"Bandit" (2bandit)
03/16/2020 at 10:16 • Filed to: None
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"Bandit" (2bandit)
03/16/2020 at 10:16 • Filed to: None | 4
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Not car related but I’ve seen a lot of gun posts recently so I figured my latest project would fit right in. 1893 German built Turkish Mauser.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Bandit
03/16/2020 at 10:49 |
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Great restoration work, looks really nice and not bubba’d! How’s it shoot?
I re-did a Chinese SKS once, it was a fun project.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Bandit
03/16/2020 at 11:02 |
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Nice.
I’ve got a Remington 1894 “Hammerless” double-barrel from ~1898 that I’ve been trying to get put back together myself. I got the new hammer springs in, which was a mortal terror, and now am faced with the sears being worn in such a way I’ll have to file them down to work. Huzzah.
See, the sear recess in the hammer has evolved from wear into more of a “pocket” than a flat edge for the sear to slip off of, and where this wasn’t a problem with the old hammer spring, the increased tension of new springs means the sear can’t “pop” out of the pocket. So I’ll have to file down the edge.
Meanwhile, I also had to replace the spring for the top lever, and I need to find a fine-thread #8 screw for the top lever. And the butt-plate was missing, and matched no known butt-plate (because the stock is custom-made Korean zelkova - long story), I had to make one.
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Bandit
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
03/16/2020 at 11:09 |
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Thanks! I prefer to leave milsurps in ‘as returned’ condition since they have so much history in each scratch and dent, but in this case to make the rifle safe to shoot and prevent further deterioration I needed to step in and do the refurbishment work. I didn’t want to sand the stock smooth or pretty anything up too much because then it looses its history. Shoots well, my 50s Ethiopian surplus ammo is crap though - s o many hangfires and unignited primers.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Bandit
03/16/2020 at 11:19 |
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I’m the same way as far as originality . Most of my Mil-surp stuff is in as-is condition.
M y SKS was in similarly dangerous condition though - big crack around the receiver tang area that was just waiting to shove splinters into my thumb, and about to split in half down the middle under the folding bayonet. It had some really deep dents & gouges as well. I had to stop & fix the cracks and steam out the dents as best I could. It had some nasty varnish on it so I had to unfortunately sand it, and I refinished with just oil, but managed to keep it close to original color. It’s not perfect but I think I turned a piece of junk into a serviceable rifle.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
03/16/2020 at 11:21 |
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Be careful sanding sears - is it a hardened piece? I’ve seen some more modern rifles where people file down the sears to make the trigger smoother and end up taking off the hardened layer, so the steel pretty quickly wears down after that and eventually you end up with unintentional discharges or surprise machine guns!
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
03/16/2020 at 11:35 |
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The fact that the sear slot on the hammer
has developed a recess from use indicates to me it’s not hardened beyond some ordinary heat treatment, or not very. Certainly not a modern case-hardened piece, given 1898 manufacture, and that the firing pins also show some wear and blunting
. Your concern is somewhat warranted given that the safety is only a trigger safety - it doesn’t lock the hammers - but there is also the fact that being a break, there’s not much risk of discharge until it’s closed, and it can’t repeat fire. Also, if the sears fail to hold, the hammers are likely to snap-to while the gun is still open, before it’s closed to the point of contact over the primers.
Possibly I should have bought new-old-stock hammers while I was buying the springs, but eh. I’m going to touch them lightly, test, touch them with the file, test, etc. until I get *actual release* instead of no release at all.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
03/16/2020 at 11:51 |
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I wasn’t sure with the age of the gun how much, if any, hardening was done. I know they did some back then, but it was often as much or more for aesthetics than function. I do love me some color case hardening though.
It sounds like you’ve put some thought into this, though, and you are certainly more familiar with the function of a break action gun than I am, I have almost zero experience with them. I’m just trying to provide some good backup. I find that the more you think about safety and put safety practices into place, the more you mitigate potential problems if/when accident does happen.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
03/16/2020 at 12:33 |
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I think the sear itself might be more hardened than the hammer, since it engages with a tiny “finger” that’s more thin that the ledge it sets into, and it doesn’t appear to be what’s worn. But possibly not. In any event, the discrepancy has got to be tiny - the sear was releasing okay with the old hammer spring, but with the higher tension of the new springs, would probably be like a 30lb trigger pull if the ancient trigger or sear itself didn’t break, so...
What’s irritating is that the hammer “released” position has the sear notch under the sear, so I’ll have to pop the sear pivot pin and the sears out to work on the notch.
Anyway, I’ve become a believer in the power of dutiful filing after how much improvement I saw on the action and sliding parts of
my Century Arms ‘87 Winchester repro. Chinese “about right” working finish and tolerances are somewhat less than great
. That has a “rolling block” action that has to pivot on a slot on an axle, and moving smoothly enough to extract and eject
- or even unlock cleanly - was a problem.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> Bandit
03/16/2020 at 23:47 |
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I’m curious how a turkish rifle ended up in the states.
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Bandit
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
03/31/2020 at 10:03 |
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Me too! The ad for this rifle said it was sitting somewhere in the states for 50 years, but where were they before that? No way were they using 1800s weapons up to the 1970s