Stop Me, Oppo

"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
03/05/2020 at 14:30 • Filed to: but I wonder if it's really a manual

I know, no one will ever discourage another person here from buying a decent vehicle, or even a totally questionable one so long as it’s fun or interesting, and they don’t have to pay the bills or lie under it in the snow trying to figure out where that smoke was coming from.

But in a recent conversation here, I was reminded to do my periodic search for my own personal Holy Grail truck: an early 00's F-series with the V- 10 and a 6-speed manual gearbox. Yes, this exists, and yes it’s awesome. Most of them are used-and-abused bare bones work trucks with lots of hard miles, like the one I used to drive for my work, which is how I came to know this rare and wondrous beast. Well, a quick look on Autotrader.com/overkill showed me this. BEHOLD:

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

And !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! in case of severe KINJAVID-19.

It’s even a great COLOR! Lariat trim! Most of these things are Fleet White, Red, or rust. It’s a V-10 6-speed manual ext. cab, 4x4 with a matching cap, no less. I think it’s a good thing this vehicle is in Minnesota, or else I’d be hard-selling this to my wife right now.

Someone go buy this, take nice care of it, and sell it to me in a few years. Please? Also just let me know if there’s any hidden rust, in which case, hard pass. It looks good though, in the ONLY PIC this stupid place has posted.

There’s also a nice full-crew-cab 8' bed !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! in PA that looks pretty nice. T hat’s a LOT of truck, even for [call for price]. At least you can see the manual shifter in the pics.

DISCUSSION (62)

i86hotdogs > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:37

I am asking you politely to buy that please.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:40

Whoa. Whoa! WHOA!!!!

So, is that a T-56 behind that motor, in the same configuration that Dodge put a T-56 behind the VIPER? Because, if so, I really, really really need you to buy that truck and send/post pics of the transfer case interface to the back of the gearbox.

That’s been The Holy Grail for a cult of us in the 4X4 world— a Tremec-to-Transfer-Case... and you just told me Ford built it.

Details. Please. Really, Please.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > i86hotdogs
03/05/2020 at 14:42

Screw politeness. The Wholly Spirits COMMAND him to buy that truck and share pictures. Revealing pictures. Nether region pictures. “Shows It ALL pictures”.

Because that’s a unicorn combo I really need more info on.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:46

On the other hand, the V-10 isn’t much of motor. My experience with them has been that they’re not nearly as powerful as you might expect. They’re only really good at making noise and emptying the gas tank. If you want an underpowered one of these trucks, you’re probably better off with a 5.4 V8 one. Not significantly more underpowered in actual use, and they hold the possibility of double digit fuel mileage (only on the highway, unloaded).

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:46

I’m seeing 9600 V-10s of that era for sale across the country. Only 100 of them are manual. 1% of the run. But they did build it. I’m stunned.

Brickman > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:46

No, do not bu..... V10 6 speed! ??

Very nice! Unique color with matching cap.

shop-teacher > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:51

I am stunned to learn that is a thing that exists.

WilliamsSW > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:53

Sorry but I went to the dealers website, and the 6th picture clearly shows PRND321 on the dash, and you can see part of the gear selector.

InFierority Complex > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 14:54

It’s an automatic :(

Kinja'd!!!

https://valdersvehicles.com/autostand/car/view/5/662

WilliamsSW > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 14:57

Perhaps it does exist, but this truck isn’t it.

Fake news from AutoTrader (it’s a slush box)

benjrblant > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 15:03

oppo no stoppo

Snuze: Needs another Swede > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
03/05/2020 at 15:08

Google-fu suggests it’s a ZF S6-650.

Under_Score > InFierority Complex
03/05/2020 at 15:09

Good work, detective. Thank you.

Future next gen S2000 owner > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 15:13

I never really understoo d the V-10. I have limited exposure to it but it seemed a whole lotta meh to me.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
03/05/2020 at 15:14

I was googling and apparently they offered 2 flavors of V10. The early trucks were 310 HP and 425 ft/lbs b ut the 05-07 trucks got 362 HP and 457 ft-lbs, which seems like a substantial improv ement. But I’ve heard all these trucks were AWFUL on fuel.

vondon302 > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 15:16

Some one buy this!

I'm so surprised this exists.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
03/05/2020 at 15:20

Making noise... 1 out of 2 ain’t bad...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 15:23

I’m stunned -- but not really surprised -- to learn that they get 9 gallons per mile. I’m not anti-pickup, but the particular truck posted here just says “big” and “bloat” to me. I’d buy a full size van before I bought a pickup. In fact, if I had the dough, I’d go buy the rubberized version of a Mercedes Metro van with the turbo four-banger and see how it did.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW
03/05/2020 at 15:24

Is that a joke?

