[POLITICS] Tom Steyer just dropped out

"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob) 02/29/2020 at 22:23 • Filed to: None

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he came in 3rd place in SC and probably won’t get any delegates anyway

So now he dropped out, but not before getting !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ’s endorsement

Nibby > dogisbadob 02/29/2020 at 22:28

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For Sweden > dogisbadob 02/29/2020 at 22:34

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We will always remember a true king

For Sweden > Nibby 02/29/2020 at 22:34

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I bet that Terminator has a great childhood literacy program

Nibby > For Sweden 02/29/2020 at 22:36

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Perhaps

interstate366, now In The Industry > dogisbadob 02/29/2020 at 22:37

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Dropped out like it’s hot

facw > dogisbadob 02/29/2020 at 22:56

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Ooh, he was my 3rd favorite candidate still running. Now I guess #3 is Buttigieg?

I’m quite disappointed that Warren appears to be going nowhere, she’s way ahead of everyone else in my mind.

I’m more worried that establishment Democrats have convinced themselves that Bernie can’t win against Trump (despite plenty of polling evidence that he can), and seems to be willing to do whatever it takes to get a highly compromised moderate the nomination (having a moderate lead the ticket was of course incredibly successful in 2016...)

camarov6rs > Nibby 02/29/2020 at 23:01

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Running on the T erminate 4 All platform might have been a miscalculation

dogisbadob > facw 02/29/2020 at 23:23

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I also like Warren. I wish she had been doing better. Another problem is that she splits the progressive base with Bernie. Also, the only reason Bernie ran in 2016 is because Warren didn’t, but she is running now, so he shouldn’ t have been running in 2020.

That said, I do understand people’s fears about Bernie Sanders, that he is too old and too polarizing. An almost 80-year-old that just had a heart attack, and socialism is scary to too many people. The older people remember the red scare and the cold war and are afraid of socialism. The online Bernie Bros are quite toxic as well. I think he has run his course and it’s time to pass the torch.

In fact, that’s actually a huge part of the problem the party has; an entire generation of democrats has been lost due to stupid seniority shit and old people refusing to leave and make r oom for the next generation. So many people between the boomer establishment and, say, AOC.

Hillary doesn’t really have any political views, just whatever is convenient at the time, and people just do NOT like her

My favorite was John Delaney. In his mid 5os, not old, and has experience in congress and the private sector. He had good plans for rural America as well, and he understands that the US is more than New York, Chicago, and California. The only democrat who supported the TPP. I really though he would’ve had the best chance against Trump.

All those quiz things were giving me Steyer as the one who agreed with me the most.

I also hope that Bill Weld can get some delegates on Super Tuesday. He is the only republican running against Trump

My bird IS the word > dogisbadob 02/29/2020 at 23:38

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Out of curiosity, sanders’ proposed 57% income tax doesn’t worry you? Sanders isn’t a european type socialist. He is a full blown marxist.

dogisbadob > My bird IS the word 02/29/2020 at 23:44

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It does worry me! That’s my point, that the vital swing voters are afraid of a socialist like Bernie . In fact, the biggest reason I was for Delaney was because he would’ve been the safe choice.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > dogisbadob 02/29/2020 at 23:45

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The TPP was an absolute shit show as it was proposed. That the US should force other nations to give up their sovereignty to our multinational media conglomerates is fucking outrageous.

Should we have had some sort of trade agreements in SE Asia? Absolutely. Does not making other arrangements after Teh Dumbass pulled us out of that treaty hurt our soft power in that region? Yes. And his decision to do back out of the TPP is the only thing that he’s done that support; but not for any of the reasons he likely did so.

The draconian copyright policy foisted upon the other members of that agreement is utterly bullshit and I am glad that it failed in that regard.

But in a general sense I absolutely support the US working to establish more egalitarian trade among nations in that region.

Not having such agreement has not helped us maintain our soft power in an area where it only benefits China for the US to be absent. Which was probably one of the likely motivating factors in undoing that agreement. The other being that The Black Man started it, and Hair Fuehrer must undo anything he accomplished at all costs.

Given that the idiot has ruined the US’s reputation the world over, having an alternative arrangement is rather a moot point now anyway. 

