Coronavirus Lockdown in India Spurs Epic Human Migration

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 04/01/2020 at 18:05 • Filed to: None

0

57

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

The coronavirus contagion is becoming the stuff a science fiction movie. 300 miles some of these people are trekking, on foot, in stifling heat.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 18:11

7

Seems to me that policies which encourage migrants to return home and likely bring the virus with them aren’t good policies...

ranwhenparked > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 18:13

9

We'll run into something similar ourselves, possibly with the second wave of the virus. As people lose their houses, we'll see more extended families moving back in with each other, often across state lines, with the virus migrating around again in the process.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ranwhenparked 04/01/2020 at 18:23

0

If we had readily available testing, and a vaccine, perhaps we could forestall such an event in this country.

WilliamsSW > ranwhenparked 04/01/2020 at 18:23

0

Hopefully it doesn’t get to that point, and the stimulus reduces the need for that, but who the hell knows. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 18:24

1

470 million poor, displaced workers. Half a billion people. The planet is in deep trouble.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 18:26

2

I expect Mexico’s seeing that already - must be a lot of migrants   heading home from the US right now.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 18:28

0

It seems like zero thought was given to these people before the lockdown was implemented.

This is how governments get overthrown, and I don’t mean via peaceful means. 

ranwhenparked > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 18:28

3

I wouldn't hold your breath on a vaccine, we've never been able to develop a working vaccine for any of the other 6 human coronaviruses despite years of research. And even if we did this time, the best case scenario would have it available way too late to avert total catastrophe.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 18:29

0

yikes

ranwhenparked > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 18:30

4

A one time payment of ca . $650  after taxes isn’t going to keep anyone in their house.

WilliamsSW > ranwhenparked 04/01/2020 at 18:42

0

That money isn’t taxed, and there’s a lot more to the plan than that. Mortgage forbearance, free money for payroll for small business, etc.

I don’t know that it’s enough (I bet they’ll have to do more) but it’s a step in the right direction even though there’s some stupid bullshit in it as usual.

WilliamsSW > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 04/01/2020 at 18:47

0

I haven’t heard that, but it’s certainly possible. They also have to worry about migration out of Mexico City into the countryside.

They’re taking a very different approach to this than the US.  They’re gambling on a targeted approach to try to avoid that upheaval, but if it doesn’t work it will be a disaster. 

fintail > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 18:52

2

Unless there’s relief for renters along with a mortgage bailout, some shit will hit the fan.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 18:55

1

We do a lot of business in Mexico and have an office there - from what we’re hearing it’s already not working. Problem is the government can’t acknowledge that bec au se there’s no plan B - they don’t have the money for the social support needed if they pull the plug on their economy, and there’s too many people on the breadline already . It’s the same problem much of the deve loping world’s facing.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > ranwhenparked 04/01/2020 at 19:00

0

A friend in Italy said the same about what was happening there once things started getting bad around Milan – basically everyone jumped on every bus they could leaving the region to get back to their hometowns…thereby spreading the infection across the entire country overnight.

RPM esq. > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 19:01

1

How surprising that a government headed by an exclusionary nationalist and borderline fascist would treat society’s most vulnerable with contempt at best and state-sponsored violence at worst.

slipperysallylikespenguins > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 19:06

0

Compared to half of the world, the US response looks pretty reasonable.

DipodomysDeserti > ranwhenparked 04/01/2020 at 19:13

2

Based on gun sales, I don’t think sheriff departments are going to be all that willing to evict people. My buddy has been running around with his hair on fire shipping out product.

This may be the type of an event that permanently alters how we do business.

WilliamsSW > fintail 04/01/2020 at 19:16

1

Agree.  The tiny bone they threw to renters is worthless. They’ll have to step that up — one of the consequences of the right trying to do it on their own. Idiots. 

DipodomysDeserti > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 04/01/2020 at 19:20

1

I know some farmers who grow handpicked crops are starting to worry.

