"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
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"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
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Mrs. Vandura supports my folding endeavors. She said, “That’s your gaming computer.” True, that, and the only true gaming I do is playing Sudoku on my phone. I want to increase my capacity. I can buy a 1080 ti GPU secondhand on Ebay for about $425. This guy does testing and it looks like the 1080 ti would be a good choice and double the out put of my 1060. Before I buy one of these, does anyone have any other suggestions? If I buy a 1080 ti, should I stick with a particular brand?
Thanks.
benn454
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06/12/2020 at 10:44 |
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I'd get an EVGA/Gigabyte/MSI over a factory Nvidia. They usually have extra fans and do less heat-trapping exterior plastic.
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> benn454
06/12/2020 at 10:47 |
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But your thumbs up on the 1080 TI? There's not some other GPU you would recommend?
facw
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06/12/2020 at 10:47 |
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I wouldn’t worry too much about brand. I’d expect you could get more points per watt with a newer card, but you’d probably pay more upfront as well. New 2070s and 5700XTs would be a bit cheaper than that 1080, but I don’t know how they compare in terms of PPD.
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> benn454
06/12/2020 at 10:52 |
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I’ve got two PCIe slots on my board and if the card were configured like the one pictured, I could tuck a second, “mini” GPU right up under it and not block any fans.
DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever
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06/12/2020 at 10:55 |
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Bang for the buck, 1080Ti is one of the best if you have the money.
Jason Spears
> benn454
06/12/2020 at 11:11 |
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Anecdotes online back this up, the blower style coolers are louder and less efficient. Folding is going to push the card hard, so unless you’re going to invest in an aftermarket cooler get something with two or three fans. I like EVGA, their ACX models have good, reasonably quiet cooling. I can simultaneously run the 980 and 960 in my system full tilt with no issues.
Here’s a GPU comparison chart I ran across.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub?output=html
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> DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever
06/12/2020 at 11:11 |
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I’d be buying it solely for folding. And Photoshop and normal computer use.
CalzoneGolem
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06/12/2020 at 11:19 |
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I’ve got this bad boy if you need it.
jminer
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06/12/2020 at 11:26 |
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The 1080 TI is a seriously badass card, big enough it made most of the current gen Nvidia stuff look meh.
I would also recommend you look at the AMD RX 5700 or the RX 5700 XT. The XT can put down about 1.2 million points per day and is a solid 1440p gaming card. They’re a good value (sub $400) new and it’s a bit less of a risk than a used 1080 TI.
That being said the AMD drivers aren’t as stable as the Nvidia drivers for gaming but the handful of games I play it works well and haven’t had many issues.
I have this one in my desktop - it’s a huge 3 slot card so it needs a big case but stays under 70C when folding full time.
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> CalzoneGolem
06/12/2020 at 11:31 |
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That ought to be worth at least 500 PPD.
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facw
> CalzoneGolem
06/12/2020 at 11:31 |
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Hmm, may be difficult to find an AGP slot these days. I’ve got a machine running that still has an (occupied!) PCI slot, but it’s been quite a while since I saw anything AGP.
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facw
> Jason Spears
06/12/2020 at 11:32 |
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Yeah not a fan of blower card designs, though I guess if the slot below is occupied, they may be ok.
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CalzoneGolem
> facw
06/12/2020 at 11:32 |
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Yeah I’m not even sure why I still have this.
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> jminer
06/12/2020 at 11:34 |
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Do you think the 1080 would be any faster or any more efficient than the 5700?
PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 11:36 |
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The 1080ti is a goddamn beast of a video card, especially considering it was launched over 3 years ago, it still puts out some serious performance! Here’s a good tool that will help you compare ppd for various cards.
https://foldingcoin.net/index.php/resources/profit-calculator
The 1080ti looks to average about 1.3m ppd .
Whereas your 1060 is good for about 384k ppd.
Just for reference you can pickup a 1080 non-ti for about $200 and they do about 810k ppd, so you may be better off getting two of those and sell the 1060, and spending less on the cards with some profit from the 1060.
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benn454
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06/12/2020 at 11:37 |
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1080ti is a really good GPU. It was the top of the line GPU of the previous generation and still benches well compared to 20-series cards costing hundreds more. It's about on par with a 2070 and only about 30% worse on average than a 2080.
