be immediately blocked? So yeah, let the right decry Cancel Culture, but they invented it.

PatBateman > The Snowman 07/10/2020 at 17:07

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Yes we keep cancelling racists.

Nah. The Philadelphia Eagles just lets them give a half assed apology and/or then gives them a new contract.

smobgirl > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 17:08

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I think there are plenty of folks who aren’t racist assholes who now have an opportunity to lead the company. Sounds fair to me.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/10/2020 at 17:08

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As far as I am concerned, the right invented Cancel Culture in their response to the Dixie Chicks. Will any Trumpies cancel Trump when he’s out of office?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 07/10/2020 at 17:09

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People type s**t on social media and have zero idea what they sound like, how they come across, what the impact  will be. And our youth are now inculcated in that kind of thing. We’re so screwed. But to everything you wrote there, “Yes.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 07/10/2020 at 17:10

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Well said.

PatBateman > The Snowman 07/10/2020 at 17:10

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I really don’t think most Hispanics will be pulling their money from the brand. Most people don’t care what he said, don’t know what he said, or don’t participate in “cancel culture”.

Also, some will agree with the CEO, so there’s that, too.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RPM esq. 07/10/2020 at 17:11

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But do you not require yourself here to make a judgment?

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/10/2020 at 17:11

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I think after 45, the most Rs will be like ex-occupied France in 1946 - oh, none of us were collaborators, and we know nobody who was in cahoots with the occupiers. Nope, we resisted!

Deplorables getting mad at their Yeti coolers was another good one.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 07/10/2020 at 17:12

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There is soooo  much content out there to choose from... Unrelated, but related, I never thought I would, but I quit Motor Trend On Demand because they just got lame. So much content.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > smobgirl 07/10/2020 at 17:13

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Or who at least don’t present themselves as racist a**holes... It’s a pedantic, semantic distinction, but there’s no personal judgment involved.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > A Boy and His Longtail 07/10/2020 at 17:14

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We grow as people when we recognize the impact our actions have on another and take ownership once we have and then pay the wages thereof. And then don’t do it any more. By now, it’s not like anyone hasn’t been warned.

jminer > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 17:28

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I’m very ok with Cancel Culture. For the longest time celebrities, CEOs and so on faced zero consequences for their actions and that is awful.

I think finally punishing people for their actions is ridiculously overdue and we’ve frankly got a long way further to go to actually hold people accountable .

i86hotdogs > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/10/2020 at 17:44

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Shocked the nickname “Trumpets” never picked up steam. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 17:46

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There is a weird crossroads. There almost needs to be some sort of penance. Depending on the situation, firing someone may be too extreme, but at the other end of the spectrum putting an apology up isn’t enough. There are folks that want all the perks of social media and their personal brand, but none of the costs or responsibilities. I never knew who this guy was till he started doing videos due to filming restrictions. you want to combine your face with the company, be prepared for the responsibilty. At a very early age, my dad told me, “if you ever do something (negative) and get your name in the paper, youre in a world of shit”

what I find interesting is people surprised by the rise of “cancel culture”. celebrities what direct access to fans, well that goes both ways.

I almost wonder if its an extension of people are fed up at watching celebrities, get away in the past for shit that they themselves would serve jail time or serious penalties. But if celebrities, want to lay it all out on the line, well you’re going to be called an asshole, when youre an asshole.

It isn’t like he assualted someone or got caught down at the aquarium.

i86hotdogs > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 07/10/2020 at 17:46

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I like your thought, but that 100k bar is a little low. I know some dummies who have mad e that much just by working overtime consistently. 250k would be a better line IMO

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > fintail 07/10/2020 at 18:00

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Even the phrase “cancel culture” is something I see strictly used only by the ultra conservative folks I know. But as you said it really comes down to what conservatives claimed to stand for until very recently, and now they have a problem with it.