WilliamsSW > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 04/01/2020 at 19:21

0

Most of our manufacturing is there. We have 3 large plants employing thousands of people. Our own people told us they won’t have any cases down there. Because they’re not testing. We’ve implemented temperature sensors at one entrance and closed the rest, and are monitoring what we can.

This past week, the government (not sure if state or federal) issued edicts for certain people to stay home. One of them is that anyone over a BMI of 40 has to stay home (think it includes older people and some medical conditions also).

One thing that helps is that we are required by law to pay these people.  We’ll probably get government assistance to do so, but we’re on the hook either way. 

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 19:22

2

The planet is going to be fine. I think the planet is putting on a bit of a show for us. Maybe showing the other creatures she still has love for them.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/01/2020 at 19:50

0

Planet in the sense of all the humans everywhere. Humanity.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 19:51

0

Before, during, after... Not ever.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 19:52

1

 I have been wondering whether the government would turn around and tax people on the money they're about to hand out. Like they pay people unemployment benefits and then tax them on it later.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/01/2020 at 19:54

1

 Oh, I think this will permanently alter how we do a lot of things, not least, public education.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 19:54

0

  Will you expound on that for me please? I'm a little slow.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/01/2020 at 19:55

1

 Gun sales. I bought one last week...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/01/2020 at 19:57

0

 Because nobody to pick them? And when it's the next great depression, will Americans go down and take work picking those crops?

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 20:04

0

Yep. I could see us using prisoners to pick them first, which we do already.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 20:05

0

Yeah, humanity needs to remember how to follow the planet’s rules.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/01/2020 at 20:08

1

I actually didn’t mean to bring Earth into it at all

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/01/2020 at 20:11

2

fintail > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 20:20

1

I’d wager everything I own that renters are disproportionately seeing hardship more than homeowners in this crisis, given its impacts on the lower wage service industry. Yet, only mortgages are receiving real discussion of aid - funny how that works. It’ll trickle down any day now.

Maybe in stimulus round II, which is effectively guaranteed.

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 20:24

1

I don’t think the stimulus is gonna do anything, but delay the worst of the economic fallout. The corporations getting the most of it are just gonna do some financial BS to boost their stock prices.

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > fintail 04/01/2020 at 20:27

1

Congress is going on recess, so round II will surely be a day late and a dollar short.

fintail > DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever 04/01/2020 at 20:31

0

They might need to be called back, emergency or something.

I think the stimulus as it is might help if 45's Easter deadline had any foundation in reality - but we all know there’ll be many weeks beyond that.

WilliamsSW > fintail 04/01/2020 at 20:42

1

No argument on that.  The Dems have already been working on a round 2, and I would hope that there will be something better for renters then. 

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 20:43

0

I didn’t follow this comment sorry (kinja makes it hard to see which comment you replied  to)

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 20:45

1

Our customer base supply into retail, and largely deal with small-format stores - Mom & Pop “tiendas”. We’re hearing about a noticeable increase in general “sickness” , and certainly a significa n t down-turn in trade, in a n umber of regions. Admittedly that’s anecdotal and 3rd-hand, and may be fear linked rather than actual infection linked , but if the local stores that the common folks get their day to day supplies from are seeing trade drop, that’s indicative of a problem: their customers aren’t in a position to panic buy and hoard.

Government pushing res ponsi bility onto the employers is a heck of a lot better than just letting people fend for themselves, but those who work in the informal economy (which is large in Mexico) won’t benefit , and they ’re the people who are most marginal economically to start with.

Whe re are your factories?

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 20:46

0

The only thing for renters in the stimulus that I’m aware of is tha t there was some promise not to evict people for some time - and even that only applies to landlords who have federally backed mortgages.

Because apparently the Rs assume either everyone owns a house or deserves to be poor. 

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 20:48

0

My understanding is that the $1200 is tax free, but don’t take tax advice from me LOL.

WilliamsSW > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 04/01/2020 at 20:53

1

So true about the informal economy in Mexico, everything you said about it.