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jminer
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06/12/2020 at 11:45 |
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The 1080 Ti it a bit more powerful than the 5700, but the 5700 uses about 25% less power than the 1080 ti.
The 2060 super is also a great buy at tha t $400 price point. The 5700 does beat it out in performance but you get the advantage of a more stable driver, better game optimization, RTX and it will use a bit less power yet than the AMD.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 11:53 |
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I have to figure out if my power supply would support that or if they would get enough cooling because they’d be right against each other in the case.
My power supply is 625 watts and has two six-conductor plugs joined with a splitter that makes the eight-conductor end required for the 1060 GPU. What are your thoughts on that?
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> jminer
06/12/2020 at 12:02 |
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That’s a tough call. I don’t want to be at 1M PPD, I want to be over 1M PPD. 1080 Ti is attractive to me for that reason. According to this aggregation, the 5700 XT is about 20% slower than the 1080 Ti, PPD wise.
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 12:08 |
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I believe most 108 0 non-ti cards have a single 8-pin power connector they’re rated at ~ 180 tdp . I don’t remember what CPU you’re running (haswell in the i7 476 0k range ?) either way, two 1080s will likely be below the 650 max output of that PSU but it will be pushing it pretty darn hard and it’s probably not recommended.
The 1080ti on the other hand consumes about 330 but pairing that with a 1060 will probably put you in the same overall range and stressing the 650 .
Anothe r small issue is that the 1080ti requires an 8-pin and a 6-pin power connector, which would leave you with using molex adapters for your 1060. That’s fine but something to consider.
Unless you’re willing to upgrade PSU you might not want to run two cards that consume a total of more than 33 0 watts. The single 1080ti would be okay.
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jminer
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06/12/2020 at 12:09 |
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The 1080 ti is a kick-ass card and impossible to beat price to performance right now. As long as you get one from a quality seller you should be good to fold and game with it to your hearts content, you will need a 750 watt power supply to go with it, but you can usually get one for less than $100.
MM54
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06/12/2020 at 12:18 |
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With a 2060-super and 7700K my client would estimate me at 1.4m when I was folding, a vast majority of that from the 2060S. For the same price as a used 1080ti you could get a new 2060super (unless things have changed recently)
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 12:19 |
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I don’t know what any of those plugs are called. I know that my PSU has a pair of 6-pin connectors that are joined by a 6 + 6 = 8 wye/splitter. My strong inclination is to buy a secondhand 1080 Ti and just run with that.
My CPU is a 12-core i5 Xeon.
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> jminer
06/12/2020 at 12:21 |
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My current PS is 625 watts. Do you think I can eek by? If I have to spend another $100 for a PS, then that messes with my plans.
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jminer
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06/12/2020 at 12:43 |
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What CPU do you have in the box now?
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 14:34 |
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I think going with just the 1080ti would be a great choice and find another use for the 1060 or dump it.
The connector is called a PCI-e GPU power connector and most PSUs do the 6+2 thing as shown.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 14:41 |
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Did you ever hear the story about my 1060 card? The Ebay seller who sent us one that’s all rusty and corroded? Still functional though, and folds 500k PPD on a consistent basis. I’ll keep my eyes open for something cheap that’ll support it and set it up later. Right now, in a dispute with Visa, the Visa folks seem to be taking my side. I don’t know yet whether the seller is going to want his card back.
My power supply has, I believe, two 6-pin plugs. 625 watts. Do you think 625 watts is adequate to juice the 1080 Ti? When I’m folding, I have the CPU slot disabled anyhow.
!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 15:02 |
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Yes, I do remember that corroded card, I was floored when I saw it....like it had been living outside. I’m shocked that eBay wouldn’t side with you for their buyer protection....? But, good luck with Visa.
Yes, that PSU at 625 will be fine with the 1080ti , so long as it’s a reliable brand. Unfortunately the 1080ti will probably require an 8pin AND a 6pin, so you’ll need to figure out how to create an 8pin with two molex 4pin connectors y’ing into an 8pin, like this.
https://www.ebay.com/p/1788741513
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 15:12 |
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The Ebay thing was a bit complicated, but unless Visa asks me to send the card back, then the seller will have to ask for it back and will have to email me a label.
