"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
04/29/2020 at 21:50 • Filed to: coronavirus
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"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
04/29/2020 at 21:50 • Filed to: coronavirus | 0
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Disclaimer: I am in no way qualified to offer anyone any medical advice, but in the general interest of seeing people here not be too sick...
Interesting study came out that highlights Vitamin D deficiency as a common theme among those hit hard by COVID-19, and since it has previously been identified as important for influenza as well, this seems worth passing along.
Sounds like the FDA recommendations are too low in general; 4-5000 IU appears to be a better target, with K2 important to make sure D doesn’t lead to kidney stones and again I am not remotely qualified just regurgitating don’t sue me don’t sue me don’t sue me...
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Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 21:59 |
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So walking doggo on a sunny day will give me melanoma but also protect me from Covid19? Tough call.
Svend
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 21:59 |
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Vitamin D is quite important for various things around the body from helping digest calcium to the immune system. Of course you can get vitamin D from the sun but as many people are stuck indoors with limited time outdoors, etc... the body’s natural way of making it is diminished so taking supplements can greatly help.
If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:01 |
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Is it a cause of Covid death or is the deficiency just a result of being quarantined indoors for so long?
DipodomysDeserti
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:01 |
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Yep. Cholesterol in your skin also makes vitamin D when it is hit with UV. Very important to g et outside.
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Just Jeepin'
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
04/29/2020 at 22:02 |
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Given the ties to better influenza outcomes, I’d say it’s a seasonal problem that we’re making worse by hiding indoors, but see my repeated disclaimers.
ranwhenparked
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:03 |
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Since New York's antibodies study indicates that only about 1% of cases require hospitalization, might as well just get yourself sick, quarantine for a few weeks, and have some resistance for the next time you get it.
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Just Jeepin'
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 22:08 |
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I’m not confident in any numbers right now, so I’ll decline, but especially if you are going to try to get sick you’r e better off being healthy as possible when you go into it, so take some vitamin D please (all previous disclaimers apply).
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ranwhenparked
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:19 |
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Well, can't argue with that
ttyymmnn
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:23 |
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How long do you have to stay inside for it to begin having an effect on your vitamin D levels?
I just drink the milk.
415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:24 |
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Well we are out a couple hours walking a day, if the pricks would let me surf it would be no problem.
wafflesnfalafel
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:24 |
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I do take a lower dose vit- d supplement and I’ve never gotten coronavirus! But I also eat sardines/salmon so maybe that’s it. That or it’s the donuts and beer.
Textured Soy Protein
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 22:24 |
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This is the wrong conclusion to jump to upon viewing those numbers.
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Just Jeepin'
> wafflesnfalafel
04/29/2020 at 22:28 |
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Donuts didn’t save me from the flu, and trust me I had my fair share, back when local donut shops were still a thing.
Can’t speak to beer.
smobgirl
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 22:35 |
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Even the cases that don’t require hospitalization sound like a pretty terrifying illness to have, particularly as someone who lives alone and might not be saved if my oxygen levels got low enough to pass out.
Thanks but no thanks.
Chariotoflove
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
04/29/2020 at 22:39 |
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Valid question. In other words, is it just an association?
Brickman
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 22:46 |
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Gotta have my milk, cereal, orange juice and cheese. Not much of a fish person except for salmon.
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ranwhenparked
> Textured Soy Protein
04/29/2020 at 22:48 |
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3.8 million infected, based on 14% with antibodies; 41,000 hospitalized.
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Textured Soy Protein
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 22:59 |
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Read this:
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ranwhenparked
> Textured Soy Protein
04/29/2020 at 23:12 |
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We already knew that much , comparing it to other diseases is useless.
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Textured Soy Protein
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 23:25 |
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I know getting yourself infected and then quarantining yourself removes the possibility of infecting others, but what you are proposing is still far from a good idea.
I suppose it was foolish of me to expect reading comprehension on your part, given your original comment. But fine, I will drag you along to the key parts.
The new serological data, which is provisional, suggests that coronavirus infections greatly outnumber confirmed covid-19 cases, potentially by a factor of 10 or more.
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Higher infection rates mean lower lethality risk on average. But the corollary is that this is a very contagious disease capable of being spread by people who are asymptomatic.
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But as infectious disease experts point out, even a seemingly low rate can translate into a shockingly large death toll if the virus spreads through a major portion of the population.
