That stimulus package: details

"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
03/25/2020 at 15:53 • Filed to: stimulants

Single <$75k income $ 1,200

Pro rated to $100k income. subtract $5 per eve ry $100 over $75k.

Couples=double the payout double the income requirements.

$500/child

Based on 2018 taxes.

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DISCUSSION (59)

facw > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:02

Forget the federal government, I just got a $2800 check from my health insurance. It’s not entirely clear why though, so maybe I should be expecting a $2800 bill from some provider, and they paid me rather than provider?

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:02

We better not have to report this as income.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > facw
03/25/2020 at 16:03

cash that check now!

AestheticsInMotion > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:04

Can I borrow a few kids from someone?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > AestheticsInMotion
03/25/2020 at 16:05

get a puppy and get it a social security card and birth certificate...

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > AestheticsInMotion
03/25/2020 at 16:05

Believe me they cost much more than a $500 check...

Poor_Sh > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:07

2018 take home or gross? Lol I get why though.

AestheticsInMotion > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:07

Make child labor great again

imadick > facw
03/25/2020 at 16:08

I’d look into that. Unlike goods, you are responsible for returning money accidentally sent to you.

Gerry197 > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:10

The big one is the expanded unemployed insurance for independent contractors, which would be for up to 4 months and up to $600 a week.

This is on top of any State un em ployment insurance, many of which are considering adding gig workers to the insurance for the first time.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Poor_Sh
03/25/2020 at 16:10

My guess is gross.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Gerry197
03/25/2020 at 16:12

All those “independent contractors” how do you even start to deal with that.

Mid Engine > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:20

Based on 2018 income tax reports. So, you made $150k in 2018 and got laid off recently , you get nothing (other than unemployment). They should have sent everyone money and clawed it back when you file if you made too much. Too many corner cases where people needing help, won’t get it.

MoCamino > Poor_Sh
03/25/2020 at 16:24

It’s based on adjusted gross income.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > facw
03/25/2020 at 16:29

We had this happen back in December:

M y wife gets a monthly infusion for a medical condition. We switched to a new infusion center in November, all seemed good, and then in December we get a mystery check in the mail for like $12,000. Turns out the new place actually has separate practices, incorporated individually, under the same roof and they sent the bill out on the wrong letterhead. So the insurance company gets it and goes “WTF? This isn’t who we normally deal with, they aren’t even in our provider network!” And the check was basically their way of saying “This is what we normally pay, we have no idea who these people are or what they charge, so just take this and figure the balance out yourselves. ”

Snuze: Needs another Swede > facw
03/25/2020 at 16:29

We had this happen back in December:

Spaceball-Two > AestheticsInMotion
03/25/2020 at 16:29

COME GET THEM! NOW!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:29

I’d be lying if I said I haven’t been motorcycle shopping a bit more today

There is an 800 dollar Honda Cb250 Nighthawk that I fancy quite a bit

UserNotFound > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:29

It prorates up to $99,000 single income, unless people making $100,000 are supposed to be sending the gov’t $50

Thomas Donohue > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:29

While I get it that they need to have some kind of baseline resource of income , the fact that it’s based on 2018 taxes screws anyone who lost their job in 2019 (or recently because of the virus-related downturn)

Extended unemployment benefits help there, but I still feel there is a gap.

This also gives anyone who got a bump in 2019 to over $75k a pass, since they can delay filing a return until they get their check.

I’m nitpicking, but WHERES MY MONEY???? /s

LastFirstMI is my name > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:31

Politicians trying to impress us with the size of their package.... old news

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner

AestheticsInMotion > Spaceball-Two
03/25/2020 at 16:31

RIP. On second thought ...

How are you doing?

Spaceball-Two > AestheticsInMotion
03/25/2020 at 16:33

Wife and I both working from home and trying to manage two extremely bored kids. But all in all really not that bad.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Thomas Donohue
03/25/2020 at 16:34

I made a considerable amount more in 2019 but since my spouse doesn’t make much we are still <$150k combined.

AestheticsInMotion > Spaceball-Two
03/25/2020 at 16:36

You say that, but bored children are probably somewhere between hurricanes and large earthquakes on the danger scale.

