I think I want to replace the Boostang next year...

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390) 07/07/2020 at 13:35 • Filed to: future

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I’ve owned five 4 cylinder cars, three of which have been turbocharged, and the largest of which was 2.5L. All have been and still are fun in their own way (Okay, maybe not the Astra, but first car sentiments.....And the ST’s honeymoon phase wore off real quick), but I’m kinda getting bored of this trend in my life and finally wanna step in to the world of bigger engines and more cylinders for daily driving.

Problem is that my Mustang too damn good at what it does. 380hp and 410tq, averaging 23-26mpg typically, and a driving experience that makes every daily drive great , nothing else could compare nearly 4 years ago, and not much can easily today in my mind . And I don’t want to replace it because “I bought the wrong Mustang” or that nonsense, I’ve just grown tired of having conceptually the same engine so many times. T he Mustang was exactly what I wanted and even with issues here and there, it’s never disappointed me. It’s a tough act to follow in nearly every aspect.

My hope is that after I finish restoring the ‘64.5 by the end of this summer, I’ll have some spare coin to go with trading the Mustang in on something used that’s no more than $25k with a V8, RWD and manual as a new daily driver . So my thoughts are on an S550 GT (this platform is just great imo), a 6th gen SS (probs the most expensive of the options) at the high end, or an S197 GT (IF I can get past the live axle, and fewer creature comforts than I’ve got now) at the low end. I’d thought about 6 cylinder cars, but they always end up being P-cars (two is enough and I don’t need a third), and while I’m a fan of the V6 1LE........Ehhhhhhhh.

Of course this is all forward thinking and who knows what things’ll be like next year. Gotta get through this year first.

Grindintosecond > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 13:41

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V6 lotus?

Nibby > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 13:47

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replace it with a 5.8L engine swapped ford windstar

you’ll thank me later

Cash Rewards > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 13:51

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You don't want to take this too fast. Go for a 5 cylinder Audi tt (RS I believe I has 5?).

Thomas Donohue > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 13:56

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V8 Gen 1 Touareg.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 13:56

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C5Z06. Its way faster than a S550 GT coz it weighs 3300lb on the scales and the LS6 will do 27mpg highway as well. Test drive one, theres a bunch of them around the country.

vondon302 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 14:10

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I bet you could get a Boss302 for that money in a year or so. You will miss the boostang interior tho.

Just saying

;)

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 14:26

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Hmmm..... you could go a different direction ... couldn’t refuse the Doug spot.

3 Jeeps and a Mazda wants a Fiata > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 14:29

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Im partial to my one year only mish mash S197 2010

GT, I don’t like the sound of the 5.0 (fight me) and it cruises well despite the live rear axle (mines a track pack car so it’s better).

Tripper > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 14:33

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Hi

Tripper > Cash Rewards 07/07/2020 at 14:34

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It do

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:10

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You can get a pretty nice E9x M3 for that money...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 07/07/2020 at 15:19

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I’d thought about it or a C6 for a second (C5 more so) , but the interior is a very VERY hard sell coming from an S550. I can’t ignore the performance per dollar, but I can’t ignore the Mattel interior just as well.

I also prefer the hatch on the non-Z06.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 07/07/2020 at 15:22

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But aren’t those as archaic as a Challenger? I’d thought they were so old that it wasn’t a fair fight for them against the current crop of sporty cars. The V6 is a high revving engine, but every exhaust sounds like a Wookie mating call.

That said, everything I know about these I’ve read about online, and that isn’t much.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > vondon302 07/07/2020 at 15:23

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You’re not wrong. I’m apprehensive about alcantara interior bits, but I couldn’t say no to that Boss engine, and it’s probably the best handling live axle car ever made.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Tripper 07/07/2020 at 15:24

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I don’t wanna touch those rod bearings......I can put up with a lot of German DIY preventative maintenance, but this, the V10 rod bearings, and the Audi V8 timing chains are past the line I’ve drawn in my head.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/07/2020 at 15:25

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Rod bearings......

