Why is the 2.0 even still a thing?

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
06/19/2020 at 12:53 • Filed to: None

The 2.5 in the 2021 sport gets 30 more hp (31 more lbs-ft) AND it gets considerably better mileage.

Also I guess I don’t get how the EPA does their numbers but wouldn’t 27/34 be a better combined number under any averaging scheme than 27/33?

I realize its city weighted and the actual numbers could be something like 29.1 vs 30.4 but still. At the very least you will be giving up little to nothing in the city with the 2.5 and gaining on the highway. I suspect in the mountain regions the city mileage on the 2.5 will be much better than the 2.0. Which begs the question...why even have it? does that 1 combined MPG number really help the CAFE scores that much?

DISCUSSION (53)

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:10

Tooling on the 2.0 is probably paid for, and it has a strong parts market..

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:10

Bigger question: Why doesn’t the Crosstrek have a turbo yet?

Love that car. Not enough power.

jminer > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:10

I loved the Crosstrek when I test drove one, it was a bit slow but not awful. I imagine the extra 30 HP makes it much nicer to drive.

It might also be a production capacity issue and I'd expect the 2.5 to get phased in and replace it in the next couple years.

bob and john > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:10

I wouldn’t say ONE MPG is ‘considerably’ better

shop-teacher > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:11

It’s there for cheapskates who want to save a few hundred and don’t know any better?

Chariotoflove > shop-teacher
06/19/2020 at 13:12

Yup.

RPM esq. > jminer
06/19/2020 at 13:13

I’m pretty sure the (auto, 2.0 ) Crosstrek is the slowest recent production car I’ve driven by some margin, but it’s not entirely the engine’s fault...if it’s available with a manual it would probably be better. Good looking, practical car otherwise, though.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:14

It’s what makes a Subaru a Subaru

Wacko > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:14

Guessing for MPGs numbers

When i test drove the Impreza i found the 2.0 was missing some power, so that’s why i didn’t even look at the crosstr ek(Which I really did like).

And went directly to the Forester, which i own now.

Wacko > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
06/19/2020 at 13:14

Crosstrek WRX should be a thing.

HammerheadFistpunch > shop-teacher
06/19/2020 at 13:16

but...how is it cheaper to offer 2 engines instead of just one?

ClassicDatsunDebate > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:16

Oppo: Jeep should never have retired the 4.0L inline 6.

Oppo: Why does Subaru still manufacture the EJ20

HammerheadFistpunch > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/19/2020 at 13:16

that has to be true of the 2.5 though, the engines are common core.

jminer > RPM esq.
06/19/2020 at 13:16

It wasn’t appreciably slower than the 2012 Focus I was thinking of replacing with it and it was considerably faster than the Prius C I also considered.

I ended up with a TDI sportwagen which is definitely quicker than the Crosstrek despite having similar horsepower figures .

HammerheadFistpunch > bob and john
06/19/2020 at 13:17

hey I would kill for one mpg. 14 mpg here I come!

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:19

My neighbor has a 2.0. He constantly complains how slow it is. Otherwise it’s been a great car for them.

HammerheadFistpunch > jminer
06/19/2020 at 13:20

man I can tell you here in the mountains its brutally slow. Like...my land cruiser slow. In fact I would bet loaded with 5 people each my land cruiser would take it in any race. Thats sad.

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
06/19/2020 at 13:21

So many people love the crosstrek, but the 2.0 is just not enough engine for that car. Car’s have gotten to the point where an NA 2.o even on the entry level car is just barely enough.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > bob and john
06/19/2020 at 13:21

If it makes you consider it, then it is!

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:23

Kinja'd!!!

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:23

Leftover parts? I’m pretty sure for the last year of the fiesta in the us they made a zetec Line because of a surplus of FiST parts from canceling the model.

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:23

Reminds me of the old Corolla’s engines. Really shouldn’t be plural tho because it was the same engine, just with VVT. They put it on the eco trim, got 8 more HP and better mileage ... that should have just been the car’s engine.

Kinja'd!!!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Wacko
06/19/2020 at 13:23

Yes.

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:31

What’s the cost difference? I’m betting the 2.0 is much cheaper.

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner
06/19/2020 at 13:33

it is, but mostly because the 2.5 is only available on the 2 nicest trims. but again, if you offer 2 engines how is that cheaper than offering 1? I t’ s not like the 2.5 is more expensive to make than the 2.0. They are the same engine with different displacements for all intents and purposes.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
06/19/2020 at 13:34

I just watched that on Netflix and it was as bad as advertised.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:37

So they can offer the manual to justify why people don’t buy manuals and ALL HAIL CVT!!!!

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:39

If it was 1980 and we had 55 mph speed limits it would be perfectly fine.

HammerheadFistpunch > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/19/2020 at 13:40

Thats the most credible theory to date. I suspect that the manual is the ONLY reason the 2.0 still exists. Though its not like they couldn’t just put the manual with the 2.5...they just don’ t wanna.

