UPDATED - Oppo, I have a confession...

"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike) 06/29/2020 at 18:35 • Filed to: Timing Belt

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UPDATE: I pulled the ma nual out of the glovebox and actually looked at the chart (as I’d been going by memory):

What I take from this: Timing belt section says to check ‘Note 2' and ‘ Note 2' seems to suggest at every 60,000kms, ‘I’ and at every 90,000kms, ‘R’....

Now, the Legend at the top of the page says ‘I’ stands for ‘Inspect’ and ‘R’ stands for ‘Replace’, so, unless I am misreading it, it’s INSPECT the belt every 60k kms and REPLACE every 90k kms. My last belt change was done at 96,000kms so I should be good for another 10k kms, thankfully! :D
 

Original Post below:

....I was just checking to see when my next oil change is due (500kms)....and found out I am 20,000kms overdue on a timing belt change 0_o

Car is at 174,500kms and last time it was changed was 96,000kms, recommended interval after the first change is 60,000kms.

Chances poor Humdrum’s engine is going to explode in the next week until I get an appointment?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 16:38

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Interference engine?

If no, then drive until it breaks.

I better check on my own car since I'm pretty sure the owner didn't do the 100,000 mile service only to get it repo'd 2,000 miles later.

bob and john > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 16:39

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send it. :D 

sony1492 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 16:41

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What ive read after owning a couple elantras is, inspect every 30,000 (miles) replace every 60,000(miles).  Either way you should be fine

facw > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 16:43

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Oops...

Hopefully the chance is low? Maybe your low heat environment minimizes wear.

Though 60,000km interval seems really low. The interval on my Volvo is 120,000 miles (some are 150,000), and even VW’ s 60,000 miles  is 50% more than what you are talking about .

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 16:47

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As long as it doesn’t break, no harm will be done.

And if it’s a non-interference engine, even if it does break, harm probably won’t be done.

What is the year, make and model of the vehicle we are discussing?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > sony1492 06/29/2020 at 16:57

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I had downloaded a Word doc somebody had supposedly done up for my car once that said 96k kms for the first one and then 60k kms after that, but that did seem a bit low to me, so I’m going to look it up again....maybe ask the local Hyundai dealership for sure....

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > bob and john 06/29/2020 at 16:58

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That could end poorly :P

Can’t really afford a full engine replacement, so better safe than sorry....going to double-check that it is due now and book an appointment if it is!!!

sony1492 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 16:59

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It wouldnt make sense  for the replaced timing belt to suddenly be less reliable then the original

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/29/2020 at 16:59

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Interference, yes.

Yeah, best to get it done....$1000 is a lot, but it’s a lot cheaper than $3000 for a new engine replacement...

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 17:08

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Even CAD that’s a lot for a belt and labor. Maybe I’m just a noob but does that seem like more than you would expect? It’s not engine out is it?

Just looked it up and mine isn't interference which is good, but tows are expensive. Might want to look into that. History is mostly unknown.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > facw 06/29/2020 at 17:21

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OK, I was going by memory, mostly...just went out and got the User Manual...

Timing Belt says to refer to Note 2

N ow that I look at it (I was going by memory), Note 2 says ‘Inspect’ every 60,000kms and ‘replace’ every 90,000kms...is that what you take from it as well?

(The ‘Legend’ for what ‘I’ and ‘R’ mean is along the top)

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > facw 06/29/2020 at 17:21

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OK, I was going by memory, mostly...just went out and got the User Manual...

Timing Belt says to refer to Note 2

N ow that I look at it (I was going by memory), Note 2 says ‘Inspect’ every 60,000kms and ‘replace’ every 90,000kms...is that what you take from it as well?

(The ‘Legend’ for what ‘I’ and ‘R’ mean is along the top)

wafflesnfalafel > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 17:23

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50k miles between timing belts is not too bad . My wife’s old Acord she got before we were married had nearly 100k miles (so 160k km) before it’s first new timing belt... oopsie...

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 06/29/2020 at 17:23

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2009 Hyundai Accent hatch with the Hyundai/Kia G4ED Alpha II 1.6L 4-cyl.

I seem to remember that it IS an interference engine.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > sony1492 06/29/2020 at 17:25

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I just looked in the User Manual:

It says to see ‘Note 2' for the Timing Belt....

‘Note 2' seems to say ‘Inspect’ at 60k kms and ‘Replace’ at 90k kms....or so the Legend along the top seems to indicate for what ‘I’ and ‘R’ stand for....is that what you take from it as well?

Sorry if I sound like an idiot, just trying to be more safe than sorry :P

90k kms would make sense for replace though, considering the FIRST built change was at 96,000kms...

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/29/2020 at 17:31

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$1000-$1500 is pretty par for the course for timing belt changes on most cars, sadly. It’s not engine-out on my car, no. It’s about the price I would expect, roughly.

Mine is interference, so that would mean major engine damage if the belt did snap... :(

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 17:34

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I’ve never had one done, but it still surprises me. I wouldn’t quite think that expensive.

There goes your Polsky Fiat fund :(

Well, hopefully you have an emergency repair fun d.

sony1492 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 17:45

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So you're do for an inspection of the belt but not necessarily replacement 

facw > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 18:05

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Looks like it.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/29/2020 at 18:08

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It actually seems the belt needs to be INSPECTED at 60K intervals and CHANGED at 90K intervals...if that’s the case, then I’m still good on getting it changed for another 10K kms :)

Pulled the manual out of the glovebox and it has this (as I’d been going by memory) :

Timing belt section says to check ‘ Note 2' and it seems to suggest every 60,000kms, ‘I’ and every 90,000kms ‘R’, according to Note 2....