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Grindintosecond 07/07/2020 at 15:25

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Not as a daily driver in Michigan. That’s too far too extreme in the sports car category.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:26

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Fair enough...I never cared about the interior since its my autox (and maybe track) car.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 3 Jeeps and a Mazda wants a Fiata 07/07/2020 at 15:27

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I’ve read that the 4.6 without the track pack is a dog. The 5.0 sound is subjective (I like both), but the 4.6 is less power and torque than what I’ve got now tuned, and only equal to what my Boostang made stock. That’s not doing it many or any favors.

That said, yours is very clean!

Tripper > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:30

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Yeah I mean I had a bad time with mine but a bunch of other Oppos have had/are having the opposite experience. I’m partial to my E46 M3 and am currently DDing it. I was thinking of suggesting it, but it seems like you’re shooting for newer. Rod bearings are still something you do on the E46 but its not “fuckyou” expensive.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:30

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Fake news! LOL

Thisismydisplayname > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:32

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Cadillac ATS-V? Or a previous gen CTS-V? Both nice interiors and the CTS has the correct number of cylinders.

I had a first gen CTS-V and I loved it. The interior wasn’t as nice as the gen 2, but much much better than the comparable corvette.

No replacement for displacement as they say. I had a short spell where I drove an S4 with the 3.0T engine and it was a blast, but I pined for my v8s again.  

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:38

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Yes they are old. But they are one of the few true two seat sports cars out there. I have driven the 350, not the 370 and I can honestly say I was underwhelmed. It drove great but didn’t have the ragged edginess I am used to experiencing in my 240Z. The 240z at 150 HP is still one of the most engaging cars I have ever driven. 

sony1492 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 15:41

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Scat Pack

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 07/07/2020 at 16:05

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Fair enough. They seem to be very popular for that.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/07/2020 at 16:06

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Alternative facts! Provide them! 

wafflesnfalafel > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 16:16

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C learly the next obvious step would be a 5 cyl Audi or Volvo, right? You don’t want to rush into more cylinders too quickly.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 16:18

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My 127k ‘08 M3 is still on original clutch, RBs & throttle actuators.

[knocks wood]

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > sony1492 07/07/2020 at 16:23

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Toooooo big

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 07/07/2020 at 16:55

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If the 350Z was underwhelming, that doesn’t give me much confidence regarding  the 370Z

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 17:01

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New plan....import and DD a Citroen 2CV or Piaggio Ape...?

I mean...2 cylinders or 1 cylinder is different than 4? :P

vondon302 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 17:09

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The alc an tara   steering wheel was such a stupid idea. I hate it.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 17:34

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Point, still I’d like to drive a 370z to see for myself. I’d also like to try a NISMO Juke, a WRX, and a honda civic Si. As much as I like the Mustang I think the V8 mustang would be too much power if that’s possible. 

MUSASHI66 > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 07/07/2020 at 17:47

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AWD Nismo Juke with CVT was dog shit. Such a shame because it looks cool and has nice seats and the price was right. 

Dr_Watson > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 17:51

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The nismo version is the only one worth having. I spent some time with one on track and they perform pretty decent. Problem is at that point you're looking at $30k. So there's plenty of better options.

3 Jeeps and a Mazda wants a Fiata > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 18:40

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You’re correct, without the track pack it has 3.31 gears, 3.73 with it so the regular ones feel terribly slow . Its why back then it could outrun the challenger and nearly ti e the Camaro in 0-60 times and not get embarassed by either in the quarter mile. After having a heavily tuned boosted car (Mazdaspeed3 stage 2+) I realized anything more than 300 horsepower is useless in everyday driving.

Thanks for the compliment!

sony1492 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 19:15

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10" isn't that much in the grand scheme

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 19:28

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When I just purely think of what Ive wanted in a daily on paper lately ; an ecoboost checks the boxes.

