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"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 02/20/2020 at 13:48 • Filed to: None

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Shit, it’s been a while... Warren apparently had heads rolling on the debate stage. Which I found cool.

Also, Kloubachar is hilarious. “Andre” oof.

Who do we talk with to convince Mikey to buy Jalopnik Gold?

Why is Biden still a thing?

Democrats in general are lol.

Republicans in general don’t exist.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 14:00

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You think the dems are LOL?

I’m a Libertarian and these dumbfucks are letting a guy calling himself Vermin Supreme run because of their insanely low standards to get on their website.

https://www.lp.org/libertarian-party-candidates/2020/

You’ll see him at the bottom with a fucking muck boot on his head.

Jesus, no wonder we can’t get any legit traction as a party. People made fun of Gary Johnson, but god damn he was amazing in comparison. And yes Vermin Supreme got actual fucking votes in New Hampshire’s primary (which is unnecessary and not how the LP picks a candidate anyhow...).

And I’m not even commenting on the goon in the giant yellow Taxation is Theft hat.

Notchback88 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:03

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I’m all-in on the free pony, man. That’s a hell of platform.

Though I think for Supreme Lord of all the Realm, Lord Buckethead would win in votes. 

Just Jeepin' > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:06

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Poor Lincoln Chafee , buried in that morass.

Spanfeller is a twat > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:07

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It’s all fun and games until Trump gets re-elected...

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:15

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Apparently absurd hats are in, and essentially transforms the Libertarians into the “comic relief party.” How do those people get in? Can I run an adorable poodle in their primary instead?

UserNotFound > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:18

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Vermin Supreme has been running for decades.

Also, Libertarianism is astrology for men.

WilliamsSW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:19

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Tbh zombie preparedness is the biggest issue our nation faces today, yet the other candidates aren’t talking about it. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 14:31

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Sovande > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:32

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Wait.  The Libertarians are a real party?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 14:33

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It would take  a real human with an above average IQ showing up as the Libertarian candidate for me to consider voting 3rd party again this year.

BigBlock440 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:34

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Oh man, Steve Richey . I really don’t think it’s Vermin Supreme hurting the party’s credibility (you’ve seen the other parties’ candidates, right? ) , but the usual partisan politics that keep people in their camps. As they say, it’s easier to convince someone of a lie than it is to convince them they’ve been lied to.

marshknute > WilliamsSW 02/20/2020 at 14:34

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Good thing I took Zombie Survival 101 in college (yes, really, I got college credits!).

Sadly, it only covered Walking Dead style zombies (decomposing, slow-moving, brainless) as opposed to 28 Days Later zombies (infected and fast-moving).

smobgirl > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 14:36

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Not getting political...m y cousin crewed for that car though.

Spanfeller is a twat > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/20/2020 at 14:37

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I’m glad to see them running again this season!

WilliamsSW > marshknute 02/20/2020 at 14:37

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Sounds like you could be Vermin’s running mate!

Spanfeller is a twat > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 14:38

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I think that cycles where there’s the possibility of re-election aren’t as important for the smaller parties... for obvious reasons.

Spanfeller is a twat > smobgirl 02/20/2020 at 14:39

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Did the Panamerican race run last year?

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 14:45

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Rs don’t need to exist. The base has a slavish devotion to their swampy corrupt embodiment of the 7 deadly sins  messiah. They have unity, and don’t need to put out any effort. November is theirs to lose, Ds don’t seem to be capable of any unity or actual fight, and many no doubt still want to be “civil”.

gettingoldercarguy > smobgirl 02/20/2020 at 14:49

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+1 for not getting political.  Yay!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > UserNotFound 02/20/2020 at 14:52

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yeah but he got real votes this time. Which is beyond disturbing.

And change the damn requirements so it has the appearance of being a functional party.

Libertarianism gets a bad wrap due to the morons with boots on their head driving around without plates claiming to be a sovereign citizen.

It’s a pretty level-headed idea once you get past the morons. Socially I don’t give a shit what you do as long as you’re not hurting anyone. Fiscally I think we spend too much damn money. I don’t think the government should be shut down or all social programs instantly deleted.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BigBlock440 02/20/2020 at 14:58

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It’s pretty unbelievable where it’s gotten. Both parties treat the people like crap, the people keep voting for them and then going “but why doesn’t anything change?!”

The Libertarian Party can never climb up into real status with jackasses wearing a boot being on the website. No matter how awful the dems and reps are. No matter how reasonable the base platform of “fiscally conservative /socially liberal” is.

