"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
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"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
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I understand that emissions equipment is a bummer, I like power, I like the idea of tuning...but the law exists for good reasons and you don’t get to flaunt it just because you have a tv show.
facw
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:05 |
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Good.
vondon302
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:08 |
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This makes my day!
My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:13 |
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What you mean the disclaimer at the beginning of the show was a lie? The horror!
Jim Spanfeller
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:18 |
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I never understood rolling coal... It doesn’t increase performance, it’s bad for your engine’s health, it makes your truck look like it’s broken by dumping sooty smoke out the exhaust pipes, because you basically ARE breaking it on purpose, it’s bad for the environment and disgusting for anyone that has to breathe air near it... Not to mention that pretty much its only purpose is to annoy people. It’s quite possibly the douche- iest mod in existence. Let them get sued, the world will be a better place because of it.
haveacarortwoorthree2
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:21 |
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Too bad part of the penalty couldn’t have been that they had to suck on an exhaust pipe of one of their “modified” trucks for 15-20 minutes.
jimz
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 08:23 |
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because the people who do it are wannabe alpha-males who are basically saying “I need to assert my dominance over you but you’ll kick my ass if I try to piss in your face. So I’ll blast you with smoke and speed away to safety.”
just a bunch of chickenshit asshole little “men” who never got past age 13 mentally.
MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:23 |
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From their attorney
What’s disappointing is that the parties were unable to resolve this through a private settlement, which would have resulted in a lot more of a restorative effort in Utah
Because people facing legal consequences for violating the law is disappointing somehow.
And if they are so concerned about restorative efforts in Utah your clients could...I don’t know...donate their time and money on their own.
pip bip - choose Corrour
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:24 |
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excellent result
ttyymmnn
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:25 |
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They needn’t worry too much. I’m sure Trump will pardon them.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:25 |
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“Money going to Washington”
Just like your exhaust it doesn’t magically stay put.
Long_Voyager94
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:27 |
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As someone who owned and loved/hated a modded diesel truck..........I say GOOD.
Rolling coal is a douche move with zero excuse.
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:30 |
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“ Court documents show that none of the fines can be avoided or discharged in bankruptcy.”
Gave them the student load treatment, good.
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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> haveacarortwoorthree2
03/10/2020 at 08:35 |
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jimz
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
03/10/2020 at 08:38 |
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or- and this might sound crazy- “restorative efforts” wouldn’t be needed if they hadn’t done this shit in the first place.
imadick
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 08:39 |
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Because “Fuck small dick Prius owners and cyclists, I’m more of a man than them!!”
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Jim Spanfeller
> jimz
03/10/2020 at 08:40 |
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Basically, yeah. I used to know someone like that, and it was almost funny how absurd they were at times. He did indeed have a coal-rolling truck which he bragged about blasting Priuses with. He also mocked this one poor guy mercilessly for driving a Mini Cooper (a rather nice one, I might add), calling it a girl’s car and claiming his truck could beat it in a race. I tried to defend the Mini driver and said that the truck would lose as soon as corners were involved in the race, but the truck guy insisted that “NUH-UH, MY TRUCK HAS 400 BRAKE HORSEPOWER! I’M FASTER THAN A MINI!” W never did manage to convince him that power doesn’t help you in corners... His friends then pointed out he couldn’t even drive a manual without stalling, and he proceeded to BRAG about how his truck has an automatic, so his truck shifts perfectly all the time. He was annoying.
SiennaMan
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
03/10/2020 at 08:44 |
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That's lawyer speak for "it's a shame we couldn't keep this hush hush to protect my clients and people like them."
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jimz
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 08:46 |
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lemme guess- he also watched a ton of UFC/MMA, right?
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Jim Spanfeller
> jimz
03/10/2020 at 08:55 |
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Dunno. But I do know that he was a big fan of gangsta rap, as he would blast it constantly. I used to die inside a lot back then... I actually pre f er red it when the redneck bros would blast their ridiculous country music instead. I’m not a fan of either genre, but “Honky T onk L ike Donky Kong” is infinitely superior to “I’m gonna #$%^&8&^$%^##^%$&$ !#%&*&^!!!!!!! YOUR MOM!!!!!!”, or whateve r it was that guy was listening to.