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/05/2020 at 15:39

No, sadly. I went to the dealers website and it’s clearly an automatic, not the manual we would like it to be.

Lanciere posted a photo of the dash.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 15:46

I can stop you by simply telling you that this one is actually an automatic.

How do I know?

Well I went on that website in the picture and looked up that truck here:

https://valdersvehicles.com/used-trucks/car/view/1/662

And when you go to the picture of the dashboard, you’ll see this:

Kinja'd!!!

If it was manual, it wouldn’t have a column shifter or PRND321 listed on the dash.

So in other words, this dealer is one of the many idiot sellers who list automatic vehicles as manuals.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Snuze: Needs another Swede
03/05/2020 at 15:47

Interesting. That ZF was offered, briefly, in a similarly unicorn-ish Duramax 6.6L Chebby Truck version.

The gearbox is a close-ratio rock-crusher... but I think they had clutch issues behind 500 ft-lbs of D-max.

It, too, offered a 4X4 flavor.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
03/05/2020 at 15:48

I can confirm... I rented a moving truck with the 6.8L V10... it’s absolutely shit in terms of MPGs... worse than a GM van I rented with the 8.1 V8.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Snuze: Needs another Swede
03/05/2020 at 15:48

I can confirm... I rented a moving truck with the 6.8L V10... it’s absolutely shit in terms of MPGs... worse than a GM van I rented with the 8.1 V8.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 15:49

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

It’s contagious, but what’s the incubation period?

Cash Rewards > benjrblant
03/05/2020 at 15:49

Perfect

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 15:50

It doesn’t exist. It’s just that the dealer employee who placed the ad is an idiot. This thing is actually automatic. Here is the link to the vehicle on the dealer’s website:

https://valdersvehicles.com/used-trucks/car/view/1/662

Scroll to the dashboard picture and you’ll see evidence of a column shifter and ‘PRND321'

Cash Rewards > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
03/05/2020 at 15:51

Ive been here for years, I’m not showing any signs of...

*Checks drive way, sees 4 cars

*Confirms one is a 10+ year old truck with 230k miles

*Confirms Miata

... shit

EDIT: this works better for Oppovid-19

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > WilliamsSW
03/05/2020 at 15:53

Do you ever wonder how many improperly labeled m anuals you've missed by having your search set to one transmission option?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Cash Rewards
03/05/2020 at 15:54

Brown, Manual, wagon? goner rea ahhh

WilliamsSW > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
03/05/2020 at 15:57

Abso-freakin-lutely.

I’m enough of a geek about that, for certain cars (M3s because of the stupid SMG) I’ll just search for any transmission and pore through photos of cars I like to look for the 3rd pedal or shifter.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
03/05/2020 at 16:13

Interesting. I had an 01 Ram that had an NV5600 6 speed and NV transfer case behind it.

A T-56/xfer case would be interesting. I know theres a guy who did a T-56 with an AWD xfer case behind it in a Syclone truck. Might be a good starting point?

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
03/05/2020 at 16:26

I once owned at GMC 3500 dually with the 8.1. It also got terrible fuel mileage, but it did make useful power.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Snuze: Needs another Swede
03/05/2020 at 16:28

Yeah. That actually is a start. The intention would be a High-Po Baja Style Manual offroader— the T56 and successors are really strong but AFAIK were never offered in a AWD/4WD flavor. And the tail-housing is a beetch. But with a GM bell pattern up front? Lots of options.

As for the ZF? Yeah, we actually did end up with a ZF-S-650 in the shop, which I thought was Dmax... but most “manual” 2002-07 GMC’s were FIVE speeds behind 6.0s, so I thought briefly I was mistaken. But, digging a little deeper— turns out that oh-so-briefly GM offered the first gen DMAX with the ZF 6-speed, and apparently a lot of those ARE 4x4. The box is rugged, but apparently it really did eat clutches. I can’t believe they built that version, especially with so many in 4x4— they must have had a contract customer, government, military, fleet. SOMEBODY did a bulk buy of DMAX-Manual-4x4 3500 series. But, it’s a unicorn now. Far easier to find the Ford version...

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/05/2020 at 16:38

You’re just not a pickup man. You are a van man.

I honestly like both. I am a truck, all kinds of truck, guy.

shop-teacher > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
03/05/2020 at 16:38

I see tons of manual vehicles mislabeled as automatic on FB Marketplace.

shop-teacher > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
03/05/2020 at 16:39

Now the world makes sense again.

shop-teacher > WilliamsSW
03/05/2020 at 16:39

And with that knowledge, order is restored.