Spaceball-Two > AestheticsInMotion
03/25/2020 at 16:43

Yesterday the 4 year old was building a catapult to shoot rocks over the fence. The 1 year old has figured out how to pull laptops off the table while you’re working. It’s hell on Earth here

Gerry197 > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:51

No sure, my guess is an average based on their last years tax returns, which is what they are doing for the stimulus checks.

Also banks statements of compensation for the last few months if they want to check it further.

fintail > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 16:57

Too lazy to read every comment - is this taxable? Assuming it is, because of course - gotta bail out some foreign flag-flying cruise lines.

DipodomysDeserti > AestheticsInMotion
03/25/2020 at 16:58

My daughter fed her brand new glasses to our puppy a few weeks ago. $500 doesn’t last a long time with kids.

facw > Thomas Donohue
03/25/2020 at 17:04

The P ost says it’s based on 2019 taxes, which is better but still misses the point.

They do have expanded unemployment of $600/month for four months, which helps people who have lost their jobs recently somewhat, but still isn’t great.

AestheticsInMotion > Spaceball-Two
03/25/2020 at 17:04

Ooof. I’ve certainly got it easy by comparison.

My buddy is stuck home alone with two thirteen year old girls who don’t get along at the moment. I've face-timed him a few times and heard screams in the background

facw > Gerry197
03/25/2020 at 17:05

$600 per month, not per week.

facw > LastFirstMI is my name
03/25/2020 at 17:07

Keep Carlos Danger out of this. And everything else as well. There’s a lot of things we can blame for Hillary’s loss in 2016, but certainly the stupidest factor was Mr. Danger’s inability to keep it in his pants.

Gerry197 > facw
03/25/2020 at 17:07

Nope, it’s per week. on the Federal package.

facw > Gerry197
03/25/2020 at 17:09

Hmm, the Post article says:

This Senate bill will give an extra $600 per month for up to four months to people already receiving their states’ unemployment insurance.

But also includes a tweet:

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Unfortunately, I don’t think they are done writing the bill yet, so we can’t go straight to the text. Hopefully that will be out soon.

Gerry197 > facw
03/25/2020 at 17:11

The tweet says $600 a week.

The most recent thing I read was weekly, I think the post was a mistype .

Gerry197 > facw
03/25/2020 at 17:12

Here is a corrected and updated post: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/senate-stimulus-unemployment-benefits-coronavirus/index.html

Of course nothing is set in stone yet, but it’s heading that way.

Thomas Donohue > facw
03/25/2020 at 17:16

2019 if filed....otherwise 2018.

EL_ULY > Mid Engine
03/25/2020 at 17:37

EL_ULY > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 17:40

3 questions

is mayonnaise an instrument?

if my wife and I filed jointly, does that count as Juan check or 2?

will Garth ever get his Sports Illustrated football phone?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > EL_ULY
03/25/2020 at 17:44

1. Mayonnaise is an instrument of death, so yes.

2. Dos checket os

3. He has friends in low places, so maybe?

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > facw
03/25/2020 at 17:46

I thought it was on 2018 taxes. 2019 taxes aren’t done so how do they even know?

It doesn’t mean anything for my family or most people I know, though. U nless you own a home you bought 20+ years ago, you really can’t live in King County on less the cutoffs in this bill . It’s a huge windfall for my family that lives in a cheaper metro with a cheaper house that they should be close to paying off, though. But then again, for it to have an appreciable effect where I live, it’d need to exceed a typical mortgage payment, and even if I got the maximum my family could get it wouldn’t be that much.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Gerry197
03/25/2020 at 17:49

That’s truly huge. The rapid increase in the gig economy has left a lot of people without a real safety net.

But a lot of us did/do it for the money. It often pays substantially more than we’d make in traditional employment.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 17:49

I wonder where all that money will end up and how stimulating it will be...

Gerry197 > Eric @ opposite-lock.com
03/25/2020 at 17:50

Absolutely and it can go a long way in helping get back on their feet. 4 months of compensation would be a big deal in these times and in the long run help the economy as a whole.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Spaceball-Two
03/25/2020 at 17:51

Seriously, we’ll happily rent him out for free. We pay substantially more than $500 a month just for child care so we can both work.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Spaceball-Two
03/25/2020 at 17:54

This is my last day of freedom. We’re trying to reduce our risk of catching it , so we’re trial running keeping our 16-month-old home. It’s a balancing act between the risk of him catching something from the nanny share family (which I think is fairly low, since they’re almost as cautious as us) and the disruption to our lives that comes from trying to keep him busy while trying to work half days during business hours.