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 08:56 |
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We just had a discussion about what people should and shouldn’t do with their cars or which cars they should or shouldn’t buy. I think it’s worth reflecting upon how this story does or doesn’t go along with the spirit of that last discussion. My own opinion about coal rolling is that it amounts to people defecating on the sidewalk with the express purpose of causing certain groups of people to step in it...
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ttyymmnn
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
03/10/2020 at 09:00 |
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This is the Trump Era. Nobody is responsible for anything they do, and the biggest criminals will get pardoned. Accountability is dead.
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Jim Spanfeller
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
03/10/2020 at 09:03 |
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Roundup is the worst. It’s only effective at killing weeds because it has horrible poisons in it that’ll harm just about anything, including people. There have been all sorts of studies finding horrible things Roundup can do, but the company keeps squashing them with lawyers. I might sound like some organic health nut, but mostly I just really hate Roundup. There are better ways to kill plants.
ranwhenparked
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 09:05 |
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I know you shouldn't judge a book by its cover and all, but have you ever seen a picture of a complete stranger, and thought to yourself "I'd pay good money if it guarantee I'd never have to interact with that person?"
My bird IS the word
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 09:09 |
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jimz
> ttyymmnn
03/10/2020 at 09:11 |
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eh, he’s just a product of his generation. Hate to say it (which means I don’t actually hate to say it) but Boomers perfected the whole “it’s not my fault!” thing.
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My bird IS the word
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 09:12 |
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Always gonna be tasteless car mods. Stancing ruins handling, tire wear, and will grind off the bottom of your car. Before that there were donks. Before that, there were rice rods. Before that, you would lift the rear suspension (putting all the weight on the front tires, losing traction) put massive drag tires on, and paint flames on your hood.
DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 09:14 |
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It’s funny because people who I’ve talked to who have their truck set up to ro al coal argue the same points but the opposite of what you said. There’s no almost no reasoning with them because their perception of reality is so different.
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ttyymmnn
> jimz
03/10/2020 at 09:14 |
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Please define “Boomer.”
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Jim Spanfeller
> My bird IS the word
03/10/2020 at 09:15 |
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Actually, I don’t mind that last one so much, but yeah.
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Jim Spanfeller
> DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back
03/10/2020 at 09:18 |
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Because admitting their mods weaken their trucks is like admitting weakness, and they can’t have that! Nooooooooo...
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jimz
> ttyymmnn
03/10/2020 at 09:18 |
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one who booms
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ttyymmnn
> jimz
03/10/2020 at 09:21 |
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Thanks.
MonkeePuzzle
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 09:33 |
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I will allow the argument that you can do whatever dumb thing you want with your own cars, but they are running a business, and selling things in violation of the law is dumb
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My bird IS the word
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 09:36 |
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According to my old boss, most of the ones done in the period were not done correctly and he would routinely smoke people simply because they couldn’t get traction despite the massive tires.
ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
03/10/2020 at 09:59 |
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Debts to the government have a way of working like that.
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Jim Spanfeller
> My bird IS the word
03/10/2020 at 10:11 |
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Wouldn’t be surprised. There will always be people modifying their cars improperly. But ya gotta start somewhere, right? :p
functionoverfashion
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 10:11 |
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Seriously, I used some of it on an area of poison ivy near my house and years later things still aren’t really growing there. Umm, well at least we don’t have poison ivy, and it’s all downhill from my house and anything that would affect any of us or anyone else (there’s not another house down the hill for almost half a mile).
Nasty stuff.
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functionoverfashion
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 10:13 |
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This was a show?
Ugh.
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Jim Spanfeller
> functionoverfashion
03/10/2020 at 10:23 |
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It really is. What’s really scary is that some of the few studies that resisted pressure from Roundup to keep quiet found some... disturbing things. They found stuff like mutations developing in mice after a few generations being exposed to it, with some of the mice even growing hair inside their mouths, which just... ew. There was even some suggestion that the widespread use of Roundup products could be at least partially linked to the growing number of kids with allergies, health problems, and mental disorders. It’s certainly not helping anyone. I’ve read of ways to make your own weed killers using stuff like vinegar and warm water that aren’t nearly as harmful to humans and are almost just as effective as Roundup, and I think I’ll go with them instead.
DipodomysDeserti
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
03/10/2020 at 10:28 |
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There’s a scene from an Edward Abbey novel where some environmentalists poison a mining company exec with uranium tailings from one of his mines.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 10:37 |
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I’ve used vinegar and it works alright. I’ve now started to just plant more stuff that prevents weeds from going. Easy to do in the desert.