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New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) said Monday that the latest antibody numbers in New York City indicate that 25 percent of the population of 8.8 million has already been infected. The city has recorded more than 12,000 confirmed covid-19 deaths, and lists another 5,000 as probable deaths. That is an infection fatality rate between 0.5 and 0.8 percent, depending on which death toll is factored in.
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Epidemiologists have said somewhere between 40 to 70 percent of the population will likely become infected in the next couple of years if there is no vaccine and the public does not take aggressive measures to limit the spread of the virus.
“Do the math!” said Jeffrey Shaman, a Columbia University epidemiologist who has been studying the coronavirus since early in the outbreak.
Shaman and his colleagues have developed a model of the coronavirus spread that estimates that only 1 in 12 infections in the United States have been documented in official counts. That leads to an infection fatality rate of 0.6 percent , he said — a figure that roughly matches what has been seen in New York City.
At that rate, the United States could potentially experience 1 million deaths if half the population became infected and no efforts were made to limit the contagion through social distancing, a vaccine or proven therapeutics, Shaman said.
Merfthemadmauler
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 23:34 |
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Medcram coronavirus update 30 and 59 on YouTube address this.
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ranwhenparked
> Textured Soy Protein
04/29/2020 at 23:35 |
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Most of us will inevitably get it sooner or later, there’s no way around that. I’m not afraid of it, ideally I’d prefer to live another 50ish years, but I never had the ability to control that, anyway. If I die, I die, easy come, easy go, not like I’d be around to be around to be upset by it.
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Textured Soy Protein
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 23:37 |
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Congratulations, y our thinking is entirely selfish. Perhaps the countless others you infect while asymptomatic may feel differently.
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Just Jeepin'
> Merfthemadmauler
04/29/2020 at 23:39 |
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Short version?
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ranwhenparked
> Textured Soy Protein
04/29/2020 at 23:41 |
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The countless others living with me in my empty house?
LastFirstMI is my name
> Just Jeepin'
04/29/2020 at 23:42 |
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Low vitamin D is associated with lots of bad things, but almost every time someone studies the effects of taking a supplement, it doesn’t seem to help much. So get a few minutes of sun each day, eat foods high in Vitamin D, and taking a supplement probably doesn’t hurt but also probably doesn’t help. Zinc may have some antiviral effects, so I have been taking a zinc lozenge each day when I’m exposed to other humans.
Supplements rarely have the same beneficial effects that are seen in observational studies where people get the nutrient naturally. They are mostly effective at making money for supplement manufacturers.
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Textured Soy Protein
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 23:49 |
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The other people you and anyone else who followed this idiotic “might as well go get covid for the antibodies” reasoning encounter out in the world between the point when you infect yourselves and when you begin to display symptoms. Unless you literally go find someone who’s sick, lick their face, then proceed immediately to self-quarantine, t here’s too much risk of transmission to others.
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ranwhenparked
> Textured Soy Protein
04/29/2020 at 23:53 |
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Im already self quarantined, I haven’t set foot off my property in a month, except to check the mailbox or drive around aimlessly on back roads. I refuse to violate the letter or spirit of any laws.
That's what makes this a perfect time, I won’t be near anybody for many months more still to come. Best part is, there's no one to call 911, so if I collapse, nobody has to bother with me until I start to stink.
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Textured Soy Protein
> ranwhenparked
04/29/2020 at 23:55 |
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So how you going to carry out this great plan of yours to get infected? Swipe right on everyone on tinder who looks like they’re sick until you find a match?
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ranwhenparked
> Textured Soy Protein
04/30/2020 at 00:04 |
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Look, there’s some holes to work out, I admit it's a crude plan at the moment. There’s plenty of time to work it out, though.
Maybe advertise online for someone with documentation of a diagnosis and pay them? That’s probably illegal, I guess. My best friend of 14 years has just about finished recovery, I could maybe see if we’re the same blood type, and buy a pint (diagnosed over a week ago, as of yesterday most symptoms resolved, fortunately, as he’s got a couple risk factors). He actually works for the Red Cross, so that could be convenient.
Or, just do nothing, wait for restrictions to ease up, and wait for it to just happen naturally. Either way
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DipodomysDeserti
> Textured Soy Protein
04/30/2020 at 01:57 |
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It’s more deadly than the seasonal flu because we have a well established method of combating the seasonal flu, plus vaccines. It might not be an inherently more deadlier disease than the seasonal flu, and we didn’t have a flu vaccine until 1942.