Sovande > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 17:58

And even though my income is now $0 a year I won't be able to qualify since I already filed my taxes. I knew making good money would screw me in the end.

Spaceball-Two > Eric @ opposite-lock.com
03/25/2020 at 17:58

I’m on day 2, my wife on week 2 and it’s been eye opening for sure. Our main concern was to limit exposure by not having one at school and another at day care.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Spaceball-Two
03/25/2020 at 18:15

If he was in either, he would have been out weeks ago. We just have a unique situation and I was hoping to make it through this with him there, but my wife is too afraid to keep doing it even though I believe the risk is reasonably low.

facw > Eric @ opposite-lock.com
03/25/2020 at 18:21

I mean many people have filed their 2019 taxes (not me though), so it’s certainly possible.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > facw
03/25/2020 at 18:25

I already have, not that it would have changed anything, but you’d think they’d use a standard yardstick instead of whichever was newest. Easiest to just use the ones that are definitely completed (since a lot of people extend, extend, extend ) .

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
03/25/2020 at 20:21

This should have taken into account who was actually affected, not just 2018 taxes. For instance, let’s say I made less than Mr. JoeyJoeJoe in 2018, who made $100,001 . Today, I still have a job but Joey lost his three weeks ago. I will get $1,200 bucks and Joey will get zero, even though Joey is all but certain to make less than me this year because he won’t find a new job until May, and who knows if it will pay nearly as good as his last one.

Scary__goongala! > EL_ULY
03/25/2020 at 22:22

Kinja'd!!!

HammerheadFistpunch > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
03/26/2020 at 00:58

Agreed. I don’t need or didn’t earn this money but someone sure does. I gotta think on this

Stef Schrader > facw
03/26/2020 at 08:16

Nope - it’s $600 per week for 13 weeks, per NPR and a bunch of other sources I’ve read: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/821514231/whats-in-it-for-you-1-200-checks-13-weeks-of-unemployment-payments-and-more

I’ve never been so relieved in my life. I still can’t find a job and after getting sick last month, I was hoping to dig myself out of the hole with some features...about Sebring. Which didn’t happen. Unemployment benefits decrease dramatically whenever I do work, so weeks where I can only get one or two short articles in and then end up with half my unemployment benefits really hurt.

A ll of my full-time job prospects disappeared overnight right when I thought I might finally be getting somewhere. Optimism: Never do it, not even once. I’m back to being the leftover useless piece of crap that no one wants, I guess. Always in the wrong place at the wro ng time. I wish I didn’t need this. I also kinda wish I didn’t exist at this point. Nothing ever even goes fine for me, and it certainly never gets better. I’m just here to suffer, I guess.

I just hope it comes soon.

BigBlock440 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
03/26/2020 at 11:03

It does, it adds $600/week to unemployment in addition to whatever the state does.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Stef Schrader
03/26/2020 at 12:46

*hugs* I’m sorry to hear all of that, Stef.

Things can and do get better. I know it doesn’t seem, look, or feel like it now, but they do. The dot-com crash left me in a similar situation and the series of lifeline UI extensions, small gigs, and living with my parents was how I ended up getting through that period . A little echo recession in tech a few years later (when things were looking up) left me unemployed and homeless briefly before I ended up, once again, moving in with my parents. Eventually the gigs just kept coming until I was picking/choosing, turning many away, and I eventually landed a full-time job...

My hope is that the government comes up with a safety net for the many of us that have for various reasons gone into freelancing. These piecemeal solutions that only come after you’ve been stressing how you’ll pay the bills is not good for anyone.

Stef Schrader > Eric @ opposite-lock.com
03/27/2020 at 04:35

Yeah. I’m in the picking and choosing part category right now, but to be honest, why the hell does no one choose me for a full-time job? It’s so depressing when everyone else who’s left here seems to land on their feet, yet I’m the one who gets asked “have you considered other jobs in other industries?” as if I’m just bad at this one. So few people who offered to help find me what I’m looking for are actually doing that. I just don’t know what the hell is wrong with me and why I’m everyone’s last choice for anything. It’s like no one wants me around in a meaningful, long-term way.

I’ve been on unemployment so long that it looks like those benefits will run out before the end of this year, at which point I won’t even have that safety net. I spend a lot of time wishing I didn’t exist lately .