"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
06/28/2020 at 18:07 • Filed to: None
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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
06/28/2020 at 18:07 • Filed to: None | 0
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But I’m watching Pocono because there’s nothing else on TV. I know that oval racing is a different animal from F1 or whatever, but why don’t they just put some rain tires on the car and go racing?
MultiplaOrgasms
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:13 |
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I guess this has to be some safety related issue, 42 3500lb cars traveling at average speeds in the 150+mph range in wet conditions seem like a terrible idea.
For Sweden
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:14 |
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Because ovals are different. F1 cars can’t even handle ovals in dry weather.
Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:16 |
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On ovals the cars spend so much time near the limit, the speeds are so high, and runoffs non-existent, that rain+ovals just is a bad combination. Indy stopped doing it long ago, but they did at one time.
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ttyymmnn
> MultiplaOrgasms
06/28/2020 at 18:16 |
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Then they’ll just have to drive slower.
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ttyymmnn
> Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
06/28/2020 at 18:17 |
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Why can’t the drivers just go slower?
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ttyymmnn
> For Sweden
06/28/2020 at 18:17 |
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IIRC, it was Michelin that couldn’t handle the oval.
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MultiplaOrgasms
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:18 |
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Thats not how motor racing works lol.
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For Sweden
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:19 |
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Because you would slide down an already-slick banked turn.
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ttyymmnn
> MultiplaOrgasms
06/28/2020 at 18:20 |
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I watched a replay of the 2008 Belgian GP, where it rained in the last three laps and wreaked havoc on the end of the race. Laps on slicks were 30 seconds off of that they were in the dry. Which means that they drove slower.....
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Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:23 |
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Because then you lose.
farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:24 |
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because if it rains the crowds are less likely to be out there spending all their money on hotdogs and beer.
*shrugs*
i dunno.....i guess its mostly coz ovals are fucking boring if you run em slow
Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:25 |
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It’s a safety thing and when was the last time goodyear made a decent high performance tire that performed in the rain.
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ttyymmnn
> Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
06/28/2020 at 18:26 |
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Not if you drive less slow than the other guy.
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ttyymmnn
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/28/2020 at 18:27 |
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Eh, the rain at Pocono was so light, just slap some inters on and hit the road.
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ttyymmnn
> Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
06/28/2020 at 18:28 |
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Can’t answer your question, but it seems to me that the rain was so light today that inters would have been a great choice. I’m not suggesting they race on full wets in the rain, but just something to allow them to go out on a slightly greasy track. These guys are all great drivers. They’ll figure it out.
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Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:29 |
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Each mistake means a hard hit into a wall, not a trip through gravel.
lone_liberal
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:31 |
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The weight of the car plus the aerodynamic loading plus the load from the banking would wipe out a set of wets in very little time.
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ttyymmnn
> lone_liberal
06/28/2020 at 18:32 |
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I was thinking more about using inters, but that makes sense.
Poor_Sh
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:33 |
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Quit tryin ta take mu h freedoms!
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MultiplaOrgasms
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:37 |
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Lap times in the wet are always slower than dry. On a road course wet conditions are no big deal due to the much lower speeds. Nascar doesn’t work that way though. On certain tracks like Talladega races can reach average speeds of over 180mph, and that is over a 500 mile distance including multiple pit stops. Stock Cars famously don’t feature headlights and windscreen wipers, so driving those as fast as possible in rainy conditions is beyond dangerous.
Here’s a video covering the 1969 Talladega 500. It too featured the issue of tires not being able to safely handle the conditions of the track. Eventually most of the teams participated in a walkout, save for three drivers. Thats less than the 2005 USGP. The rest of the field was filled with lower division competitors in much slower cars.
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farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:41 |
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the laptime difference between slicks and inters is significant
going by f1 here... but its like half a minute a lap
Gone
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 18:58 |
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in the rain.
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ttyymmnn
> MultiplaOrgasms
06/28/2020 at 19:01 |
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Lap times in the wet are always slower than dry.
Right. Because they’re driving slower because it’s wet out. That’s my whole point. I was actually thinking more about using inters, not full wets. Seems like they would have been perfect for the conditions when they were trying to start the race.
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ttyymmnn
> MultiplaOrgasms
06/28/2020 at 19:02 |
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Actually, the fact that there is no run off on an oval makes all the difference.
WilliamsSW
> Gone
06/28/2020 at 19:09 |
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They don't win in any conditions.
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 19:13 |
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It was really more that they resurfaced the track making it more abrasive and Michelin had no data on the track and was making tires based on educated guesses. Bridgestone had tons of data on the new surface because they make the firestone tires Indycar used for tons of testing and the 500.
Discerning
> lone_liberal
06/28/2020 at 19:18 |
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There isn't anything that a tire manufacturer could develop. Granted, indycars weigh quite a bit less, but they generate much more downforce and hit much higher speeds and they have rain tires.
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lone_liberal
> Discerning
06/28/2020 at 19:23 |
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I’m sure they’re trying as it would save NASCAR a lot of money, but heavier cars with narrower tires generate a lot of heat and I guess they just haven’t been able to solve it yet.
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ttyymmnn
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
06/28/2020 at 19:30 |
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I thought it was more of a sidewall strength issue. But yeah, Ferrari had the benefit of basically their own private tire manufacturer for a long time.
Nothing
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 19:32 |
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At least they have rain tires for road courses!
The Snowman
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 19:44 |
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NASCAR's are pretty much undrivable in the rain. They do run rain tires on road coarses where the max speed is much lower than ovals. On an oval the cars can still get close to max speed with rain tires but the drivers would have no idea when it would crash.
Thisismydisplayname
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 20:24 |
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They tested wet weather setups years back, but never did anything with it. I think is has to do with the drivers not knowing how to operate the wipers or something like that.
But seriously, the cars aren’t setup for it, but they sure could be. The other series run in the wet, it would be interesting to see who can handle one of those cars in the wet.
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Thisismydisplayname
> MultiplaOrgasms
06/28/2020 at 20:26 |
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Lemans classes run in the wet but the lack of runoff may be a serious issue.
A Boy and His Longtail
> lone_liberal
06/28/2020 at 20:32 |
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I had the same question. That’s a pretty good answer. The lateral load from pretty much always being on a curve probably doesn’t help either.
dieseldub
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 21:22 |
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It’s an oval thing. Speeds too high, no run off areas, just walls and fencing.
IndyCar races in the rain... except if it's raining at an oval race. Then they do exactly as NASCAR does.
If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> ttyymmnn
06/28/2020 at 22:23 |
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If I had to hazard a guess, it’s because of how close the cars race compared to other series. Between reduced visibility and lower grip (no matter how good the wet tire ) it’d be wreck city.
shop-teacher
> ttyymmnn
06/29/2020 at 00:49 |
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Oval racing is already way more dangerous than road courses. Using rain tires would be pretty suicidal on an oval. Indy cars make regular use of rain tires on road and street courses, but in an oval that's a big no-go.
i86hotdogs
> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
06/29/2020 at 07:50 |
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did someone say hot dogs?