We have 2 factories in Tamaulipas (Nuevo Laredo and Matamoros- maquiladoras both), and one in the state of Guanajuato.

We supply other manufacturers though, and much of their production ends up going north. We’re less tied into the Mexican economy. We haven’t had absentee or sickness issues to any large extent, but we’ve tried to be proactive, knowing that we can’t count on the government to do it.

What you describe could get ugly fast - if supply lines are disrupted.   Hope that’s not the case.  

WilliamsSW > DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever 04/01/2020 at 20:58

0

The chunks that I’ve looked into (nowhere near all of it) make sense and should get to the right people. Propping up small businesses was absolutely essential.   But it was all based on things normalizing by about June 1, which is a pipe dream.

There needs to be a lot more of it, and better targeting to the people who truly need it most.  We ain’t done yet.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 04/01/2020 at 22:25

1

There were Ds in on that package, supposedly. President Trump has stated that he doesn’t plan to honor the oversight piece, but we’ll see.  It would totally be his style to say he won’t, then mostly do, but never say that he is or that he said he wouldn’t. My wife follows an Instagram feed in her religious study and this one lady segued from the topic at hand to, “Whatever your views are, isn’t Donald Trump doing a great job of getting GM to make ventilators?” SMH

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 04/01/2020 at 22:28

0

Don’t we have to assume, though, that the contagion will ravage Mexico as it is ravaging everyplace else?

Poor_Sh > slipperysallylikespenguins 04/01/2020 at 22:29

0

Yay 50%! Wait...

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 22:39

0

They got in pretty late, it was clearly an attempt to ram it down their throats and point to them for delaying if they didn’t rubber stamp quickly.

SMDH on that lady.  A prototype low information voter...

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/01/2020 at 23:31

0

Yup, it totally will. And their government’s basically going to let it, while doing their best to pretend its not happening, until the pressure from the affluent   gets too great and they decide to abandon the poor pe ople to their fate . Because they don’t really have a good  option: put the country into lockdown and the poors starve, leave it running and the olds cough themselves to death. So if you’re a poor, old, Mexican (or Columbian, Guatemalteco, Bangladeshi, Kenyan, etc, etc for that matter), right now Jesus & Mary or their local equivalent are your best hope.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 04/02/2020 at 00:28

1

Or refugee in Syria or on the Is land of Lesbos...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/02/2020 at 14:04

0

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/02/arizona-coronavirus-pawn-shops-golf-courses-essential-businesses-160043

Arizona in the news. I bet that down the road, politicians will tie COVID victim statistics to politicians and whether they have a d or an r after their name.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/02/2020 at 15:12

0

Yeah, they’re taking a big gamble. My sister has started working Covid units now. She said all the nurses and doctors are pretty pissed. My friend voluntarily shut down his barbershop a few weeks ago. Sold gift cards for future cuts to help bring in some money.

Hilarious that a former cop who lives in Oro Valley would be talking about government overreach. Oro Valley is basically run by their police department. Notorious around the Tucson area for writing tickets. It’s also mostly older rich people that live there.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/02/2020 at 16:24

0

 They are pissed that a tighter lock down has not been ordered?

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/02/2020 at 19:03

0

Yep.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/02/2020 at 20:34

0

You said it: a very great gamble.

The story of the commander of the USS Roosevelt is interesting as well. Senior military people voting with their feet. Capt. Crozier had  to know he was throwing himself on the career grenade for his crew. Preferable to going down with the ship and not at war. It’s difficult for me to imagine that every other professional military on Earth is not in the same predicament. This deal is approaching biblical scope.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/02/2020 at 23:20

0

Yeah, he knew he was getting canned with a good chance of his crew still being required to remain on the ship. This was a whistle to the public about the leadership at the top.

I grew up hanging out in NYC with my uncles. Locking down NYC is the stuff of movies. Absolutely unthinkable

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 04/02/2020 at 23:58

0

You think he was already destined to be sacked prior to writing the letter?