Nobody, NOBODY, is forcing this guy out. As a company they’re making the decision it is better for their dollars and cents that he step down, because of the PR nightmare he created for himself.

There is no right in this country to not be criticized for your words or actions. Nobody harmed his person - people simply decided they didn’t like the BS he was spewing and that they would rather take their viewership and $$ elsewhere. And the company decided that they need to do damage control to protect their bottom line. No government involvement, nothing. That is conservative basics 101.

Literally - what more/else are people speaking out against this expecting? The guy was welcome to not step down. 

CalzoneGolem > The Snowman 07/10/2020 at 18:11

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Cancel them all.

fintail > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 07/10/2020 at 18:12

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I see “cancel culture” up there with “snowflakes”, made to incite - most who throw the term around are most guilty of it, themselves. These are terms based in hypocrisy.

That’s exactly right. Bigmouth no forethought guy isn’t being forced out. The company is making a decision, and he doesn’t even really sound put out. I see no reason for outrage here. Rich guy steps down from his position and remains a rich guy, free to do what he wants, and those irritated by him are free to not buy it. He’ll almost certainly be fine, just inconvenienced and maybe thinking before he speaks in the future . This is the “freedom” the right claims to love.

The Snowman > PatBateman 07/10/2020 at 18:22

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Is there a link to what this guy said? Also everyone knows Philly is the worst. I have seen like a hundred documentary episodes about it.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > fintail 07/10/2020 at 18:33

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“ This is the “freedom” the right claims to love.”

In word, yes. In action, what they truly want is the freedom to  be an atrocious asshole without consequence.

50ford500 > fintail 07/10/2020 at 18:50

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I totally agree people should vote with their feet and pocketbooks but it seems to my eyes it’s become more of a witch hunt at this point is my problem. Maybe I am not looking at it from the right angle or aren’t as committed to my foundation but if I voted entirely that way I wouldn’t have many movies to watch, or music to listen to for example. I can overlook people’s opinions and world views in order to enjoy content and yes even be friends with them. It becomes infantile when you blow up and demand someone’s head for saying something reprehensible. However and I may have missed some of what he said so I would appreciate correction if so but what is wrong with wondering if unborn black lives matter unless you’re an ardent pro choice advocate which admittedly ....I am not. True the heart of the movements going on may be pure and I certainly hope so but they also run the danger of being hijacked by extremists if not in some ways outright influenced. Are there not organizers already out there saying they are avowed marxists? I’m certainly not about to agree with that line of thinking either.

I’m really just tired of people left or right freaking out and calling each other names like we live in a kindergarten playground. But it’s been like that for decades at this point. It’s just reaching critical mass.  Treat others with respect and kindness above all. 

Gone > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/10/2020 at 18:53

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It goes wayyy back. In no particular order - LBGTQ TV characters, SB XXXVIII, The Simpsons , Beavis and Butthead, South Park, Target, Starbucks fucking X mas cups, Furby, rock music (!), Catcher in the Rye, Are You There God It’s Me Margaret, and on and on and on.   The Republican Party, the AFA, FRC, One Million Moms etc.

Realistically it’s just people trying to leverage capitalism. They just really angry when the other side does it too... So now it’s Cancel Culture and they’ve given a trendy name to what they’ve been doing for decades now.

For Sweden > Sinanigans 07/10/2020 at 19:16

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He just needs to post something against Uighu r s, then get purchased by Tencent

For Sweden > PatBateman 07/10/2020 at 19:17

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Which racist Eagle are we talking about here

DipodomysDeserti > PatBateman 07/10/2020 at 20:09

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Not sure about that. One  of the owners of our local soccer club was forced out after he came out in support of Trump. This was several years ago.

sn4cktimes > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/10/2020 at 20:35

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I miss when MT was on YouTube, but I understand they wanted to better monetize their product.

PatBateman > For Sweden 07/10/2020 at 21:13

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I left it purposely fuzzy, because you can apply it to either Desean Jackson or Cooper Riley.

