Commercial Armored Cars. . .

"Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available" (whoistheleader2) 06/11/2020 at 14:29 • Filed to: Armored Cars

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An armored car in the rain

. . . are one type of vehicle I know nothing at all about. The US tends to favor chassis cabs with big metal boxes built on the back, but that’s about where my knowledge ends. It’s actually hard to find info because military armored cars are what come up in most searches.

Nevertheless, they are interesting. They have to be capable of carrying guards and lots of valuables while standing up to bullets and probably explosives. What does Oppo know about armored cars?

InFierority Complex > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 14:37

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You’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.

CB > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 14:37

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This sounds like someone who wants to commit a robbery.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > InFierority Complex 06/11/2020 at 14:37

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Yes but they want the valuables to be safe if they miss.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > CB 06/11/2020 at 14:38

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Ummm, no reason. No reason at all for me asking.

On a different note, how many pounds of plastic explosives do suppose those doors would take?

Thisismydisplayname > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 14:41

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I thought they were mostly aluminum materials, or some alloy such as that for the armored box. There was a show on history or something like that many years ago that talked about some details. It might have been about armoring vehicles in general.  

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 06/11/2020 at 14:43

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*theoretical*

I’ve always been convinced, from past experience, that the highest reward/lowest risk robbery you could commit was to hold up a Fedex truck over something like this.

Armored truck: varying levels of cash, armed guards, additional security features

Courier van: Often left unattended, one unarmed driver, merchandise generally untraceable and high valued (phones, computers, etc).

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/11/2020 at 14:46

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Why don’t you just ask Aesthetics in motion? I've often wondered about hopping into one as it is idling empty and taking off. I presume they are tracked but if you knew where they were you could cut it and disappear. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Thisismydisplayname 06/11/2020 at 14:47

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There is likely a huge variety in what and how things are armored and to what degree they are protected. Sometimes the appearance of being tough is all it takes.

DipodomysDeserti > CB 06/11/2020 at 14:49

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Focusing on the truck itself would be a poor way to conduct a robbery of an armored truck.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Thisismydisplayname 06/11/2020 at 14:53

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Yeah most are sandwich co struction. And the box will be reused on multiple chassis as they twist the frame

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/11/2020 at 14:58

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Someone stole a ups semi  truck leaving a best buy warehouse before Christmas and value was at least a million iirc

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > DipodomysDeserti 06/11/2020 at 15:00

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Yah. Hypothetically, you'd want to get the jump while both were outside the truck and one has his hands full

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 06/11/2020 at 15:01

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I had a claim where the insured was a diamond cutter and sent their diamonds via a courier. They just...went missing..en route to their destination.

AestheticsInMotion > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 15:03

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“tracked”

Lol

just-a-scratch > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/11/2020 at 15:09

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I’m betting most major delivery services have GPS on their vehicles. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > just-a-scratch 06/11/2020 at 15:10

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I would bet so too. But I didn’t mean that I’d take it anywhere. Just clean it out.

Outside a large office tower, those guys can be away from the truck for a decent amount of time.

RangerSmith > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/11/2020 at 15:15

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In your teens, early 20s everybody has a childhood friend that decides to take up drug dealing large quantities. L ots of cash . My thought was to rob a drug dealer.

ranwhenparked > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/11/2020 at 15:21

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On the other hand, armored car drivers are surprisingly underpaid, given what they’re responsible for, doubt many of them are going to give you much of any resistance if you catch then when they stop to take a leak or something.

You’d probably do better with that then trying to rob a bank, at least, since banks barely keep any cash on hand nowadays, and what they do have is mostly inaccessible to the employees, unless you have them do a transaction on your account. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 06/11/2020 at 15:22

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Are the frames supposed to twist? How does that happen?