The LP needs to make fundraising and signature qualifiers and hold a real primary election instead of picking a candidate at the convention. So many steps they could take to be more legitimate.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 02/20/2020 at 14:58

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honestly all you need is a website and to say “libertarian” on camera.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Sovande 02/20/2020 at 15:00

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Real party and received over 4 million votes in the last presidential election (Including one from me).

They need to ACT like a real party tho if they want to gain any ground. Letting dudes with a boot on their head get on the website as a candidate and not containing some of the maniacs are why no one considers them a real party.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > smobgirl 02/20/2020 at 15:00

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Not getting political, but that picture makes me sad. At least it went out racing.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 15:02

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yeah, they have a lot less of a chance in these cycles.

If they had Bill Weld run as the president and gary johnson as the VP I think they would’ve done a ton better last time around. Gary is a goof ball (I personally don’t mind his goofy-ness, it’s nice to see a candidate can be a normal human) but it was too much for the public.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 15:02

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I initially liked the libertarian platform,  then realized it was run by a bunch of wack jobs. Oh well.

Future next gen S2000 owner > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 15:03

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I got this.

Future next-gen for President

MontegoMan as VP.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > fintail 02/20/2020 at 15:04

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Seven deadly sins you say?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/20/2020 at 15:04

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I’m not sure the party is run by whack-jobs, but I know it attracts a lot of them. And those whack-jobs give the party a bad name.

It’s such a great basic ideology “fiscally conservative/socially liberal” after that it gets turned into a mess of idiots with boots on their head.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2020 at 15:07

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I’m in, lets build a website, say the word “Libertarian” and we’re officially a candidate.

Spanfeller is a twat > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 15:09

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I mean, Gary is f ar from a normal human... but I understand the sentiment.

I don’t know how the US could loose the bipartisan system, but I’d imagine it’s easier to start from the bottom down... having a strong candidate -even if they’re bound to loose- on a national stage could help but... hell. not taking themselves seriously is a problem.

Future next gen S2000 owner > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 15:16

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Buzz words! Vague promises! A brighter future! Think of the children!

FNG MontegoMan 2020!

MrSnrub > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 15:21

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The most likely outcome of the race right now is that Sanders gets a plurality of delegates, but not a majority. In that situation I’m very worried about what will happen at the convention. If Sanders has a clear lead in delegates but the superdelegates in the second round of voting give the nom to Biden or (God forbid) Buttigieg or Bloomberg, Trump is all but guaranteed a second term. Even if the Democratic Party doesn’t collapse entirely, half of Sanders’ base will stay home at least, and that will be enough to throw the election.

The thing is every candidate except Sanders last night said the convention should “play out” and the leader in delegates should not necessarily get the nomination. That was chilling...they all seem to want a repeat of 1968.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 15:30

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Will the Libertarian candidate be on the ballot in all 50 states?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 15:31

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Almost feels like a foregone conclusion at this point.

Spanfeller is a twat > MrSnrub 02/20/2020 at 15:31

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I’m not sure Sander’s lead can be trusted that much... he’s not that far away from everyone else and the real process just began... I think we will see lead changes often... and I hope Warren keeps her attitude for the remainder of the campaign.

But I agree that the worst case would be a Super-Delegate overrule, it would definitively give trump a lot of comfort.

PartyPooper2012 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 15:41

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I would like for the Wig Party to return

haveacarortwoorthree2 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 15:42

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Gave up on libertarians when they barely broke 3% in an election involving 2 primary- party candidates that so many people hated.

MrSnrub > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 15:42

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There could be surprises in store, but the likeliest outcome is a Sanders plurality. He’s got a 10 point lead in the national polling average, and he’s very likely to win Nevada. It’ll be interesting to see how Buttigieg and Klobuchar do there, if they can still run Sanders close in a more diverse state things will be much more uncertain, but that’s not a very likely outcome going by the polls. Warren will probably get a bump from the debates but she’s alienated too much of the progressive wing to have a shot at this point.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 15:43

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Trump v. Sanders 2020

smobgirl > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 16:11

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I think so? I don’t believe he was involved though. 

smobgirl > gettingoldercarguy 02/20/2020 at 16:12

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Hah. I’m e xhausted by all of it already, I just can’t. 

