"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/22/2020 at 09:30 • Filed to: None
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"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/22/2020 at 09:30 • Filed to: None | 1
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[Update] I bought a drive kit and !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .
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You’re looking at the starter for a Kohler SV735-0016 twin. For those not familiar with this starter, the small “washer” below the gear is threaded on the inside. When the starter is energized, the shaft spins counter-clockwise and the washer pushes the gear up to engage with the gears on the flywheel. There is no direct connection between the starter shaft and the starter gear. Instead, there’s supposed to be a rubber piece that is smooth on the bottom and slotted on the top to mesh with the gear. It transfers the rotational force of the washer to the starter gear. The remnants of that part can be seen in the picture.
Age and heat did it in. We knew something was horribly wrong by the screeching noise it was making when it was last started. The rubber piece had split, managed to get wedged between the washer and the starter body, and was holding the gear against the underside of the flywheel. That’s why the top of the gear is somewhat polished. There’s also supposed to be a cap on the top of the shaft which contains a spring to push the gear back down after starting. Clearly, that’s missing too.
Now I have a conundrum. I can buy an OEM starter for around $180. I can buy an aftermarket starter for as low as $70. Or I can go really cheap and buy a drive rebuild kit for about $25.
I hate to see everything replaced when all I really need is the rebuild kit. However, replacing the whole starter is simpler and guarantees that it will work.
Decisions, decisions.
I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 09:39 |
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The rebuild will be more fun I think
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
03/22/2020 at 09:43 |
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Ever so slightly more complicated, so perhaps more fun . The only hard part will be the c-clip and that is readily accessible so it shouldn’t be a big deal at all.
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I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 09:49 |
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Hm, how do you pop that out? A small flat blade screwdriver? I’m used to circlips/e-clips with holes or tabs to pop them out.
Fuckkinja
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 10:04 |
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I would order two rebuild kits. It is a very common problem. It’s is going to happen again. The electric motor should be fine. Just make sure the c clip doesn’t launch across the room and disappear.
Brickman
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 10:11 |
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Rebuild it. To put the new c-clip, place the clip on top the shaft and drive it in with a socket that can fit on the shaft. A dd some grease on the shaft after. Looks like it could use it.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
03/22/2020 at 10:14 |
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I don’t do it often, but I’ve been successful with a pair of pliers and something solid to brace against the ends of the c-clip.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Fuckkinja
03/22/2020 at 10:14 |
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Across the room? Try across the lawn. :)
Maybe I should put down a large tarp just in case.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Brickman
03/22/2020 at 10:16 |
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Good idea. The shaft is completely dry. Who knows how long it’s been that way. It’s not exactly a maintenance item!
dumpsterfire!
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 10:19 |
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I won't be mowing either, still getting snow.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> dumpsterfire!
03/22/2020 at 10:23 |
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Thus the username! We already have lots of growth. I managed to get the tractor started one last time to mow the front lawn and move my trailer. I had to mow the back lawn with the push mower. We are now fully into spring, so mowing will be a weekly chore once again.
Nom De Plume
> dumpsterfire!
03/22/2020 at 10:25 |
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I’ve seen someone (attempt) mowing/mowblowing their driveway after a snowstorm.
shop-teacher
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 10:29 |
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Go for the rebuild. It's the manly way ;)
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> shop-teacher
03/22/2020 at 10:40 |
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I’ll also need to add more power!
MiniGTI - now with XJ6
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 10:54 |
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I think those shafts are supposed to be dry, putting grease just makes it jam up from dirt faster.
The starter on my Toro snowblower had trouble getting the gear to fly up and I think it’s because the flutes on the end of the shaft are worn off.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> MiniGTI - now with XJ6
03/22/2020 at 10:58 |
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Ma ybe so. It does only see intermittent use and the return spring is housed under a protective cap . Now I’ll have to call the local lawn repair guy and see what he has to say. I planned to call him to see if I could get the parts locally. He may be a bit higher, but it would save me a few days and shipping costs. Plus he can provide free advice!
glemon
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 11:35 |
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If it is easy to pull the starter motor I would get the cheap one or rebuild. If it is a royal pain (I can't imagine it would be, garden stuff is still pretty simple under the hood) maybe go factory.
Brighammer
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 11:56 |
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As someone who runs an independent small engine repair shop I feel your qua ndry.
Ten years ago I would suggest the OEM unit. Not an to more. Kohler has outsourced so much of their stuff to Chinese manufacturers that the premium of the OEM is not worth any headache you would have getting OEM warranty on it.
