"ImmoralMinority" (araimondo)
05/16/2020 at 12:34 • Filed to: None
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Kiltedpadre
> ImmoralMinority
05/16/2020 at 12:48 |
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Some of the reports I have seen show there have been far more asymptotic cases than originally believed. Unfortunately we’re still a long way from having the full picture. Thankfully the new information is making it look like things may not be as bleak as some of the initial reporting suggest.
The company I work for has taken part in testing of wastewater samples. All the reports I have seen show that the viral presence in the wastewater stream far exceeds what would be found based on confirmed positive testing results.
This study isn’t one that my company took part in, but it gives you an idea of what the studies are looking at and finding.
DipodomysDeserti
> Kiltedpadre
05/16/2020 at 13:07 |
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I took my first water and wastewater engineering class last semester. Very cool stuff. My professor has developed new types of sensors for measuring coliform that he is still researching. Pretty wild stuff. They’re discovering that many bacteria aren’t actually being killed when we treat water, despite appearing so. They are actually adapting to the treatment and basically biding their time (we already kind of knew this, but it is hard to measure how they’re doing it).
fintail
> Kiltedpadre
05/16/2020 at 13:21 |
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Sometimes I wonder if some of this material was out there before the Wuhan outbreak, and something else set it off. It’d be interesting to see various samples collected maybe a year ago.
I also still can’t put real faith in data from China (or a few US states as well).
Chariotoflove
> ImmoralMinority
05/16/2020 at 13:49 |
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Good news, yes.
I have been rereading about the smallpox epidemics of the beginning of the 19th century. There are some interesting parallels with how society is handling today’s virus. I wonder of some of this news will prompt some of the reactions that the emergence of the less lethal variola minor did.
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Kiltedpadre
> DipodomysDeserti
05/16/2020 at 14:13 |
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That’s one of the reasons that several groups are trying to push to either move away from purely chemical treatment or add extra layers. There are quite a few places adding either UV or ozone treatments to their systems. Unfortunately neither is effective enough to stand alone though.
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Kiltedpadre
> fintail
05/16/2020 at 14:23 |
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Unfortunately it’ll be years before reliable data can be compiled. The horrible distribution and reliability of testing capabilities, especially early on, make any data suspect. That’s only compounded by the fact that scientific data has somehow become a political issue. That last part is one of the most troubling part of the whole situation.
The information and data from China is certainly not to be trusted. I think you could throw in the data out of Russia, North Korea, and probably a few other such regimes around the world into the pool of “numbers too suspect to be relied upon.”
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DipodomysDeserti
> Kiltedpadre
05/16/2020 at 14:30 |
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There’s also the whole part about chlorine forming carcinogens . People don’t realize that water treatment managers basically have to balance how many people will get sick from coliform and helminths vs get cancer from chlorine.
Society is going to have a rude awakening with that one in a few years now that we seem comfortable spraying Clorox everywhere.
Biggest issues with UV ozone seem to be cost. As you said, to be effective they’re much more expensive than chlorine. However, neither leave and toxic residues in the water.
I took an algae bio systems class and we looked at how to treat agricultural wastewater with algae. Pretty cool stuff.
Snuze: Needs another Swede
> fintail
05/16/2020 at 14:33 |
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You mean like 5G?
/s
ranwhenparked
> Kiltedpadre
05/16/2020 at 14:43 |
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Ah, so you’re involved in that. I saw that reported on the local news - it indicated that the infection rate could be 15x higher than diagnosed though testing, but they only looked at the northernmost part of New Castle, above the canal, and no studies at all in Kent or Sussex, and Sussex seems to have double the infection rate of New Castle, so, statewide, it could be way higher than even that shows.
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fintail
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
05/16/2020 at 14:51 |
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5G, chemtrails, and vaccines:
I saw a mask with a “Wuhan Wild Wings” logo which also featured a bat. Very tempting.
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fintail
> Kiltedpadre
05/16/2020 at 14:53 |
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Definitely, there are places out there which make our shitty response to scientific data look like the pink of perfection. Everything is relative.
I fear this year is going to be just as crazy as the months move on.
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DipodomysDeserti
> fintail
05/16/2020 at 15:04 |
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This is something I’ve been wondering about. If you aren’t testing for something, you’ll never know it is there. It’s very common for people to have symptoms for strep or flu, fail a test, and just be given an antibiotic assuming it is bacterial. This happened to my SIL even while covid was a known issue. And a lot of times you don’t even test people for flu during flu season, you just assume it is the flu. We’ve had some very bad flu seasons over the last few years.
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fintail
> DipodomysDeserti
05/16/2020 at 15:08 |
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I’m far from a doctor, but I had an idea along the lines of something always being there, and maybe something new setting it off - so tests would find a lot of these antibodies in the past, but maybe the focus is in the wrong place. Just thinking aloud. Next winter is going to be interesting, maybe not in a good way.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> fintail
05/16/2020 at 15:13 |
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Wuhan Wild Wings... I love it!
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fintail
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
05/16/2020 at 15:21 |
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Kiltedpadre
> DipodomysDeserti
05/16/2020 at 15:29 |
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In drinking water there’s also the issue of ozone and UV not providing any kind of residual disinfection in the system. No matter how clean the water is when it leaves the plant without a disinfection residual it will be contaminated before it reaches the tap.
Using ozone and UV in place of prechlorination in the treatment process is a great way to reduce the instances of disinfection byproducts. Unfortunately neither can stand alone.
If you really want to see heads explode at a water conference though start asking people in the industry to give honest opinion about fluoride.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Kiltedpadre
05/16/2020 at 15:55 |
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That’s right, I forgot about that. Basically the water is clean when it leaves but there’s nothing left in it to ensure it stays clean.
Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com
> ImmoralMinority
05/16/2020 at 18:21 |
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For the past couple weeks I’ve maintained a positive attitude and tried to find good news, even if it meant looking to other places.
Cases and hospitalized people here are dropping off. We have a province of 5M and have something like 350 current active, 50 in hospital, ~ 25cases/d . It seems like a slow burn.
Today is for the first day the large mall where I live is allowing stores to optionally open in 2mo. Traffic has volume, but weirdly not as much at rush hour times. I’ve seen people and kids playing at the parks, people biking and walking in the sunshine through the whole thing.
I think there’s going to need wide spread testing because right now it seems like it’s limited to people that feel ill but it seems like people infected with mild to no symptoms are much higher than case counts suggest.
Another factor is the mutation strain. As it spread around the world it seems like it mutated differently? It would explain why Sweden hasn’t been decimated if the strain they have is simply less agg ressive in transmission. Same reason why Australia and New Zealand stomped it out really quickly. Where as Italy, Iran, New York, Quebec all got something more contagious. Food for thought?
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Kiltedpadre
> ranwhenparked
05/16/2020 at 22:20 |
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The company I work for didn’t conduct the testing from that article. They’ve been taking part in a similar study in Texas. They’re still compiling the numbers before doing any sort of publication but so far it seems to show a similar result that the amount of virus in wastewater far exceeds what would be there if previous infection rate predictions had been correct.