Did anyone get the make and model of the Biden campaign bus that ran Bernie over?

"David E. Davis" (imnotdedyet) 03/04/2020 at 08:54 • Filed to: 2020 Primary

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Bernie - 526 delegates

Biden - 756 delegates

Things just got really interesting. Now we have a fight on our hands. It is a sh ame my gal Liz Warren probably won’t last the week. 

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:06

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Sovande > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:11

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That bus was driven by every Republican who ever lived. 

MonkeePuzzle > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:17

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only 526!? WHAT A LOSER!!!

(I dont have any)

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 03/04/2020 at 09:22

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Ha! If he gets the nomination, his pick for running mate is going to be pretty critical in the general.

David E. Davis > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 03/04/2020 at 09:25

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Very accurate. This meme has had legs for a while.

For Sweden > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:28

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Sanders: Communism will win

Biden: How do I open a .zip file

Alternatively

Corvette: 8 Le Mans wins

Lada: 0 Le Mans w ins

For Sweden > MonkeePuzzle 03/04/2020 at 09:29

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yet

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:30

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I like Liz, I really do. If she were in Sander’s position I’d be telling Bernie to drop out and endorse her in the name of progressive ideals and beating trump at the populist game, but as is the inverse is clearly the case. Pete and Amy leaving consolidated the moderates behind Uncle Joe, I think the Progressives are numerous enough to pull it off if they aren ’t split.

Nibby > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:44

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Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:44

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Did anybody see the protesters who ran on stage during Bidens speech in LA? Something about dairy protesters? Apparently they did the same thing at a Sanders speech but were top less and pouring milk on themselves. 

Ash78, voting early and often > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:50

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Pretty simple explanation: Anywhere that the bulk of the Democratic base is African-American, voting for Obama’s right-hand man (a known quantity with a long political history) is kind of a no-brainer.

I just don’t think Bernie plays well down here. He comes across as a raving lunatic, and not in a cute way. But I can totally see idealistic young white Democrats loving his spiel.

MonkeePuzzle > For Sweden 03/04/2020 at 09:51

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fortunately as a freshly minuted citizen, i aint valid for all that nonsense

me and Obama were born in the same Kenyan hospital

CobraJoe > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2020 at 09:55

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I don’t think Sanders will do well in the midwest either, all I hear is clueless negative talk about “socialism”.

But, that being said, I don’t see our state’s electoral votes going for anyone but Trump.

MrSnrub > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 09:57

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I just want everyone to have healthcare and for the government to actually do something about climate change, apparently that makes me a communist

It might be too late now, but Warren needs to drop out and endorse Bernie Sanders  before our only choices are an omnicidal pedophile maniac and a senescent gaffe machine.

Spanfeller is a twat > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 10:17

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I wouldn’t know... but I’m scared about the Trump truck that might run over Biden... Hopefully Biden’s coalition is as good at voting for him in 2020 as Bernie’s was at voting for Trump in 2016.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 10:21

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-twitter-bloomberg-drop-out-super-tuesday-mini-mike-a9373786.html

ttyymmnn > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 03/04/2020 at 10:30

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duurtlang > CobraJoe 03/04/2020 at 10:33

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I’m not American and I haven’t looked into his suggestions that much, but wouldn’t Sanders be considered a moderate in the successful capitalist countries in western and northern Europe? Maybe a slightly left leaning moderate, but he’d still be a moderate. All this in countries that have been highly successful for decades and have a better standard of living than the US. I don’t understand how this can be so revolutionary in the US.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 10:44

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bloomberg just dropped out

Ash78, voting early and often > duurtlang 03/04/2020 at 10:56

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Well, the thing about those approaches is they would take decades to implement here unless you wanted riots in the streets. Rapid change never works well. So I believe a quasi-socialistic approach might work, here, it would be like trying to take the entire EU and put them under the system of one country. Everyone else would complain for a long time. Despite one language, we easily have 10+ nations worth of cultures, yet all pushed together under one Federal Government.

Imagine increasing Brussels’ power several times over, forcing everyone to use the Belgian healthcare system, then telling each member nation that they had to do everything one way. An extreme analogy, but that’s not too much unlike how we work.

In the meantime, we in the US all have to feel the pain of student loans and healthcare, which are the two biggest economic problems we have. Once that pain hits a tipping point, we’ll probably move.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > David E. Davis 03/04/2020 at 11:14

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I don’t know, but that bus didn’t make stops in California.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 03/04/2020 at 11:15

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I like Liz, too. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MonkeePuzzle 03/04/2020 at 11:16

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Doubt ful. Produce your birth certificate and maybe we can talk.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2020 at 11:17

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I don’t know where Down Here is, but I live in Over Here and I think Bernie comes across as a raving lunatic (with an obnoxious manner of speech and accent...).

CobraJoe > duurtlang 03/04/2020 at 11:18

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I think Ronald Wright sums it up perfectly:

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The average American doesn’t want to tax or restrict “rich people” too much because we all will be that rich person soon, ( we just need that one big break...) Add that to the largely individualistic society (especially in states with a large rural areas ), and it creates a culture of “I don’t want to give up my hard earned money to help someone who isn’t willing to work”.

Just yesterday I overheard a couple coworkers talking (Paraphrased): “If you become a millionaire because you invented something, you should be able to keep all of your money. You shouldn’t need to support all the workers helped to build your invention.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MrSnrub 03/04/2020 at 11:19

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They will address climate , and the Republicans among them will congratulate themselves for, while waiting far too long to be effective, making lots of Liberals mad along the way.