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:43

If the 2.5 is not any more expensive to produce than the 2.0 and still costs more, that’s why it exists. Profits. IIRC, The Crosstrek debuted with the 2.0, so all that R&D whatnot are paid for. Offering two increases profits while keeping the base MSRP relatively low, a key thing for all those sweet marketing campaigns . A MB that starts under 30K!

That’s my guess why it is still there, dolla bills yo!

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:48

Maybe, but the current 2.0 was introduced two years before the most recent 2.5, and was concurrent with the 2nd gen Crosstrek launch. It’s possible it was just used as a stopgap until the refreshed 2.5 was ready and they just kept it so they could charge a premium for the 2.5.

The Snowman > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:52

I haven't been driving my cream puff grand Marquis due to working from home and the Rona, I have just been driving the wife's Crosstrek since we haven't needed two cars (let alone our 6) I did a fleet oil change and took the Mercury around the block. I forgot that it is an absolute rocketship if you have only driven a Crosstrek for a month.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:52

It's not any more expensive to install a 2.5 but customers don't need to know that

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 13:53

It would take another round of EPA testing and that requires effort and money.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
06/19/2020 at 13:55

Because Subaru is very confused when it comes to putting speed in things that aren’t the STI

jeepoftheseus > RPM esq.
06/19/2020 at 13:57

Can confirm. My wife has a 2014 and, while very practical, it is slowwwww. Passing takes planning.

ClassicDatsunDebate > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 14:02

The real answer is China. Seriously. The the tax structure on vehicles means a huge jump if the displacement is over 2.0L, that’s why every single manufacturer has gone to a 2.0L Turbo to replace V6.

CompactLuxuryFan > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 14:07

I don’t see the 2.0 in the Crosstrek in the US going much longer. Hopefully the Impreza gets the 2.5 as well. Globally the 2.0 will surely live on.

bob and john > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
06/19/2020 at 14:09

id buy the bigger engine because that care is slow as shit and it needs all the helps it can get.

the MPG can get fucked.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > bob and john
06/19/2020 at 14:10

As someone who can barely crack 20mpg in a 2 liter turbo, I’m with you!

jminer > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 14:25

That’s fair, we only have hills here so it’s definitely easier.

RickSanchez:Fury Road Edition aka Junkrat > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 14:54

I know it’s not the case in the US, but some countries tax based on engine size. I guess they still offer it here because it’s already EPA approved and they have warehouses full of parts. I have seen stupider corporate decisions.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
06/19/2020 at 15:28

He’s just not driving it hard enough.

The girl I bought the Volvo from, holy shit. I had to ride with her somewhere for work, shes got a 2.0l Impreza hatch, and youd think we were in an STI. I wasn’t scared, she was a great driver, she’s just really quiet and shy around the office, but out on the highway, damn! It was like pedal to the metal, the whole ride.

DasWauto > RPM esq.
06/19/2020 at 15:34

Having driven a Crosstrek with a manual and the regular I mpreza with the CVT, the stick isn’t better, unfortunately. The Impreza is probably a only a bit lighter but from what I remember the Crosstrek felt 1000lbs heavier when trying to accelerate, which it doesn’t in other aspects of driving. I think the CVT probably has lower gearing from a stop, which makes it feels more sprightly than it is.

DasWauto > Snuze: Needs another Swede
06/19/2020 at 15:37

To be fair, vanilla 2.0 powered Subarus are some of the few cars you can drive pedal to the metal all the time and still not be in any danger of losing your license.

shop-teacher > HammerheadFistpunch
06/19/2020 at 15:40

I .... have no idea.

DasWauto > ClassicDatsunDebate
06/19/2020 at 15:41

*FA20.

The EJ20 is only used in the JDM STI at this point, I think.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > DasWauto
06/19/2020 at 15:59

True

bob and john > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
06/19/2020 at 17:15

...how?

If I drive my 3600lbs lexus like an ass I get 20mpg.

If i drive like i’m with ms daiy, I’ll get like...27

I hyp ermiled it one day and got like..42MPG on the freeway.

RPM esq. > jminer
06/19/2020 at 18:57

Good choice!

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > bob and john
06/19/2020 at 18:57

Boost is how.

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > jminer
06/19/2020 at 19:28

This is one of those things that boils down to details(mainly auto v manual) and how you define quick but an auto 2012 Ford Focus got to 60 in 8.0 in car and drivers tests and when they tested a CVT Crosstrek it got to 60 in 10.3 seconds!

That’s a brutally slow 0-60 time for a car in 2015.

I know that Subaru did some slight massaging and reprogramming and got it down to low 9s with the CVT.

The manual equipped cars are much closer; like 7.5 to 8.1.

wafflesnfalafel > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/19/2020 at 22:17

I t’s a conspiracy I tells ya!