Thisismydisplayname > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 15:22

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Yeah I remember that being the point to keep them as something uniquely shaped to not necessarily blend in like an armored car for personal use.  They want those to blend right in.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 15:29

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No. They’re always operating near maximum load capacity. They can’t go bigger or all the operators would probably  need a Cdl 

ranwhenparked > just-a-scratch 06/11/2020 at 15:36

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They absolutely do, and UPS is pretty serious about collecting and analyzing the data from them regularly for route planning efficiency.

Really, most fleet vehicles do these days, my dad had them installed on all the police cars in his department, and fired one of his cops within the first few weeks for sleeping on the job. Car wouldn’t move from the same parking spot the entire shift.

My employer doesn’t do it on the car, but they do track our company cell phones and laptops. I remember when they started doing that, nobody really cared, except one guy who had been with us 20 years and then quickly quit a couple months into it, he was the one nervously asking everyone if we thought the company was tracking all the time, or if we knew how to turn it off. There was at least a 7/10 chance he was logging fake sales calls/goofing off at home for much of the day. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 06/11/2020 at 15:39

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Huh. Gold is heavy and all, but it seems like a CDL might be beneficial.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 16:12

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I see four exposed weak points on the back of that truck. The bigger concern would be with the guards that go along with it and weather or not there is any way for them to track the contents. I’m not 100% sure on the training that the guards have or if they have an additional guard riding with the cargo, but most seem to have at least two guards, a driver and one to carry the cargo to and from the store/truck. They also seem to only carry a handgun and wear a basic armored vest. As far as tracking goes GPS jammers are pretty easy to make or purchase despite being pretty illegal to own and operate. Subdue the guards, cut the hinges on the back and use a jammer to keep the cargo from being traced and you should be in the clear. 

Chariotoflove > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/11/2020 at 16:13

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My brother was a courier for a bank for a couple of years, running a local route. They gave him a Ford Contour. The only extra protection was the 9mm in his shoulder holster at his own expense.

My uncle was a diamonds and securities courier on Manhattan when I was little. Again, he carried a 38 in his belt. That was about it.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 06/11/2020 at 16:37

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Huh, those hinges look easy enough to cut when not in close proximity to gas fumes. But them again this is money from a gas station so probably not very high security. Just a few meth heads with a broken bottle who would make an attempt on this one.

I saw two go in the store.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ranwhenparked 06/11/2020 at 16:39

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The real money is in maple syrup heists apparently. Catch that delivery truck idling and you're golden.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Chariotoflove 06/11/2020 at 16:40

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No one would ever think to hold up a Ford Contour, at least until they saw the trunk sagging from all those dolla dolla bills yo.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 16:46

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Exposed hinges are the easiest ways to breach a door, and from the looks of these there’ s no way for them to implement any additional features to keep them in place once the hinges are gone. Was there another still waiting in the truck or did they leave it unattended? Whenever I see them working around here there’s always one with the truck and one making the pickup. My guess is that they feel the likelihood of someone attempting to rob one of the trucks is pretty low that the guards aren’t 100% on the their toes when working, and the overall value of what their transporting is well below w hat the security company’s insurance would cover.

Chariotoflove > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 16:57

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Ugh.

Chariotoflove > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 16:57

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As an aside, my brother told me at the time that it was much nicer to drive than you would think.  He didn’t mind it at all.

InFierority Complex > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 17:18

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Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ 06/11/2020 at 17:38

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It was raining so hard that the roads had a good inch or two of water on them. I saw two enter but left before I saw them come out again. The truck was on so I suppose one remained. I didn't see the rear open but perhaps there was a side opening because I didn't see the driver's door open either. All I noticed was a photo opportunity that didn't involve going out into the rain.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > InFierority Complex 06/11/2020 at 17:42

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Com pletely valid tactic for removing evidence.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/11/2020 at 18:23

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I doubt much gold gets moved around. I would guess most of cash

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 06/11/2020 at 18:25

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Stacks of paper can get heavy too. The real weight though is in transferring those 1s and 0s from online databases to physically store them think of how many 1s and 0s just this sentence used. And each one weighs 1/13 of a pound!