PatBateman > The Snowman 07/10/2020 at 21:14

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Here’s one. Fun stuff, Nazis and Farakhan!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2020/07/10/desean-jackson-penalized-by-eagles-anti-semitic-posts/5418092002/

For Sweden > PatBateman 07/10/2020 at 21:18

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I took this photo at an Eagles OTA

fintail > 50ford500 07/10/2020 at 21:19

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I agree a hysterical reaction can be a risk, but I am not sure I see any evidence of that playing out, at least not yet. If someone in a position of power and/or influence makes a statement without thinking beforehand, and the masses think it is wrong, that’s poor planning, not a witch hunt. These people should know better than to mouth off when everything can be remembered. Look into it, this guy made a dumb statement and got called out. He had poor judgment, and took the course that’s best for the company. He made a somewhat hollow apology, but at least he’s trying, and is somewhat owning it. It’s better than many, including certain ones who lie and claim they said nothing at all even when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary.

I can overlook political views when making decisions, too. I am not a fan of what has become of American conservatism in this century, but would I refuse to make a purchase simply because of someone’s political alignment? Nope, as I know not all on that side are bad. But if I see something by said person that opposes my values, if not decent evolved society as a whole, I can and will make a decision based on that. And my counterpart on the other side of the aisle is free to behave likewise.

Not sure how Marxism came into this, but I am unaware of anyone with legit political influence and leadership chances espousing truly Marxist views. Some may (rightfully) be noting that the trickle down fantasy has finally ran out and is a lie, but that’s not the same thing. The socio-economic structure in the US needs some work.

And I agree, treat each other with respect, give it to get it, and maybe just tune out the extremists (those who are really extreme to the point of not being constructive , which might not be what media channels claim) . Giving them real attention means they win.

PatBateman > DipodomysDeserti 07/10/2020 at 21:24

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That’s horribly stupid.  At the same time, that’s also why I don’t post political stances on social media.  Even though I’m middle of the road, all it takes is a tenacious asshole to make your life hell because they disagree with something you said.

PatBateman > For Sweden 07/10/2020 at 21:26

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What an absolutely amazing mixture of people.  Today, that pic couldn’t be taken.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Gone 07/10/2020 at 22:10

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I’m sorry, but I don’t quite follow you. Will you expound on that for me?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > sn4cktimes 07/10/2020 at 22:12

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And I was more  than happy to pay, but their staple productions, namely Roadkill, Roadkill Garage and Hot Rod Garage got moved to the back burner and the creativity and quality nosedived and all of a sudden, the things I went there for were not longer worth any effort. Add to that the fact that the other plethora of shows were all formula, cookie cutter shows with rude dudes and one token chick and I was like, “Bye.”

Gone > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/10/2020 at 23:22

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Holy cow I got Kinja’d on my response. Probably reminding me to avoid politi cal threads lol ...

A much short er version. Th e boycotting of various persons (or companies technically? ) is the end result of cancel culture, correct? P erhaps I misunderstand (probable). Ass uming that thought holds - conservatives/ conservative groups have been following the end result path for quite some time - boycotting music (Elvis’ hips), various books, movies, Target for trans bathroom rights , etc . Trying to bend corporations to their will threatening sales drops, bankruptcy, etc - the capitalism tie in.

Perhaps I’m throwin g t o much under the cancel culture definition and the boycott (and corporation side) are separate. Doubtful tha t helps .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Gone 07/11/2020 at 00:27

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Excuse me while I run out to the driveway and destroy my Keurig coffee maker...

sn4cktimes > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/11/2020 at 11:42

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Those were pretty much the only shows I watched of theirs. And I was JUST at the point of being willing to pay to start seeing them again when I heard about thei r shifting of priorities so I “meh’d” away from it.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > sn4cktimes 07/11/2020 at 12:21

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More disappointing than Meh. Really a letdown.