Somehow humanity managed to thrive and increase it’s population exponentially without quarantining every flu season.
Measles is a hell of a lot worse even if it doesn’t kill you (as far as we know), way more infectious, and we didn’t have a vaccine until the ‘60s. Close to 90% of the population was immune by adulthood before vaccinations. Before vaccination outbreaks were just a way of life, yet somehow society went on.
Society has changed, not disease, and too many people think they’re educated, when they really just went to school in order to work in an office somewhere send out emails and attend meetings.
My sister is getting paid to fight this thing. She doesn’t even watch or read the news anymore because of how fucking stupid people both sides of the aisle seem to be. She seen it put healthy young people on respirators, but she’s seem lots of “benign” stuff do the same thing. Biology is hard, that’s why we don’t let people with communications majors dabble in it.
Also, a Jeff Bezos owned paper is the last place I’d be looking to get info from right now. Cui bono. Homeboy has made a fortune off this thing (no conspiracy, but this is the type of world a guy like that wants, and he ain’t no “liberal”). Stay at home and let a bunch of contractors without benefits bring all your stuff to you while people slave away in warehouses.
With that all said, we are a very unhealthy population with piss poor preventative medicine. Most people are less healthy than they think, and would be taking an unknown risk purposely exposing themselves to a respiratory virus.
Roundbadge
> Just Jeepin'
04/30/2020 at 08:34 |
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A number of years ago, one of my oldest friends suggested that I should be taking Vitamin D every day. Now...for a while I discounted a number of the things he said unless he laid out a solid reasoning for it. He was a chiropractor at the time, and he wasn’t the best student. Still...he had infinitely more medical training than I ever had.
Ever since that day in 2017 , I’ve taken 1000 IU of vitamin D daily. In the past couple of years, I’ve added a multivitamin to that, so now I get even more. I’ll add that I’ve been out of the house every day since the shutdown began in Ohio, because my company was deemed essential and my job was not approved to be done from home. Knock on particle-board-standing-desk, I’m still healthy.
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Textured Soy Protein
> DipodomysDeserti
04/30/2020 at 10:34 |
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Spare me the Bezos bias bullshit. I'm no fan of his either but there's no evidence the WaPo has become his mouthpiece since he bought it.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Textured Soy Protein
04/30/2020 at 12:20 |
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Yes, WaPo is the only news source on on earth that has no biases. My Fox News loving FIL might disagree with you.
Glad that’s what you pulled out of that. TBH, for most people it doesn’t matter what news they consume, because they’re at the will of a reporter to interpret the data.
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Textured Soy Protein
> DipodomysDeserti
04/30/2020 at 13:44 |
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Media bias is completely overstated by conservatives. Sure, it exists. But because often the reporting of the truth makes them look bad, and they want their propaganda outlets masquerading as news organizations to appear more legitimate, they have spent decades trying to make it appear as if all media outlets are biased. Because then everything becomes a matter of opinion of the reporter and outlet for which they work, and is therefore debatable.
I’m not saying bias isn’t there, and I read everything with a critical eye. Dismissing legitimate info out of hand because of the supposed, usually-overstated bias of those reporting it is not a good way to go through life. Saying “everyone’s biased and politicized” when there are in fact empirical facts and figures out there is falling into the facts-destroying trap set by those who want to push anti-fact propaganda that fits their agenda.
Anyway, in spite of the headline, the relative deadliness of the coronavirus vs the flu was not why I shared the article. It’s that pointing out these small percentages is yet another logic trap because with the highly contagious nature of the disease, and lack of herd immunity, even relatively-speaking low hospitalization and mortality rates can lead to a very large death toll. Which I already broke down here:
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1843170302
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DipodomysDeserti
> Textured Soy Protein
04/30/2020 at 14:49 |
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Thankfully I don’t have to rely on “ conservatives” to give me analysis on media bias (my brother is the editor of a newspaper), and thankf ully I don’t have to rely on media to digest scientific papers and studies for me. Wonder if I can site news articles for the three research papers I have due this week. That would make my life a whole lot easier, but I’d fail out of my program.
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Textured Soy Protein
> DipodomysDeserti
04/30/2020 at 17:03 |
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You sure found a smug way to roundabout agree with me.