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"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti) 06/07/2020 at 01:21 • Filed to: None

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“ He’d been working there for only two weeks, but he was already saving money for his first car: an old-school BMW, one that he could work on. Levi had never actually opened up a car engine, but he was good with his hands, and he wanted to learn.”

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I work with kids with TBI’s. They ruined this kid’s life. He’ll never be the same person he was.

Eye for an eye. We need to start lining these “bad cops” up. If they really are just bad apples than their coworkers should help hand them over.

CB > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 01:33

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Officer should be charged. Plain and simple. There’s no justification for this kind of action.

atfsgeoff > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 01:35

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I work with kids with TBI’s.

I initially read that as “kids with throttle body injection” and thought to myself, “wait.. BMW never offered TBI”

Back to the actual content of this post, if the police want to continue rapidly eroding public trust in law enforcement as a whole, they’re doing a really good job of it.

Nick Has an Exocet > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 01:36

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Eye for an eye.

Yeah that always works. Shouldn’t escalate things at all.

Beefchips > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 01:45

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I’m sure you don’t mean it, but l ining up sounds like execution. W e are better ! Peace, love, and j ustice with mercy.

DipodomysDeserti > Nick Has an Exocet 06/07/2020 at 01:47

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I would think the outnumbered police would realize this and stop escalating situations.

If you’ve ever studied history, you’d know it works out quite well, especially when the numbers are on your side.

jminer > Nick Has an Exocet 06/07/2020 at 01:49

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Do you propose nothing is done to punish these jack booted thugs?

DipodomysDeserti > CB 06/07/2020 at 01:50

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I c an assure you, the Austin police department, and many others, will find plenty of justifications for this action.

That’s why the officer felt comfortable taking a pot shot at a kid standing around by himself with his hands in his pockets.

Fucking cowards.

DipodomysDeserti > atfsgeoff 06/07/2020 at 01:53

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Phoenix PD was arresting people sitting on their own porches for breaking curfew on Monday. Well done, morons.

This is Arizona, not China. We all have guns.

jminer > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 01:54

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A cracked skull definitely fucked this kid up forever. Outside of tearing our entire criminal justice system to pieces I don’t have any idea what to do.

A lot of the issue is the Thin Blue Line/Us vs Them mentality that cops have. It’s a very large issue. In my job I work with a lot of law enforcement but in a specific non-c rime- enforcement situation. Our chief specifically doesn’t hire anyone that has spend more than a year in a Police Department because of their attitude. He hires from the Military , other Federal Agencies and Personal Security companies.

ttyymmnn > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 01:55

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FWIW, the Austin police chief banned the use of these “non lethal” rounds after two people were seriously injured. I would like to think that the police, in general, reacted the way they always have, only to find that those tactics are no longer acceptable. We have to start somewhere. 

https://patch.com/texas/downtownaustin/austin-pd-chief-bans-non-lethal-projectiles-protesters

ttyymmnn > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 02:02

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They were doing exactly what they were trained to do. And that’s the problem. 

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 06/07/2020 at 02:04

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He banned them against groups. This kid was shot standing by himself. You’re police chief is bullshitting you.

Those tactics have never been acceptable , people are just paying attention now.

I thought Phoenix had bad cops after how many people they shot  last year, but Austin has quite a few monsters on the force.

ttyymmnn > jminer 06/07/2020 at 02:05

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I think part of the problem is that we have police departments that are led by cops. The US has a long tradition of civilian leadership. We have a powerful military, but the ultimate head is a civilian, either the SecDef or POTUS . Wouldn’t it be interesting if we removed the chief of police and replaced him/her with a civilian?

phenotyp > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 02:12

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Fuck. 

LastFirstMI is my name > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 02:29

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Wow. This breaks my heart. My wife grew up in Austin and once put a gay pride sticker on a police cruiser after they didn’t prosecute the jocks who assaulted a gay kid from her high school. I guess she’s lucky they didn’t shoot her.

SmugAardvark > jminer 06/07/2020 at 02:30

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I think there’s a pretty significant gap between summary executions and doing nothing.

I’d agree as far as saying an eye for an eye might not be the best tactic. What is happening around the country is unacceptable, I can not and will not  argue that. But if we as a people stoop to that level, where does it stop? With no due process, how many people die? How do you guarantee only the ones that “deserve it” are punished? If the line is that if a person wears a badge, they deserve to be murdered, we’re all just as shitty as they are.

SmugAardvark > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 02:36

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“An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.”