So I’ll need the wye that I already have, plus build another six-pin? Now, dumb question: the existing m olex connectors, that in the olden days would have powered IDE hard drives, have different-colored wires from the adapter you picture above. Does that matter?
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 15:32 |
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You’ll want to confirm the power required for that card, to ato see if it needs an 8-pin and a 6-pin PCIe power connectors, do you know? Yes, the old school IDE drive 4-pin molex connectors are what would go into that wye. They also make SATA plug adapters too, if you don’t have 4-pin molex connectors available. If you post the PSU p/n we can confirm what you have available. Also the 1080ti mfg p/n would be good too.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 16:01 |
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6 amps. There are already two hard drives and an SSD in there, with, now, one free SATA power connector.
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 16:48 |
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After some digging I think I found the technical manual for that Dell workstation. If section 7 starting at page 62 is to believed and I have the correct system, matching yours, you should have a total of 6 SATA power connectors. 4 for HDD/SSD and 2 for optical drives. If you can spare two SATA power connectors, this wye to 8pin PCIe power connector will work. You’ll just repurpose one of your existing 6pin and leave the other unused.
https://ecauk.com/files/2016/03/Dell-Precision-Tower-5810-Workstation-Owners-Manual.pdf
If you don’t have the 2 SATA connectors free and only have one, you might be able to make this adapter work, it’s a SATA power to 6pin, but I don’t think the single SATA power connector is designed to deliver the 100 watts required for a 6pin PCIe connector is designed for but the 1080ti won’t need the full 100watts from the 6pin.
At the end of the day, you’re asking a lot from an older workstation that wasn’t designed for a newer GPU like the 1080ti but I’m rooting for you to make it work!
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 17:15 |
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Thank you for going to all of this trouble for me! And the CPU slot is closed, so only folding on the GPU. I don’t know if I mentioned this to you, but my wife is behind me on this. She said yesterday, “This is your gaming system.” She tries to take interest in my interests and this is much more constructive an endeavor than, say, buying another car ...
My case has two optical drives, but I haven’t used either of them in years. And there’s a free SATA power connector on the chain that has the hard drives on it. So I’ll use the two on the chain that go to the optical drives, for the GPU, then run an extension cable up from the HDD bays to one of the optical drives for just in case I ever need it. We’ll give this old unit a workout.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 17:26 |
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What about this: I already have two six-pin connectors from the PSU making an 8-pin PCIe connection at the existing 1060 GPU. Couldn’t I just use a single SATA-to-6-pin PCIe to make up the 6-pin required by the 1080 Ti?
Even in the corner of that shot, you can see how disgusting that GPU is.
I really appreciate your help on this.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 17:37 |
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Now I have a much clearer understanding of how to power one of these.
For running the 1060, where would you peg the minimum PS capacity?
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 20:29 |
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As I mentioned in my previous message, that single SATA to 6pin will likely work and is probably the simplest solution but I'm not sure a single SATA power connector is up to the task of what a 6pin is expected to deliver. Since the two 6 connectors are driving the 8, which is probably demanding the most power this should all work fine for the 1080ti.
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 20:33 |
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For a 1060 and understanding that other system components will impact this, I would say around a 350-450 is probably the safe spot. It also depends on PSU efficiency, 80+ bronze/silver/gold.....those dictate how much power is wasted in the conversion process.
Keep in mind, the 1060 is stipulated as a 120 wat t card, so add other system demand on to that, to get overall requirements.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 21:01 |
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If I take that single SATA off the string that has the two optical drives, there will be nothing else drawing upon that string except rarely.
I’ll try this first for simplicity’s sake.
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> PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
06/12/2020 at 21:03 |
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Okay. For finding a junker to host the crusty 1060, and since most everything in recent years has PCIe slots, I should probably let the PSU be my deciding factor.
This was all a bit of a lift for you, educating me. Again, I do apreesh.
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PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120
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06/12/2020 at 21:07 |
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You’re welcome , feel free to ping me directly via email any time, I’m happy to help. This sort of thing is my whole MO, figure out how to safely get the most performance from existing hardware, that’s really why I love overclocking PCs too.