However what I find far more dream worthy, and what I want you to buy for my oppo reading enjoyment, is an ATS-V(you decide on coupe or sedan ). It’d be tough to find one for $25K but $30-33k is the low end and I think that’ll come down some over the next year. Slightly smaller than the Mustang, turbo V6, manual, Camaro in a suit. Magnetic ride. Pretty reliable from what I’ve read. Still not abhorrent fuel economy. 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > sony1492 07/07/2020 at 21:03

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We are still talking about cars, right? 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/07/2020 at 21:04

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Kiss of death

sony1492 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/07/2020 at 21:18

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K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Tripper 07/07/2020 at 21:46

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Even the E46 has that issue?? Most be a BMW racecar thing at this point haha. I’ve seen so many mixed opinions on this issue, it is to BMW what IMS is to Porsche.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/07/2020 at 21:49

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All the wood. Are you a statistical outlier or something?? That’s awesome! Perhaps do to regular driving or something?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > sony1492 07/07/2020 at 21:49

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...Isn’t it though?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle 07/07/2020 at 21:52

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Oh damn, I forgot about the ATS-V! Those cars are too damn cool to be Cadillacs (the coupe especially, but I wouldn’t say no to the sedan). Since I’ve already accepted any car I want next will have abysmal fuel economy in comparison, anything that can attain at least  20mpg average is acceptable. I’d imagine manuals would command a big enough premium to be well outta target budget.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 3 Jeeps and a Mazda wants a Fiata 07/07/2020 at 21:56

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That’s true. At this point in my very short life, I’ve determined for myself anything around 400hp is perfect for me, and less than 300hp isn’t gonna do it for me. Anything more than 400 is just bonus points. But I didn’t know that about the 2010s! I thought they were slouches from 2005-2010.

I t’s great to have insight from real owners. Much appreciated!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dr_Watson 07/07/2020 at 21:57

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Yeah......the nismo premium is a very tough sell. At that pricepoint there’s just too many better options to consider. I am a bit curious as to how the non-nismos roll.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 07/07/2020 at 22:00

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WRXs were briefly on the radar as a strange outlier, as I’ve also never owned a flat-4 or AWD car. But those motors have concerning Achilles’s Heels if I ever felt the itch for more power; the old 2.5 and newer 2.0 equally to me.

And I don’t think I’ll ever go back to FWD at this point.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > vondon302 07/07/2020 at 22:01

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Agreed. Headliner and seats (sometimes....) I can literally handle....Steering wheels are just too much for me. How do you maintain yours?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 07/07/2020 at 22:01

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You’re not wrong......But....

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/07/2020 at 22:56

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LOL

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/07/2020 at 23:02

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I don’t think I’m that much of an outlier. I’m the 2nd owner, live in a not super cold place, and always let it come up to temp before I get on it.

I’m of the opinion that some of these motors were doomed from the start due to the tight tolerances, heavy oil, and errors in assembly (over- tightening bolts). I must’ve gotten one of the good ones (others have gone 200k+). 

That said, I probably will get them replaced preventively at some point...

3 Jeeps and a Mazda wants a Fiata > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 00:18

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Not that i wouldnt like 400 hp especially up here in Denver but even with 315 to it feels more than adequate. I think my biggest complaint and this goes for the 5.0 too is low end torque. These engines just arent as good at making it as like t he LS or Hemis are. Midrange and the sound that comes out the borla stingers is intoxicating.

pip bip - choose Corrour > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 04:08

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Mustang V6!

:P

My bird IS the word > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 06:01

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Imo the low end torque makes v8s more fun than high- revvers. Maybey its because i get so few opportunities to wind cars out...

vondon302 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 06:29

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Honestly I kinda just gave up. My detail guy did a good job bringing it back a year ago. What he did I don't remember. 

Tripper > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 07:10

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$600 diy $1600 indie. I’ve had mine 14 years and I’m just thinking about doing it. I almost bought a 997  with the IMS issue but PPI said NOPE. These cars were talking about are too good to scare me off.

nerd_racing > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 07:22

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What about a 6MT V8 Challenger? 

sony1492 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 08:45

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Th e difference of that much space is only a few percent of the total length. The mustang is 15.6ft long, the dodge is 16.3

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > sony1492 07/08/2020 at 09:10

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That’s fair, but it’s also nearly 600lbs heavier. 

sony1492 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/08/2020 at 10:50

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Purge the weight with power, the 6.4L is 488 at the crank.  I understand not wanting one though its big, probably not built well, and definitely won't handle well compared to the cars you've owned previously 

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 08/18/2020 at 16:35

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Here’s my suggestion... A VW Beetle with the “half a Lambo V10" I5 engine;

A nice, low mileage one like this is only around $11K.

I rented a Beetle a while back with this engine and it was pretty sweet.