The Legend at the top of the page says ‘I’ stands for ‘Inspect’ and ‘R’ stands for ‘Replace’, so, unless I am misreading it, I’d have 90,000kms from the last time it was replaced (which was 96,000kms) until I have to change it again.....which would be 186,000kms, and Humdrum is at 175,000kms, so I think I’m good! :D

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > sony1492 06/29/2020 at 18:09

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Yup, that’s what I took from it! Takes a bit of a load off my mind, haha! Still no school until the fall....schools have been closed since March here due to COVID, so no sub teaching for me right now, but I am trying to get back into my computer work side-gig as restrictions are being eased here a little and I need to do a lot of driving for that!

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 18:13

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Yup... according to this list:

http://yourcarangel.com/2014/07/interference-engines-complete-list/

everything Hyundai makes is an interference design.

Also double checked it with this guide:

https://assets.gates.com/content/dam/gates/home/resources/resource-library/catalogs/timingbeltreplacementguide.pdf

Though Hyundai DID have one model/engine that was non-interference... the 2nd and 3rd gen Hyundai Sonata with the 3L V6 from Mitsubishi.

So on that basis, get that timing belt replaced ASAP.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 18:27

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It certainly makes your bank account happy.

My car may still be on its original timing belt but non interference so I'm not too worried. 121,700 miles is a lot though so I might want to get it looked at.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 06/29/2020 at 18:37

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I just updated my post, seems it’s INSPECT every 60K kms and REPLACE every 90K kms, so I would actually have another 11,000kms to go before I have to get it replaced, based on when my last one was done (95,000kms) :)

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > facw 06/29/2020 at 18:37

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Yay, I’m good for a little bit longer then....load off my mind!

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/29/2020 at 18:38

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Yeah, even if non-interference, still a pain if you’re suddenly out a car for a day or two until the garage can sort it out / the cost of paying for a tow...

I have CAA, luckily, so I get 8 free tows/calls to a tow truck a year, though I’ve never had to use any for actual tows....did use them twice for flat tires though...luckily both in my own driveway and I wasn’t in a rush to get anywhere, haha!

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 18:43

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I had a factory original one go at close to 17 0k, In my defense, the shock tower had a sticker saying it had been done at 90k.  Whoever did it just applied the sticker.  (honda b20z engine was fine by the way)

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 18:49

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Yeah, come to think of it, in that second link I provided, the interval is in miles... so you change it ever 60,000 miles (it’s a US publication) ... which is around 97,000km.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 06/29/2020 at 18:50

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Is any modern motor not an interference motor? Seems damn near everything past 1970 has been interference.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 18:59

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That's good. How much is your per year subscription? An abundance of caution is good however.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Future next gen S2000 owner 06/29/2020 at 19:25

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There are plenty of non-interference motors... like the Ford CVH engine found in the Escort and Focus.

Or the lower performance versions of the Mitsubishi SOHC 3L V6 or the V6/hybrid in some Toyota/ Lexus vehicles.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/29/2020 at 19:47

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My brother, mom and I have a family plan...I think it’s like $800 a year?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 06/29/2020 at 19:48

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Still sucks to have one go, fine or not as you still get the tow fee (depending) and the lack of a car temporarily...

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 20:31

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Not bad. Come to think of it, I have something like that as well but I just forgot. I don’t recall the overall cost.

That one time my car got towed for being illegally parked it was like $300 or more to get it released. And that’s Ameribucks, bucko. Puts it into perspective that 8 tows is a pretty amazing deal, at least compared to the extortionist  prices of being on the wrong end of the law.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/29/2020 at 22:16

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My Volvo 850s was 20k miles (so like 32k km) and like 7 years overdue and it was still chugging along. Im not saying I advise going over, but going over a little bit shouldn't be the end of the world. 

Longtime Lurker > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/30/2020 at 02:35

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But how many years has it been since the belt was replaced?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Snuze: Needs another Swede 06/30/2020 at 07:04

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Y eah, I looked into it more and I’m actually fine...I’m not yet up to the time interval since the last change (i.e. 72 months yet. I last had it done in 2015 (I forget what month), but even 72 months from January 2015 would be this coming January 2021, so I’m still good there. As for kms, it’s replace every 90,000kms (inspect at 60k kms) and I’m at 175,000kms with it having been replaced at 95,10 0kms last time, so I should still have about 10k kms left :)

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Longtime Lurker 06/30/2020 at 07:06

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It’s still OK time-wise as well, actually. I had it last changed at 95,100kms in 2015 (I forget what month), but 72 months from even January 2015 would be still be this coming January (Jan. 2021) :)

Snuze: Needs another Swede > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/30/2020 at 08:11

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For some reason my original reply didn't post.  When I opened my Oppo tab it was still sitting there, so I posted.  Then when I refreshed the page I saw your update.  Glad to hear you have a bit more time to go. 

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Snuze: Needs another Swede 06/30/2020 at 08:17

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I’ll forgive you, I guess.....but only if you send me cookies.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 07/01/2020 at 10:21

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I’ve luckily never got a ticket...yet! But yeah, the 8 tows thing is ridiculous....lol. Super nice knowing I have them though!

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 07/01/2020 at 10:32

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8 tows in a year would be unfortunate. I don’t think even Sony’s old Mini Clubman JCW was towed that many times in a year.