66P1800inpieces
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
03/10/2020 at 10:37 |
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Thank you for providing the background on this.
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DipodomysDeserti
> MonkeePuzzle
03/10/2020 at 10:56 |
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The CAA applies both to businesses and individuals.
lone_liberal
> My bird IS the word
03/10/2020 at 11:01 |
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Thing is, though, those mods only affected you not everyone around you. There is something uniquely awful about mods done just to blow smoke in other people’s faces.
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MonkeePuzzle
> DipodomysDeserti
03/10/2020 at 11:03 |
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yes. oyu miss my point.
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DipodomysDeserti
> MonkeePuzzle
03/10/2020 at 11:14 |
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No, I got it, just clarifying that the “you can do whatever dumb thing you want with your own cars” argument is not allowed in the case of the Clean Air Act.
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MonkeePuzzle
> DipodomysDeserti
03/10/2020 at 11:21 |
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K
MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 11:34 |
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Like these god given HANDS
Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 11:43 |
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If you’re going to violate federal law, do not do it on camera. And for the love of god, do not do it on national TV!
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Jim Spanfeller
> My bird IS the word
03/10/2020 at 12:31 |
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A thought just came to me... Does this mean that raising the rear suspension of a front wheel drive car will improve traction in a straight line? I know Gassers raise the front suspension to put more weight on the rear wheels, but would it work the other way for front wheel drive cars as well? What would the downside be, besides the obvious higher center of gravity?
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 13:06 |
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Just here to say that the comment thread on that article is well...just about what you’d expect from the comment thread on any news source.
So many armchair scientists in Utah! Also people for whom apparently the Diesel Brothers are the last hope against a government gone mad.
fintail
> jimz
03/10/2020 at 13:06 |
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Looking at the guys in the lead pic, these are exactly the ones who would either run for their daddy or simply hide under a rock if actually challenged by someone.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> ZHP Sparky, the 5th
03/10/2020 at 13:12 |
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Yup. Was reading those and weeping
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/10/2020 at 13:29 |
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I don’t think they are similar arguments at all . One is - should a person be able to choose a car that isn’t directly related to their needs. The other is should a person be able to disregard the law because it doesn’t align with their wants.
Like we tell our kids, you are free to choose but you don’t get to choose the consequences . They chose to put their believes and business model above the law...they are free to do so. They are not free from the consequences of such actions. They knew they were in direct violation with the law and I have no sympathy.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> functionoverfashion
03/10/2020 at 13:30 |
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Still is as far as I know.
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functionoverfashion
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 13:32 |
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If only there was a way to look it up... nope, I don’t want to either.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 13:38 |
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That’s fair. I personally think the coal-rolling bro trucks are an affront on multiple layers. If they were making performance mods that happened to make the vehicles smokier, that’d be one thing, but it seems like making lots of smoke is part of the plan.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/10/2020 at 13:44 |
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I mean, even a tune that simply deletes the emissions equipment is pretty questionable. PM2.5 in combination with ground level ozone is a HUGE contributor to utah notoriously crappy winter air. Someone intentionally removing their particulate filters because they don’t like what it does to their performance? yeah sorry. No.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> HammerheadFistpunch
03/10/2020 at 14:25 |
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Fair enough. The California smog requirements that the rest of the country likes to beef about all came from people breathing car exhaust. Please don’t get me wrong: I’m not taking issue with you, just having a partner-share thinkaloud.
There are some issues, like rolling coal or coming last minute to the provident living game, or other things, that crisscross the political spectrum. Somewhere in Flyover Country, maybe population is sparser and people can roll coal and nobody notices the effects. At the same time, politically, it’s an opportunity to own some Liberals.
Then again, my old van is pre-75 and belches, but I’m not driving it until I get the newer carburetor for it so it belches less.
I’m with you 100% on this. I was just curious whether you saw any overlap to the other, and you don’t, and I agree with you there, too.
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My bird IS the word
> Jim Spanfeller
03/10/2020 at 14:41 |
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Presumably. I wasnt good enough at math to be an engineer though. I would worry about stability and you would have to have stiff springs to prevent compression at launch. I’ve never seen it on an fwd drag car so my guess would be something bad