"Grindintosecond" (Grindintosecond)
04/06/2020 at 20:08 • Filed to: None
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"Grindintosecond" (Grindintosecond)
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(My own fat opinion) b ecause im wanting to cash in on the violations of Hippocratic oaths, malpractice, and wreckless endangerments we will see reported in a few months.
During a hospital power outage in New Orleans, after Katrina hit, the staff went from trying to manage things to weirdness - someone was walking around in the dark with a syringe full of unknown and asking if anyone needed help to get out . That devolved inside of a week. And the president+physicians are fine with that today?
Before this, a doctor wouldnt even think about giving a drug not meant at all for something not even related to a problem. Now, they can’t wait to do it. Based on? Anecdotal evidence.
Many friends have told me that they sleep better when they get drunk . So I try it. I sleep like shit, woke up in four hours to pee, and my brain is switched on from ridiculous dreams caused by said alcohol and I can no longer sleep. Terrible idea.
Duuuude, I heard the alcohol kills germs so you should drink with us and that cold will go away. Lol, that gave me severe sinusitis.
Some high school kid told me to rev your engine high after you start it in winter so it warms up faster. Already knew that was crap. But the idea sounds good to someone clueless to how things actually work. Ie: Cheeto T.
How many class action commercials are on tv for fda revoked drugs that were found to have faulty test data in the trials? Now that you’re home more, see what daytime tv has for you.
Point is, I hope to God the president takes the drug like he eludes to. Has a heart problem and has to deal with that the rest of his life, knowing thousands died from equal complications, and he pushed it....oh but he didn’t prescribe it. Not his fault. Another person to take his fall.
The proponents if this bullshit idea are clueless to facts that this one size fits all solution may kill. That the anecdotal evidence is from those already infected and probably on the mend already. They have zero confirmation that any anecdotal is accurate. And the president refutes that 3 minutes after Fauchi even said so. “It’s a strong drug. It’s cured many people...”
No. A percentage of pe
ople
will die from this drug. Even if they sign a thirty page waiver, it will be in the face of duress and temptation of a dangled life saving crrot and
could get thrown out in court, easy.
The drug company won’t be at fault, but the doctors and insurance companies that allow this, expose themselves to the malpractice, will get hammered.
Can I invest in this? Can I short the insurance companies who went in whole hog on it? Maybe buy stock in the drug company.
ranwhenparked
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:15 |
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I don’t think there are right now. There’s been a few that have tried in the past few years, but it didn’t work out well for them for different reasons.
RPM esq.
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:21 |
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I can’t tell whether you’re hoping to invest in the lawyers who will get paid by the hour to defend the lawsuits you foresee or the ones doing the suing and getting paid only if they win (why not both? ) but either way, sorry, law firms aren’t publicly traded. But lots of insurance companies are, including some that sell malpractice insurance to doctors.
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Grindintosecond
> ranwhenparked
04/06/2020 at 20:23 |
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I’m sure the accounting side of the business would have to get really expensive to manage given the whole “billable hours” scam. I suppose if they are big enough to go public, they dont need to go public and the cash is already there for whatever they want to do next..
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Grindintosecond
> RPM esq.
04/06/2020 at 20:24 |
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Hmm....I then would have to short the malpractice insurers for they will have to pay out big, and then invest in the insurers doing the suing? hmm...
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RPM esq.
> ranwhenparked
04/06/2020 at 20:24 |
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It’s illegal in most places, and even where it isn’t, it would be a terrible idea...a potentially adverse party could just conflict the firm out of a matter by buying some stock. Hell, in a lot of jurisdictions, owning stock in the firm would conflict a client out of a representation.
Chariotoflove
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:24 |
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Okay, I’m going to offer you my view, as a biomedical scientist, combined with my wife’s as a physician who is currently taking plaquenil. The limited studies done with this drug so far suggest that it may retard viral entry of this strain into mammalian cells, and very limited clinical use kind of supports that. All parties involved with that study agree that the data are promising but very preliminary. I wouldn’t worry about what the Donald says. He latches on to and exaggerates stuff.
Hydroxycholoroquine is FDA approved for safety at specific doses and so can be given off-label without malpractice consequences for other things, as long as there aren’t drug interactions that make it dangerous. Simply put, if it might help even a little bit and doesn’t hurt at all, then why not try it and see if it helps? There are two main concerns for me. First, clinicians shouldn’t rely on it as a corner stone of treatment instead of other interventions. Second, I don’t want ERs etc hoarding the stuff so that people with Lupus and RA can’t get their prescriptions filled.