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > My bird IS the word 02/29/2020 at 23:52

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It’s 52%. And only on income above $10 million.

So no. And he’s not a Marxist. 

camarov6rs > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 00:06

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Out of curiosity how do you like Warren as much as you do when, to me, her tax policies are just as progressive as Bernies. I feel like Bernie’s top tax rate is more realistic than Warrens wealth tax due to the difficulties in assessing a correct figure to tax.

camarov6rs > facw 03/01/2020 at 00:12

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I feel Warren is a bit “Bernie Too” to some people. Bernie definitely has the name recognition considering how well he did against Hillary in 2016. You raise legitimate concerns over his age and health and I feel like Warren is in a good position to take up his progressive mantle come next cycle. I do have wonders if the relationship between them isn’t too sour for Warren to run as VP.

dogisbadob > camarov6rs 03/01/2020 at 00:16

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Warren has less baggage than Bernie and she is 10 years younger than him, too.

I like the progressive ideas, and politically I like both of them, but Warren has been more effective than Bernie and actually gets things done.

Bernie spent 30 years in congress and got basically nothing done. He didn’t even have a steady full-time job until he was 40.

While my own political views may be more progressive, I’m really blue no matter who for this election because Trump needs to go, hence the need for a safe choice like Delaney.

That being said, the TPP does have merit since China is a really big threat, and the only democrat who supported it was Delaney. (Weld supports it too, making him the only candidate standing in favor of TPP)

I also think Pete and Tulsi are too young, although at least Tulsi is in the House so she is more experienced than Pete, and she also has crossover appeal. A good amount of republicans like her despite being as progressive as Bernie and Warren. Tulsi added UBI to her platform when Yang dropped out, and she also got an endorsement from Ron Paul due to her anti-war spending stance. Remember that she left the DNC in 2016 to support Bernie after being told Hillary was going to be the nominee.

My bird IS the word > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 03/01/2020 at 00:38

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ahh I got baited.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-didnt-call-for-52-tax-on-29000-incomes/

There still may be something here but I can only find info on it on ‘publican sites.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/bernie-sanders-campaigned-for-marxist-party-in-reagan-era

camarov6rs > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 00:43

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All very good points! Agreed on Blue No Matter Who, but I do have my preferences.

I feel like Bernie needs to message better. The Democratic “Socialist” label did him no favors and his past could be better. His policy message resonates with me and he has the biggest progressive name recognition in his favor. There is a little piece of Bernie for most I feel, he wants to disengage from conflict/wars, his main line policies will help everyone , he wants to protect family farming from the large agricultural mega corps, etc.

I am really hoping Yang tries again. He and Warren were tied as my second “bests”. Agree that Pete just doesn’t have the experience.  I would vote for Weld if it would mean anything because hearing him speak he sounds like a decent human with some thoughtful insights.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 03/01/2020 at 01:10

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It all starts with Community Outreach...

Manny05x > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 01:34

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Bloomberg dropout please!

DipodomysDeserti > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 02:48

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I don’t know who Steyr or Juvenile are. Am I an old?

DipodomysDeserti > My bird IS the word 03/01/2020 at 02:51

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Might want to go back and read the Communist Manifesto. And by “go back” I mean read it for the first time ever. And please don’t take this as an endorsement of Bernie. It’s an endorsement of people people paying attention in history class.

Could you imagine in the Bolsheviks (I know they also weren’t strictly Marxists) were just like, “we just want you guys to pay higher taxes and give people health care.”

Dusty Ventures > camarov6rs 03/01/2020 at 04:41

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I saw an interview where Yang hinted his campaign was less a play to become president and more a way to get visibility to end up on the next president’s cabinet

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 08:52

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 I would add one thing to this. There was an account of a man approaching Warren at an event and asking, what about me? So there is this idea that she would forgive student debt to all the people who ran up debt in college, but leave ordinary savers and others who manage their money wisely with nothing. So it rewards financial irresponsibility. I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for Warren, though it seems like she would get her lunch eaten by President Trump, but there is a matter of personal responsibility and accountability that conservatives used to stand for and is lost but it's glaring in this case.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dusty Ventures 03/01/2020 at 08:53

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 Or as someone's vice president...?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dusty Ventures 03/01/2020 at 08:53