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 16:21

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Yeah you get what I mean lol. You know they aren’t taking themselves serious when Vermin Supreme is still on the website, and that’s frustrating.

notsomethingstructural > fintail 02/20/2020 at 16:28

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Bernie has a very viable path to the oval office. He’s pulling away from the pack in the nomination, polls very well in the rust belt swing states, shares Trump’s populist appeal and foreign trade positions (which are still important for manufacturing areas) and it will be extremely difficult for Trump to try and position him as some sort of DC insider when, currently,  he’s openly saying the DNC is ratfucking Bernie at every turn.

Ash78, voting early and often > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 16:28

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I’ve never NOT voted LP for President and I’m 41. I’m also socially conservative, but that’s my business, not everyone else’s. Legislating morality pisses me off even when it aligns with my values because sometimes people need to learn a hard lesson about things, not just because they’re illegal. Like don’t eat too many pot brownies and wonder why you woke up naked in a hospital with an anxiety attack. That’s easy. The War on Drugs is hard.

Probably writing in Bill Weld or something...not sure yet.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/20/2020 at 16:29

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He was in the last presidential election. The amount of votes they received last time around will help towards that this time.

But they don’t appear to have a legit candidate emerging so far this cycle.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Ash78, voting early and often 02/20/2020 at 16:30

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would’ve been better last election if Weld was the guy and gary was the VP. Shame Libertarian party won’t allow you to have a say in the candidate unless you travel to the convention. I know I’m invited, I’m just not using my travel budget/time off for the LP Convention. Tough shit guys.

Ash78, voting early and often > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 16:30

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Well, to be fair to Vermin Supreme, the Green Party has done some really wacky stuff and they still somehow get taken more seriously than the LP. Probably because of Nader and his name recognition.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > haveacarortwoorthree2 02/20/2020 at 16:34

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Well, there’s a ton that goes into that. And the unfortunate thing is the majority of it involves money. If poll ing numbers aren’t met, they don’t make the presidential debate. But unless you have the funding, you’ll never meet the polling requirements.

Gary got blocked from the debates last election, which wasn’t right because they cherry-picked the polls they would use. The debate committee is an independent organization and doesn’t answer to any election laws or requirements and is mainly funded by the dems/reps - they have zero interest in a 3rd party being on stage.

In the end, yes those are excuses and if there was EVER an opportunity the 2016 election was it. All the more reason he should’ve been on the national debates. I’m not saying he was perfect but he sure as shit isn’t trump.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 16:35

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I almost voted for Gary, but “what is Aleppo” killed me...

I exercised my right to vote for no one in ‘16 , and am afraid I might have to again this year (I’m in one of the reddest of red states, so my vote, or no-vote, doesn’t matter anyway).

notsomethingstructural > MrSnrub 02/20/2020 at 16:37

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Sanders is starting to pull away. If Warren has any remaining integrity in her alleged progressive-ness, she’ll be out right after Super Tuesday and try to pledge her supporters and delegates to Sanders (barring a colossal shift in public sentiment where she emerges with a viable path) .

Let’s remember the debate last night was meaningless in the larger context - everyone is getting one more night on stage before Super Tuesday, if Warren can’t have a near-repeat of last night, the pendulum is bound to swing back toward Bloomberg’s unlimited spending and her and Biden are toast. She’s not going to win voters from either Biden or Bloomberg as it stands, she needs a coalition of former Pete supporters, progressive-aligned Amy supporters, the Steyer folks, and for Bernie to have a mis-step and lose a few people back her way. Barring that, she’s done. Biden is not capable of debating Bloomberg off the stage so he’s out too .

The question is whether Bloomberg goes scorched earth on the Democratic Party, which is a distinct possibility, and from where I sit right now, the only path where I think a contested convention would be more likely than not. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s any stopping the Bernie train. My $.02.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/20/2020 at 16:45

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well a vote could have helped the libertarians look a bit better, but oh well.

The Aleppo thing, they refused to send the candidate briefs to Gary like they did to Trump and Clinton despite him having decent polling numbers. He got screwed on that one. Sure he could have opened up cnn.com or bbcnews and read all about it but honestly with all the gaffs and screw ups clinton and trump had I have no idea how Aleppo was such a big deal. The number of people I stumped with - “ find me Aleppo on a map without googling it” that were bashing him was pretty fun though.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Ash78, voting early and often 02/20/2020 at 16:46

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yeah but could we be not fair to the moron with a boot on his head please?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 16:49

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Yeah, sorry about that. Was probably worth throwing them a protest vote.