I don’t see problems with the rebuild kit at all if your motor still spins correctly. I’d go that route(on my own) or th e aftermarket (on a customer’s unit. I charge $7 5\hour and Mark parts up 25% so it would likely be the most economical route. I f not the rebuild is an option. Once I did both so the customer had a spare).
Also, as an independent shop, I buy so many of my parts off eBay or Amazon. Quick free\inexpenzive shipping compared to other online dealers. I have dealer accounts places, but the shipping costs and lead times can kill the savings....
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Brighammer
> MiniGTI - now with XJ6
03/22/2020 at 11:57 |
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Yes they should be dry. Use a dry graphite powder if anything.
ClassicDatsunDebate
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 12:00 |
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You know what those engineers in Wisconsin are good at? Not designing starters.
Sorry, I’m binging Norm MacDonald.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> glemon
03/22/2020 at 12:03 |
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It’s easy enough to pull. Two bolts and a single nut for power. I think I’m going to see what the local parts guy has available tomorrow morning.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Brighammer
03/22/2020 at 12:06 |
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Thank you for the feedback! I’m going to give the local small engine repair guys a call in the morning to see if they have the parts on-hand. I know in this age of just-in-time delivery, many places don’t keep an inventory. But you never know! I like to use local guys when I can to help keep them afloat, especially in this situation.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 12:49 |
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I have the Kohler S
V710. Same issue.
I used an aftermarket starter from eBay
. It’s been fine.
If I had known about
the rebuild kits, I would’ve done that.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> VincentMalamute-Kim
03/22/2020 at 13:03 |
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Thanks for the feedback. I thought an aftermarket one would be fine since they are low-use items, but it’s nice to hear feedback from someone with direct experience.
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VincentMalamute-Kim
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 13:20 |
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You’re welcome. Age info: I think the tractor is like 10 years old and the damn Kohler starter failed in like 2 years. The off-brand one has been in service for 8 years.
Pretty annoyed when it failed
since I got that model
for the “Kohler” name. I see the other comments here about Kohler parts quality. oh well.
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shop-teacher
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 13:26 |
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Exactly. The real solution here, is to drop in a small block Chevy.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> VincentMalamute-Kim
03/22/2020 at 13:28 |
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I’m not sure how old this tractor is. I inherited it about three years ago and who knows how long my mom had it before then.
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/22/2020 at 15:43 |
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A third option might be to pay the local small engine shop to repair the starter for you. Probably how I’d go because no experience in that arena and because support a local business.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Brighammer
03/22/2020 at 15:45 |
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Do you have any experience with the Honda 900-watt suitcase generator? Mine has a feature on it where it throttles down when there’s little or no load. I’ve had it more than ten years and I take it out of the shed and run it a couple times per year. Last time, I took it out and ran it under a load and I got the indication that I’d overloaded it, and at that point, it began running funkily. I took it to the local lawn mower shop and the guy rebuilt the carburetor, but it doesn’t throttle down like it used to when no load. Thoughts?
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Brighammer
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/22/2020 at 15:49 |
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In the 2000w ones I’ve worked on that is cont role d by a tiny solenoid. And also relies on linkages working properly. My guess would be a solenoid adn\or linkage issue
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Brighammer
03/22/2020 at 15:50 |
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How’s the family holding up? Can you and Missus use that bus as a holding cell?
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/22/2020 at 16:03 |
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The best way to get experience is to do it myself. I’m going to see if the local shop has the parts I need. I can support them by buying from them.
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Brighammer
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/22/2020 at 16:48 |
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Rea lly can’t complain. Its beautiful fr now. We got enough room and outbuildings for the boys to stay busy\out of our hair. ;-)
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Brighammer
03/22/2020 at 16:50 |
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That’ looks great. Where is that?
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Brighammer
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/22/2020 at 16:58 |
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Estacada, OR. In the hills outside Portland
Camshaft09
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/23/2020 at 22:41 |
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I had the same thing happen on my G ravely 1540 with a 15 horse Kohl and got lucky on the old Facebook marketplace. A guy a county away had one just hanging around for like $40, I offered the guy 30 and he said ya bought it!!
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Camshaft09
03/23/2020 at 23:13 |
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The whole tractor, the starter, or the drive kit?
M.T. Blake
> TheRealBicycleBuck
03/23/2020 at 23:22 |
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COVID-19 KILLED YOUR MOWER!!!!
Bigdaddykelley
> VincentMalamute-Kim
03/24/2020 at 07:37 |
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Were do i find this aftermarket starter for my kohler