Ash78, voting early and often > CobraJoe 03/04/2020 at 11:21

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That is hilarious, but our class mobility is still among the best in the world...so I think it’s accurate. If the US really had more of an “us vs them” mentality, we would have had our own French Revolution a long time ago. We’re an aspirational people.

Ash78, voting early and often > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2020 at 11:22

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Southeast — the accent, the appearance, and the policies aren’t help him at all.

To be fair, we have Jeff Sessions, who himself is as much a caricature of Alabama as I’d imagine Bernie is for New England.

Where do we find these people?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2020 at 11:26

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I kind of figured the “where.” I’m out here in California and I think Bernie is a lunatic. A race that I am curious about is the Arizona US Senate race between Martha McSally and Mark Kelly.

MonkeePuzzle > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2020 at 12:03

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I have had SUCH a pain over the last year+ in trying to obtain a genuine copy of my birth cert. turns out its extremely hard out of country. I essentially have to give my parents power of attorney and have them ask for it locally. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MonkeePuzzle 03/04/2020 at 12:09

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To be clear: you realize that I was just teasing you, right?

CobraJoe > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2020 at 12:09

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The US does have class mobility, but there is still a huge gulf between the rich and the poor here. I didn’t realize how large that gap was when I was living on my parent’s farm.

Out in my home town, a rich person could afford a somewhat new diesel truck, while a poor person had to learn to wrench on an older vehicle to keep it going. I learned to wrench on my older vehicles.

Here in the “big city”, a poor person might not be able to afford a car at all, and a rich person owns several brand new supercars, and Omaha is far from the largest population center in the US.

Ash78, voting early and often > CobraJoe 03/04/2020 at 12:18

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I hear you, I live in a similarly mid-sized city and I’d say the gaps between rich and poor are even more clear here than even in a place like SF or NY. Housing is reasonably priced, so anyone covering their basic needs tends to have a ton of discretionary income to flaunt. Meanwhile, very large cities have usually priced “the poors” to the outer suburbs or contained ghettos. In small cities and suburbs, it’s much more intermingled.

Nonetheless, despite the growing gap between rich and poor (which is largely correlated to whether someone has been invested in the market over the past 15 years), most polls have people saying they’re better off than ever before. This seems to fly in the face of everything else I’ve read about wage stagnation. A lot of this depends on healthcare and education costs, which vary widely and can make or break a budget.

Either way, I believe the private sector has to do better (voluntarily!) unless they want “evil socialism” forced on us...flattening wages, CEOs accepting smaller pay packages, you name it. Maybe they can be an example to others.

Here’s a good one about Gravity.com and their $70k minimum wage in Seattle (fwiw, that’s not exactly big bucks in Seattle, but it doubled a lot of workers’ pay overnight):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomduening/2015/04/28/gravitys-70000-minimum-wage/

MrSnrub > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2020 at 12:22

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Without radical change we will not address climate change in any meaningful way other than trying to adapt to its effects, which will be increasingly difficult as our burning of fossil fuels and destruction of the planetary ecology only makes the problem worse. Leaving fossil fuels in the ground in favor of expensive renewable energy and other environment-preserving measures are not profitable for business, and because business interests have captured both parties, neither will support the unprecedented government intervention necessary to enforce those unprofitable policies. Nancy Pelosi herself described the Green New Deal as “the green dream, or whatever”.

So without any sort of large-scale, proactive program like a Green New Deal, I think the default outcome in the US with climate change - in other words, the purely reactive outcome -   is that as the effects get worse we will become a fortress country, keeping out the eventual flood of migrants from the uninhabitable tropics with increasingly genocidal force, while the military ruthlessly plunders the rest of the world for the resources needed to maintain some semblance of industrial society. In other words, it will be like now, only more so.

Of course, as climate change gets worse, the costs of running a continent-spanning fortress and the global military needed to maintain it will also increase. Eventually the government will be unable to meet those costs, and the result will be some type of collapse. That could be 20 years down the line or 50, but I fully expect it to happen within my lifetime.

duurtlang > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2020 at 12:27

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But it’s not though, is it? Social mobility in the US is pretty poor, for a developed country . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MrSnrub 03/04/2020 at 13:04

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I am going to pretend I didn’t read any of that because I want to live in a more perfect world.

slipperysallylikespenguins > MrSnrub 03/04/2020 at 13:14

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“The United States led the entire world in reducing CO 2 emissions last year while also experiencing solid economic growth, according to a newly released report. ‘The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO 2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt,’ The International Energy Agency (IEA) reported on Tuesday. ‘US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period.’”

Its happening slowly but it is happening.

CobraJoe > Ash78, voting early and often 03/04/2020 at 13:39

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That’s a good point about the midsized cities, we have very few areas here where “the rich” could completely avoid “the poors”.

I’d bet that wage stagnation has a bigger affect on the economy at large than on the average standard of living. After all, entertainment is extremely cheap these days (a basic Hulu account is significantly less than basic cable , and there are several free options online too), food quality and availability is going up, and many things that were previously considered luxuries are now very affordable .

But, even though a TV is very affordable, car sales are struggling (especially small cars) and the average new car price is going up.

I’m not sure I can believe that private businesses will all start paying more on their own. Our entire culture is pretty based on the “I’ll get mine, you have to get your own” mentality, which isn’t conducive for creating conscientious companies. Good for Gravity for trying their own solution, but even Forbes thinks it’ll end, either badly or  quietly.

MrSnrub > slipperysallylikespenguins 03/04/2020 at 14:13

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Mainly due to phasing out coal, which is good. But coal is mostly being replaced by fracked natural gas . Much depends on how financially sustainable fracking is, and I have my doubts about that