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 06/07/2020 at 02:58

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The problem is they didn’t have enough common decency to realize what they were trained to do was bullshit.

DipodomysDeserti > SmugAardvark 06/07/2020 at 02:59

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Not if you have the assholes outnumbered.

SmugAardvark > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 03:49

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Yes, let’s prove we’re better than them by killing them via summary execution. Oh wait, that would make us as bad as they are.

Advocating violence is a shitty thing to do, no matter the justification.

SmugAardvark > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 03:51

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I suppose you think the person that did this is a hero.

Nick Has an Exocet > SmugAardvark 06/07/2020 at 05:08

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I was thinking the other night that we, as a country, have to stop using the word “but” and start using the word “AND”. The word “but” invalidates the previous idea. It completely undermines civil discourse and either is used to state a point that you believe but may make you stick out or feign a kowtow and then snap back with an opposing position.

What is happening around the country is unacceptable, I can not and will not argue that. But if we as a people stoop to that level, where does it stop?

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What is happening around the country is unacceptable, I can not and will not argue that. And if we as a people stoop to that level, where does it stop?

Frankly, the entire argument that this is about race is invalid. What this is about is power and money. Since the 1960s, the poorest people in the US have been tricked into voting for laws and electing officials that continue to keep them in a lower economic class. It’s a lot easier to kill a poor and powerless person and get away with it.

People are sitting around and scratching their head s as to how to fix this thing when it’s been shown time and time again that you solve for race with economic levers, not affirmative action. However, the best way to do that isn’t an option: immigration. In the past, this just took care of it itself. Germans > Irish > Chinese > Mexicans > Vietnamese . Every 20 to 60 years or so, a new lower immigrant class moved in to take the worst jobs and brunt of the economic hits (which was still better than where they came from). We’ve been at a deadlock for 60 years. This is a problem. I don’t think the middle east is the answer and the other options have a lot more organized crime than we’re happy with. 

Also, somewhat appropriate:

Stef Schrader > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 05:33

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Beyond sad. Screw these coward-ass police for every single overkill response outlined in that article. Shooting at an unarmed teen ? Pepper spraying the people who were trying to help ? Every single officer involved needs to be fired on the spot, publicly disgraced and never be able to step their foot out in public again without being made to feel intensely uncomfortable. Absolutely zero excuse for that kind of response.

We’ve got to stop calling those “less lethal” or worse, “non-lethal” rounds. That just minimizes

pip bip - choose Corrour > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 09:36

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DipodomysDeserti > SmugAardvark 06/07/2020 at 10:08

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Article doesn’t say anything about those  deputies shooting unarmed people, so no.

Use your head.

DipodomysDeserti > Beefchips 06/07/2020 at 10:14

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Lined up and shot with a bean bag round. They’re less than lethal!

Bullies get no mercy. One of the many reasons I’m nor a Christian.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Nick Has an Exocet 06/07/2020 at 10:45

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I don’t think that meme tracks, first the people who want ‘small government’ are also usually the one’s supporting that kind of police response.

Second, wanting social programs and increased state regulation over economic/financial concerns does not equate to wanting a militarized police force that puts down protests with violent escalation.

Sure you might say “but it’s just a meme”, but if it’s not accurate and it’s something that shouldn’t be taken seriously, then why the fuck mention it in a discussion about something so serious? We get to joke about it, the people being assaulted by the police for exercising their constitutional rights do not. 

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > LastFirstMI is my name 06/07/2020 at 11:07

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I had half a mind to start slapping swastikas and adding two k's to the k9 part on police cars.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > pip bip - choose Corrour 06/07/2020 at 11:12

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Fuck that was hard to watch, had to stop halfway through from tearing up so bad.  I hadn’t heard about this incident. Poor kid. Fuck the police.

Cash Rewards > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 11:35

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That video is fucking awful. He's just fucking standing there. God damn

DipodomysDeserti > Cash Rewards 06/07/2020 at 11:59

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I can’t watch any more of these. The one of officers firing on medics after they told them to bring them a severely  injured protestor (who they shot in the head with a rubber bullet) had me too upset.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 06/07/2020 at 12:04

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That is an interesting point. There is no external checks and balances in most police operations. It's all insiders all the way up. Obviously you would need experienced senior officers as advisors but this might work.

ttyymmnn > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/07/2020 at 12:11

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The mayor is ostensibly the police chief’s boss, but he doesn’t run the department day-to-day. I suppose the SecDef doesn’t run the military either, but even the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has a civilian boss. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > ttyymmnn 06/07/2020 at 12:17

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I don’t really know enough about this subject to know what you just said. I just know day to day operations don’t have much oversight or accountability to higher ups by non-insiders, a perfect breeding ground for the kind of corruption we are seeing exposed. 

