"atfsgeoff" (atfsgeoff)
06/13/2020 at 23:33 • Filed to: None
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"atfsgeoff" (atfsgeoff)
06/13/2020 at 23:33 • Filed to: None | 1
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My mom had this exact same year and color of 5000S back in the early 90s. It was a very comfortable car, I remember specifically that the radio would turn on even with the keys out of it. I’d sit in the drivers seat of that car while parked in the driveway pretty often, pretending to drive, around the ages of 6 to 8.
To find one in the exact same spec, for under $2k no less, in perfect condition, is tugging at my nostalgia strings. What say you, Oppo? NPOCP?
Post quoted for posterity:
Up for sale is a well-maintained antique (I think at this point!) 1986 Audi 5000S with only 111,473 original miles. Our son bought the car to drive around town about 3 years ago and he has now purchased a newer car to travel to upstate NY. The Audi is located in Historic Bethlehem. For an older car, it is in excellent condition with the normal wear for a 33-year old car. Original paint and interior. Extremely clean inside and out as you can see from the photos. Last year it had new front brakes and calipers installed along with a new exhaust system. The electric window (motor) on the driver side has just been replaced as well. All maintenance has been done at Dave & Wayne’s in Bethlehem. Not many of these cars around and hardly ever in this condition. Clear title with no accidents. Feel free to contact us with any questions and thanks for your interest. - patrick
fintail
> atfsgeoff
06/13/2020 at 23:43 |
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NP even though it is probably already blacklisted from AAA and the risk potential is endless. Not many good survivors, it is 80s cool, looks really decent, cheap. No harm done. Maybe even something of a bargain for the enthusiast.
My W126 had the same type of radio setup where no key was needed. So does the fintail, must be an old German thing.
ranwhenparked
> atfsgeoff
06/13/2020 at 23:48 |
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I don't know, 60 Minutes says to stay away from them, and they're the ones I trust for all my news and consumer advice.
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atfsgeoff
> atfsgeoff
06/13/2020 at 23:59 |
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I had never even heard about the “unintended acceleration” BS about this car until after I graduated high school in 2003. Just like the Toyota unintended acceleration scare that followed, it’s always driver error.
Maxima Speed
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 00:00 |
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Oh yeah, go for it.
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ranwhenparked
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 00:12 |
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I don't know how Ed Bradley didn't lose his job over that, they blatantly fabricated most of the story and modified the cars to fake it on camera.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 00:20 |
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ooh, NP!
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atfsgeoff
> ranwhenparked
06/14/2020 at 00:30 |
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They did the same thing to Crown Vics in the mid 2000s with rear end collisions causing exploding gas tanks. Yeah, occasionally it happened when they got rear-ended by semi trucks going 75mph and plowing into the back of patrol cars parked on the shoulder during traffic stops. No car can be expected to survive that. But the reporters rigged their tests by welding a crow bar to the back of the trunk in an orientation to pierce the gas tank (between the trunk and rear seat) when pushed all the way forward into it, to get the tank to explode.
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 00:38 |
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That's a nice specimen. Worth the money sez I..
SmugAardvark
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 00:41 |
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Nice Price, all day.
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ranwhenparked
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 00:46 |
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Dateline did it with GM pickup truck gas tanks in the 90s, too. Used an incendiary device to set them on fire on cue during a crash test, and completely blew the issue beyond all proportion.
I think they also did a thing where they modified SUVs to flip over more easily, and built a safety scare story around that, too.
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atfsgeoff
> ranwhenparked
06/14/2020 at 01:11 |
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Yeah they fucked over the poor little Suzuki Samurai by rigging their slalom tests to get it to roll.
Beefchips
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 02:58 |
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NP all day. I mean, y ou can barely buy a bicycle for 2k!
Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
> fintail
06/14/2020 at 03:08 |
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Older VW’s as well.
pip bip - choose Corrour
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 07:16 |
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NP
tpw_rules
> atfsgeoff
06/14/2020 at 10:27 |
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While it couldn’t ever be 100% proved, I firmly believe as an embedded system engineer that the root cause of Toyota’s unintended acceleration was programmer error, and had nothing to do with mats or pedal confusion or whatever.
The software in the ECM was horrible. It violated basically all safe automotive software standards, and didn’t implement any of the redundancy necessary in such a safety-critical application. Now, there’s a task in the ECM whose job is to control the angle of the throttle plate. They found this task could die to memory corruption from any of the redundancy failures above, or due to hardware memory corruption from e.g. cosmic rays. These sorts of things happen when your system runs on 10 million devices for hours each day, and s afety critical systems (i.e. not Toyota’s) use redundant data structures and error correcting memory to eliminate this concern.
Safety critical systems also feature some sort of watchdog system which can reset everything to a safe state if a failure happens. Toyota’s software watchdog couldn’t detect most failures, and the hardware watchdog required the cooperation of the (now dead) task to make the situation safe. Some cars feature hardware safety circuits, which have no software to be buggy, that cut fuel if the driver slams on both the gas and brake. Toyota’s analog may (not definitely) have kicked in if you took your foot _completely off_ the brake.
If your ECM was programmed by Microsoft and it starts doing windows updates at 80 and you lose control of the throttle, sure, there are things you can do to help. Shifting into neutral would have worked, if the shifter had a physical linkage, and turning the key off and back on would have rebooted the ECM (with the danger of locking the steering and losing airbags if you crash with the key still off). Even slamming on the brakes should be able to overpower the engine in most cars.
But most people don’t know how to react to these situations, and IIRC the accident investigations showed the acceleration was relatively minor, so people just put their foot on the brakes for a while without realizing what was happening, thus boiling them and ensuring they wouldn’t work when things got really crazy. I assume you already know some of this info, but IMO you can’t blame the victims for the acceleration, and blaming them for being unable to recover it is fairly unrealistic.
A nice summary:
https://www.edn.com/toyotas-killer-firmware-bad-design-and-its-consequences/
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fintail
> Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
06/14/2020 at 14:03 |
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It’s a cool idea until you leave the radio on, ask how I know.