GLiddy
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:27 |
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I would think that having a group of stockholders would create a conflict of interest. The lawyer needs to look out for the best interest of the client. Having a stockholder would would necessarily have him also be looking out for the stockholder. How this differs from looking out for himself (monetarily) is likely a small difference, but when you hire a lawyer, you should be able to assume that there are just two people involved in the transaction and not a bunch of unknown shareholders who are primarily interested in money.
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RPM esq.
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:28 |
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Seems like if things were to go the way your post suggests the people doing the suing would mostly be the estates of dead people, so shorting the malpractice insurers might be more practical.
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RPM esq.
> GLiddy
04/06/2020 at 20:31 |
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Aside from the good ethical and professional reasons you identify, the conflict of interest problem would be enormous: big companies could just conflict opposing law firms out of cases by buying stock in them.
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> Chariotoflove
04/06/2020 at 20:34 |
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Absolutely, I appreciate the input there Mr. Charriot! Very good points.
At what point in treatments would a staunch practioner of medicine, one really doing it right, resort to suggesting it as a viable alternative? It would be viewed as a last resort medicine? B ut then if someone is needing this, they already may be in the age group to have drug interactions or previous medical history that would make it dangerous. I seriously doubt it would be a preventative and anyone in the no risk groups would be told they don’t need it, just ride it out, I would think.
Some quacks are already prescribing it for their family members so they can get some stored up for themselves and friends. The shady business of panic.
facw
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:44 |
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Some good reading on hydroxychloroquine:
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/
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Chariotoflove
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:51 |
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From what I know so far, it’s more likely to be preventative than a treatment for advanced disease, but there is so little data.
Physicians are humans too, and so are subject to panic, like the rest of us. For the most part, the doctor “doing it right” avoids giving superfluous medications, because all meds have side effects. That said, and without looking up the clinical pharmacology specifically, I believe hydroxychloroquine side effects are most from chronic use. For instance, my wif e has been on it for years and needs regular inspection for deposits in the eyes as one consequence. So for acute use in a situation like this, I could see someone convincing themselves to grab some “just in case” it helps protect a family member or friend, because there are likely to be few consequences to counterbalance the potential benefit. But the average “good doc” isn’t going to prescribe this stuff without a better reason than “just because”. Now, if it’s for someone who came into confirmed contact with a COVID-19 positive person, maaaaaaybe.
Now when a patient is in dire straights, even the most conservative docs will pull out the stops and throw anything and everything at it to keep a patient alive. My wife has had cancer patients who were going to die if a miracle didn’t happen. Under those circumstances, you can apply for compassionate treatment to companies for experimental drugs that aren’t fully FDA approved, because what do you have to lose? So you know they’ll do it for plaquenil if that moment comes.
66P1800inpieces
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 20:53 |
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Ye’ old proscription of champerty. At least in NY/NJ.
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> Chariotoflove
04/06/2020 at 21:57 |
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Boy, as a pilot I would be gravely soncerned with any of those side effects. Eyes? uh, they kind of care about those and any degeneration or weird growth/deposits . Heart? We get EKG’s every year.... This thing could just take someone out of the job entirely.
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Chariotoflove
> Grindintosecond
04/06/2020 at 22:11 |
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Well yeah, never take drug side effects lightly, even the chronic ones.
Fortunately, my wife has passed all of her checks without these problems so far.
RacinBob
> Grindintosecond
04/07/2020 at 00:19 |
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I tend to follow the obvious. Remember, medications like
Hydroxycholoroquine
are
subtle stuff, I figure if there is smoke, there is likely something to it.
. A story of about 150 years ago was that employees in a G erman dye factory tended to rarely get sick. Somebody looked into it, it turns out the dyes were sulfa based. It led to the idea of the first antibiotics which were sulfa drugs.
Ironically my grandfather worked on proving their usage in the 1930's at the U niversity of C hicago. His professor was another skeptic and ended up shutting the program down, leaving the university of Minnesota to end up proving that they worked which is what my Grandfather believed.
Lets just hope there are smart sincere people working on this. Lets give them space and hope for th e best. For the sake of all of us I hope Trump is right because if there is a good treatment and a vaccine, this will be in our rear view mirror and I will get to go racing again!
pip bip - choose Corrour
> Grindintosecond
04/07/2020 at 06:36 |
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one here in Australia, but they almost went bust after buying another group in the UK
My bird IS the word
> Grindintosecond
04/07/2020 at 08:03 |
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I am continually amazed at how little doctors know about how the body works