Cash Rewards > DipodomysDeserti 06/07/2020 at 12:38

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I hate the nra with a passion, but really am starting to reconsider my stance on the second amendment. This is fucking getting out of hand. I'm as safe and secure as can be where am I am, but Jesus fucking Christ. 

DipodomysDeserti > Cash Rewards 06/07/2020 at 12:46

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This is the actual reason we have the 2nd Amendment. As a gun owner, I also hate the NRA.

Nick Has an Exocet > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 06/07/2020 at 13:03

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That's literally the only thing you got from that post?

jminer > SmugAardvark 06/07/2020 at 13:24

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Who’s talking summary executions of police ? I’m talking about seriously punishing police for their misconduct.

Also are the  police executing proper due process when they’re shooting unarmed civilians for minor infractions or currently executing their 1st amendment rights?

jminer > ttyymmnn 06/07/2020 at 13:26

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I like the idea but most police departments are already ostensibly run by civilians. In most counties the Sheriff  is elected which makes him a civilian and in most other jurisdictions the chief is nominated by a major, commissioner or governor giving them all a civilian boss.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Nick Has an Exocet 06/07/2020 at 17:08

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Honestly when I got to “the argument about race is invalid” I stopped reading.

Yes, the problem goes beyond race and is absolutely based more on class and economic agency, I agree with that 100%. The Wire season 2 all the way, it’s not just black people getting fucked over.

That being said race is absolutely a valid part of the issue, and ignoring that is tantamount to saying “racism is over”.

Non-white citizens, and specifically black citizens, are disproportionately more likely to suffer from violence, and the narrative regarding if the violence is acceptable is different for them. If you think the issue of police violence doesn’t have a racial component, and I don’t mean this in a derogatory way, but I feel you’re bein g willfully ignorant.

You can believe what you want, and that’s why I didn’t say anything. I’m not trying to change your mind, I just wanted to voice my issue with that meme. Especially in such a serious discussion. 

Nick Has an Exocet > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 06/07/2020 at 17:46

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Thanks for the well reasoned response. Didn’t need the “I stopped reading” part but I think you mistook that point about race being invalid.

The catalyzing event is about race, but the motivations for how we got here (and the way out) are about economics, power, and politics . The latter is how race plays in - election/party demographics are largely responsible for making this a race problem.

SmugAardvark > DipodomysDeserti 06/12/2020 at 02:14

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Use your head.

Good call.

I didn’t log on over my weekend because I knew our back and forth w asn’t going to go anywhere positive.

But back to the point at hand, I still firmly disagree with the “line them up” mentality. And here’s why:

Who gets to decide what makes a cop “bad” in the sense that they should be executed without trial? How do we decide what that threshold is? Do we just go on the word of someone who says something to the effect of, “T hat cop beat me up two years ago, let’s get them”? The moment we condemn a man or woman unjustly, we become the thing we rally against. Beyond that, not everyone maintains the same level of rationality. While you might say we only go after bad cops, the guy down the street may agree with the sentiment while saying all cops are bad cops and should be treated thusly.

I participated in my city’s peaceful protests. I felt there was no way I could not go. I am a staunch and thorough supporter of ground-up police reform. But to glorify and openly strive for violence under the terms of what any one group of people decide is just will inevitably lead everyone around in a great big circle. That’s where my issue sits.

Sorry about being shitty to you though.

SmugAardvark > jminer 06/12/2020 at 02:25

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Eye for an eye. We need to start lining these “bad cops” up. If they really are just bad apples than their coworkers should help hand them over.

From the original post. I don’t think they meant line them up for pillow fights.

Here’s an excerpt from something I posted elsewhere, to get my take on it.

A better answer might be to reinvent what it means to be an officer of the law. Require regular psych evaluations for violent or otherwise abnormal traits. Require higher levels of education, and in fields that will make them more effective. Require officers to patrol the areas they actually live in. Prevent departments from purchasing unnecessary military-grade equipment. Pay them on a scale based on the work they do, not simply on how long they’ve been in the department. Don’t allow police unions to protect bad officers.

My whole point is that if we want a better world, we need to reinforce positive change. In the history of human civilization , over-the-top violence and scorched earth policies don’t tend to help anyone. So, hold officers that break the law accountable. But if murder is the answer, I want no part of any such group, as I feel it would make me just as bad as the people we’re removing from power.