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 Have you looked at project binky on YouTube? The opening sequence in that has a short bit of a couple of guys driving a rally and towards the end of that title sequence, I am absolutely fascinated by the driver steering inputs.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > interstate366, now In The Industry 03/01/2020 at 08:55

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 What is that picture in your avatar?

camarov6rs > Dusty Ventures 03/01/2020 at 09:24

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You remember where you saw/read that? To me that says he wants to help or set himself up better for next time rather than some big ego play

Grindintosecond > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 10:13

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At this point I’m mostly shopping for the VP. I do not like having only old options and knowing this is our selection we are likely voting for a single term democratic president who will be constantly dogged by a certain media base especially when it’s circus leader will be screaming over fairness/coup/hacking, not knowing his own words, and starting up Brietbart television. Also, Trump is older and fatter and even more thoughtless than 4 years ago. If he explodes, his VP? At least he can converse with the staff regardless of how horrible he is but every political decision by channeling King james? No.

Unbalanced chaos is a boom for Russia and China and Iran and Iran’s big nuclear trade partner NK. The social balance under Bernie will fuel their increased attention to hype up our fears over his term. Safe bets are Biden, Warren, Pete B. Who knows how govt. Works? Whose been there? Theyre old. Joe or Elizabeth, whatever. I need to see a solid VP choice.

My bird IS the word > DipodomysDeserti 03/01/2020 at 10:38

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/bernie-sanders-campaigned-for-marxist-party-in-reagan-era

dogisbadob > Manny05x 03/01/2020 at 10:48

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+1

camarov6rs > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/01/2020 at 11:37

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I saw that! The student loan forgiveness is difficult I feel because while there are lots of people suffering because of the debt they had to know that you would have to pay back the “loan”.

To be the devils advocate what was that guys income? Was he upper middle class pulling in 150-200k? If so it’s harder to feel sorry for him. If he was pulling less than 100k and did all the saving and sacrificing then he might have a point. Either way I think the best argument is to explain the benefits of forgiveness. Namely if all this debt isn’t in the way imagine how much more the typical person will spend. They will likely buy houses and cars and go out to eat more. All that will drive the economy and if you have a retirement account the spending will fuel Wall Street and the return into your account. Plus it would be the generous thing to do.

I would love for my loans to be forgiven but I’m conflicted about it for this issue of personal responsibility. I think a good start would be to reduce all loans to 0-1% interest and forgive loans of people who have already paid their original balance but the interest means they have to continue to pay. Ie original balance was 30k and over the years you’ve paid 30k but still have 5k to go that should be straight forgiven to me.

Dusty Ventures > camarov6rs 03/01/2020 at 11:56

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Found it. Starts around 3:30

interstate366, now In The Industry > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/01/2020 at 12:00

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An expression of my opinion of a certain former F1 champion who shall remain nameless.

Dusty Ventures > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/01/2020 at 12:01

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Yeah, rally steering inputs can look exaggerated and weird, but that’s just what you have to do to be fast on gravel. For example, here’s Teemu Suninen doing shakedown for Wales Rally GB in the World Rally Championship a couple years back.

DipodomysDeserti > My bird IS the word 03/01/2020 at 12:15

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I wonder if the US  Marxist party knew that the Soviet Union wasn’t being run by Marxists in the 1980’s. They must have also received their history lessons from blogs.

Slant6 > My bird IS the word 03/01/2020 at 14:54

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Can you provide any source that says Sanders wants to charge a 57% income tax? Can’t find anything about it on his website, and a google search only brings up fact check sites that disprove it. 

MrSnrub > dogisbadob 03/01/2020 at 15:05

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At this point it’s Sanders or Biden. Warren is only splitting the progressive lane. If she actually cared about having a progressive president for the first time in like 50 years sh e would drop out and endorse Sanders, but she won’t because she’s apparently holding out for a contested convention...where Biden would get the nomination. I honestly don’t know what she’s thinking other than trying to be Biden’s VP, which would only validate the left’s distrust of her (as if that wasn’t already necessary).

My bird IS the word > Slant6 03/01/2020 at 16:48

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Turns out that was fake news. Sanders wants 52% on anyone that makes over 10 million, which is way less tame as the initial articles claimed it was over 30k