This was the biggest story in the world that week:

It proved to me that he was either out of touch, or not paying attention.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/20/2020 at 16:52

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Hey now that’s not fair! It’s entirely possible he is out of touch AND ALSO not paying attention. haha

Yeah he screwed up, but Trump had recordings saying he was grabbing women’s genitals without their permission because he could so I feel like Aleppo shouldn’t have been such a sticking point.

Don’t feel too bad about the vote, you’re in a tough spot with the state you’re in.

MrSnrub > notsomethingstructural 02/20/2020 at 16:56

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The optimist in me says that if Bernie has a clear plurality, like 40%+, they’ll let him have the nomination. But I wouldn’t bet money on it. I wouldn’t bet money on Warren doing the right thing either, unfortunately. I think her play right now is to hope for a contested convention and pitch herself as the unity candidate on the second ballot, which has, at best, like a 2% chance of succeeding, and a much better chance of giving Trump the election and completely fracturing the Democratic Party.

Sovande > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 16:57

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4,000,000 votes is less than 3% of the 139 ,000,000 votes cast in the 2016 election.

But last election your guy had a cool slogan “ Feel the Johnson, ” so I get it.

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > MrSnrub 02/20/2020 at 16:58

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I just love the irony that the “Democratic” party hasn’t figured out that if you have to engineer a way for your preferred candidate to win, they probably have a much worse chance of winning the general than the person you’re cheating.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 16:59

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Ha! Sure, in relation to Trump’s vileness, it’s minor.

No write-in option here, either!

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 17:00

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Can someone please convince me that Buttigieg wasn’t grown in a lab to be the most stereotypical and bland politician ever?

notsomethingstructural > MrSnrub 02/20/2020 at 17:50

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Well I put $200 on Bernie a couple weeks ago at 2:1, so the “wouldn’t put money on” ship has already sailed for me (no this is not a gag ) . But as of this morning, he was paying 2:3 (probably slightly overvalued).

If you want to know what to expect, look to the bookmakers. Nate Silver is saying 40% chance of a brokered convention, but Vegas has it about 60% Bernie, 30% contested convention, 10% field. Vegas paid about 3:2 on Trump at the closing line in 2016 after his odds soared from initially about 13:4. So i f the lines at the books are consistently moving more and more toward Bernie, I’ll definitely will not feel bad about his chances given the track record.

fintail > notsomethingstructural 02/20/2020 at 18:01

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I’d happily vote for him if he gets the nod. He’s the most appealing and likely most viable candidate right now.

Dusty Ventures > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2020 at 19:19

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Unrelated, but my friend was the co-driver in that Porsche

DipodomysDeserti > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/20/2020 at 20:18

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I mean, were you expecting something different from the Libertarian party?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Sovande 02/21/2020 at 10:18

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Maybe he would have had more votes if that was his actual slogan lol.

But 4 million people is still a lot of votes, obviously it’s less than 3% and isn’t a major impact on the election. But the more people that open their mind to a 3rd party the better. The dems and reps both basically have “sub-parties” inside their own and the in fighting is insane. If we could just have 5,6, or even 7 parties everyone could be better represented. Other countries have no problem doing this.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2020 at 10:18

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Wait, you can’t write in or you don’t have a good option?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/21/2020 at 10:21

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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > DipodomysDeserti 02/21/2020 at 10:40

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One can hope. Their base platform matches my politics too well for me not hope. They just keep killing themselves allowing this idiocy to run rampant.

BigBlock440 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/21/2020 at 12:03

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Gary got blocked from the debates last election, which wasn’t right because they cherry-picked the polls they would use. The debate committee is an independent organization and doesn’t answer to any election laws or requirements and is mainly funded by the dems/reps - they have zero interest in a 3rd party being on stage. 

Right, which means they’ll never be taken seriously with or without Vermin. The 2 major parties are so entrenched, nobody knows who the libertarian candidate is, let alone half of the wackos that are vying for it. They really need more local level candidates to start getting name recognition , there were only 2 on the ballot last time I voted, out of 20 some positions.  Though 2 is a hell of a lot better than any other “3rd party” has, I think it’ll take a few more cycles yet before they start being recognized as a legitimate party as long as they keep getting local candidates on the ballots.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/21/2020 at 13:06

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That’s mental, how is mickey mouse ever going to win those states?!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BigBlock440 02/21/2020 at 13:36

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I agree, gunning for a presidency when they don’t even have a house of rep seat is a moonshot. In Michigan the ballot has a Libertarian option for pretty much every position. Even the college trustees have Libertarian options here in Michigan. It may be why I’m more open to voting Libertarian.