WilliamsSW > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 17:02

A shame though because V10 + manual + 4wd = who says no ?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 17:11

Which is just sad that people simply can’t be bothered, since I don’t want to go through 100 listings for every one listing I am interested in

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 17:11

I am most definitely a van man. I think they’re much more versital , by and large.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
03/05/2020 at 17:50

Plus those early Duramaxes had a lot of problems with head warping/cracking and such. But that would be a unicorn of a truck.

I’ve been reading up on the T-56 and it’s successor, the TR-6060. I am “systems engineering” a project car and I think that’s going to be my goto gearbox. But I have no need of 4wd/AWD for what I’m looking to do. But you’re right, they are stout boxes, and the bellhousing options are great. Just need to figure out the tailhousing - I think the guy who did the Syclone had to machine part of it off and make a special adapter Google around for it and if you can’t find the info let me know and I’ll try to dig it up if you’re interested . Actually, I haven’t paid too much attention, but is the tailhousing on the TR-6060 any different?

shop-teacher > WilliamsSW
03/05/2020 at 18:38

Rusty Vandura.

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/05/2020 at 18:39

They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

functionoverfashion > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
03/05/2020 at 21:35

Say it ain’t so... because any car I’ve searched for in any volume would be impossible to sort through all the automatics.

Actually no. The V70R. I’ve looked through “all” to see pics because let’s be honest, there aren’t very many V70Rs out there to begin with.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 21:38

But it’s exactly that haunting thought that you could have had better because everyone overlooked an improperly labeled gem! It’s best not to think about it.

functionoverfashion > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
03/05/2020 at 21:38

Get out of here with your logic and reason when I’m internet shopping vehicles I’m not going to really buy from halfway across the country, lol.

I mean, I’m kidding, and you’re right. But I drove a truck with this engine for years and loved that V-10 sound. It towed beautifully and gas mileage was irrelevant because work truck.

functionoverfashion > shop-teacher
03/05/2020 at 21:44

How about the Big One with 4 real doors, leather seats, a real 8' bed, AND a manual backing up a V10?! I didn’t really know they sold any nice ones with a manual. But I clearly don’t shop for these much, and usually only find work trucks configured with the manual. I’d love to have that huge one, but it’s ridiculous. Parking “isn’t an issue” for me in that I don’t park in a city, I almost never parallel park, I don’t park in a garage, etc. but even at my work, I’d have limited options to park that beast just because of the ludicrous turning radius, and length.

functionoverfashion > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/05/2020 at 21:45

functionoverfashion wants to agree, but one thing I’d want from a truck is the ability to run a plow, and vans are shitty plow trucks.

functionoverfashion > InFierority Complex
03/05/2020 at 21:47

Ugh, sad. Well, there’s still hope. They’re out there.

functionoverfashion > i86hotdogs
03/05/2020 at 21:49

Sadly this is an automatic... but these things do exist. The longboi linked lower down is a real-deal manual.

functionoverfashion > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
03/05/2020 at 21:50

Sad, but at least the longboi I linked to is a real-deal manual. So they do exist.

functionoverfashion > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
03/05/2020 at 21:51

Nevermind the logic that says the V8 is a better motor to have for lots of reasons. The V-10 makes great noises and the manual is so fun.

functionoverfashion > WilliamsSW
03/05/2020 at 21:53

You’re not alone in taking the time to burst that bubble. At least the longboi is legit, you can see from the pics too. So they’re out there. Maybe one day.

functionoverfashion > vondon302
03/05/2020 at 21:54

Sadly it turns out this one is another automatic mislabeled on the internet. But they do exist - the other one I linked to is legit, and even nicer. More surprising, if anything.

functionoverfashion > Future next gen S2000 owner
03/05/2020 at 21:56

Part of it was just spending a lot of time driving this beautifully bare-bones work truck with that engine and the 6-speed manual in my marina days. We all loved that truck, and it got driven hard year-round. I loved the sound of the engine and the manual transmission on top of that. It wasn’t any better at towing than our 2500 Silverado but it was more fun.

WilliamsSW > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 21:58

I’m always curious when an apparent unicorn shows up. And I’ve been burned too many times by ads that list the transmission wrong.

Still a cool truck, and I love the color.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 22:11

Pushing a plow is NOT on my van's specifications list. I've hauled a ton of concrete sacks in it before. I just loaded them manually and spread them around on the floor.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 22:33

No you want a 7.3 with a manual. V10 is just gas sucking noise maker

shop-teacher > functionoverfashion
03/05/2020 at 22:47

That thing is a BEAST!

AdverseMartyr > functionoverfashion
03/06/2020 at 09:35

Isn’t this the era of Fords where the V8 was guaranteed to shoot the rear sparkplugs out of the head every 60,000 miles (or somewhere in that vicinity)?

What makes the V10 a worse option than that?

Future next gen S2000 owner > functionoverfashion
03/06/2020 at 14:32

MMmmm nostalgia. Good times.