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"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus) 02/18/2020 at 11:36 • Filed to: None

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They were supposed to use a brick to gain access to the showroom.

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CalzoneGolem > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/18/2020 at 11:42

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Fuken Malde n! Amirite?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/18/2020 at 11:46

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I wonder how they were able to steal them. It’s not like you can just hotwire a car nowadays... Hotwire a Lambo? And what dealership would keep more than a few gallons of gasoline in new cars...

Just a goofy story.

And those particular Lambos look like Infinity or Lexus...

Sovande > CalzoneGolem 02/18/2020 at 11:48

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Like Revere’s uglier sister.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 11:49

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Spoof the proximity key

NinetyQ > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/18/2020 at 11:53

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It says they smashed through the front, ran in, grabbed keys, and drove off. I wonder if they were sad when they realized they grabbed the keys to two Uruse s rather than Aventadors.

CalzoneGolem > Sovande 02/18/2020 at 11:53

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Oh boy that really is saying something.

facw > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 11:54

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Key spoofing, or just getting the keys from the dealer (whether an inside job or just grabbing from wherever they’re stored) presumably.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 02/18/2020 at 11:55

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So are they picking up a signal from an actual key that’s inside the house?

I’m really liking my cars right now because they all use ordinary keys, albeit some have chips ...

facw > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/18/2020 at 11:55

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Distressing that these were identified as sports cars.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 11:56

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Yep

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > facw 02/18/2020 at 11:57

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Spoofing. It can be that easy? I remember back in the day when people spoofed (analog) garage door openers. All that techno crap. Why I don’t have an Alexa ...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 02/18/2020 at 12:00

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That’s too easy. Too damned easy.

So don’t keep your keys by the front door, I guess.

facw > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:03

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It can be that easy. Obviously there are defenses, but recall what happened COFL’s CX-3:

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Fairly common is using a sensitive antenna to boo st the signal from a nearby key, but there are other attacks.

However, the fact that they broke in suggests to me they were going in to the keys, since there were probably plenty of expensive cars outside to grab:

The Ghost of Oppo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:05

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Yep, just ask C arsofF ortL angley. That’s how their CX-3 got stolen a few months ago

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > facw 02/18/2020 at 12:17

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Yes, I remember this story. I am shaking my head because this all seems really stupid, that there are all of these expensive cars that can be so effortlessly stolen. How much up front money does a thief need to get the spoofer/reader tool?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > The Ghost of Oppo 02/18/2020 at 12:18

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I remember that, but I did not realize it was because proximity key spoofing.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 02/18/2020 at 12:19

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Could you make a little lead-lined box to keep by the door and store your keys in it and trap the signal? Or most of it?

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:21

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Yes

Mercedes Streeter > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:22

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I recall they cost something like a grand or so. And yes, you can put your keys in a Faraday box or bag.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 02/18/2020 at 12:25

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I wonder how much lead that would take. I used to work at a store where we sold lead sheeting 12 inches wide off a roll. It was probably about 0.10" thick.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:27

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XR6MZ7M/

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Mercedes Streeter 02/18/2020 at 12:27

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But that spoof thing. You could keep your keys in a lead-lined bowl by the door, but someone could see you drive up to a restaurant, spoof you while you’re eating, then follow you home.

I’ve never liked the proximity key thing because I’ve always thought it is a needless complexity that will fail and now?

Thomas Donohue > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:30

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Many keyless systems have a button-only setting. For example, the Mercedes ‘ Keyless-Go’ allows you to press the lock button on the remote twice, turning off the proximity feature. You would need to manually press the keyfob button again to unlock. It resets the feature each time , so you’d need to press the button twice e very time when locking.

I believe the new Porsche system is similar.

Not ideal, but better than hoping your signal doesn’t travel far, or having to remem ber to put the keys in a Farraday box or similar.

Gerry197 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:31

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They broke into the dealership and stole the actual keys for them. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 02/18/2020 at 12:31

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Well, I’ve learned a thing today. I think Faraday bags might be what they’re having school kids put their phones into. But that would be an FCC violation, so probably not.

Blissful ignorance has proven to be a benefit of  owning 20-plus-year-old cars.

facw > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:34

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Here’s an article from 2015 that says less than $100, with low end devices as cheap as $17: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/style/keeping-your-car-safe-from-electronic-thieves.html

I’m sure the tech has gotten cheaper over the intervening 5 years, though hopefully the systems have gotten more robust as well.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Thomas Donohue 02/18/2020 at 12:34

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Or somebody sitting next to you in a restaurant and spoofing your key and then following you home. I knew about proximity keys, but I was ignorant about all this spoofing stuff and I’m shaking my head in disbelief.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Gerry197 02/18/2020 at 12:35

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Seems like that was too easy. Seems like a dealer would keep all the keys in a safe at night.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > facw 02/18/2020 at 12:37

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Color me clueless, but I’m shaking my head about all of this. It just strikes me as mind-bogglingly stupid.

Thomas Donohue > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:46

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Why would they follow you home if they’ve already stolen your car at the restaurant?

( My understanding is that ‘keys’ use rolling codes, so a ‘live’  signal needs to amplified.  You can’t record the signal and use it later as far as I know, although that used to work with old push-button key fobs)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Thomas Donohue 02/18/2020 at 12:49

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I was thinking they’d steal it later from your home, but hey. There are limits to how devious I can be, apparently.

Gerry197 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:52

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I agree, but it’ was probably a key tree with a lock that they can close up at night.  Not too hard to break that lock if you are so inclined. 

Thomas Donohue > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 12:55

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Go old school, and steel it with a screwdriver and a Vise-Grip.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Gerry197 02/18/2020 at 12:56

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If I owned a dealership, I’d have a very strong box for key storage at night. Or night security. You sound like you know whereof you speak; do you work at a dealership?

fintail > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/18/2020 at 13:06

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Jeez, the international “students” or entitled “housewives” these were destined for will not be happy about having to wait .

Gerry197 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 13:21

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Me as well, a good lock system and overnight security, especially with these vehicles. They have insurance of course, but the depreciation of these vehicles is going to hurt after repair.

No, but I bought a few cars these last few years. The dealerships I’ve been to have similar key trees which closes up and locks.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Gerry197 02/18/2020 at 13:24

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If they repair them at all and don’t simply write them off as complete loss.

Any idea what the model / price of those two cars would be? (I have no idea, personally, and a quick trip to the Lambo website didn’t help. For me, it’s always been, simply, Lamgorghini and they’re maybe two-and-a-half feet tall and cost like half a million dollars.)

Gerry197 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 13:31

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I’m sure that’s what they are hoping.

They are Lambo Urus models, start at about $207k for the most basic model, but they are rarely outfitted that way.

The average is about $275K - $300K with the options most come built with.

Like the Huracan, it shares its underpinnings with other VW groups cars.  In this case the Audi Q7/Q8, Bentley Bentayga, Porche Cayenne and VW Touareg. 

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/18/2020 at 13:47

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What I immediately thought of when you said They were supposed to use a brick to gain access to the showroom.  

cream wobbly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 14:04

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Why would you broadcast your key randomly around?

“Here is a copy of my key. Have at!”

That said, the maxim in IT Security is, if you have physical access, you own it.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 02/18/2020 at 15:01

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GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!

GoodIdeaAtTheTime > facw 02/18/2020 at 17:16

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Go to any dealer, you will see keys laying around, doesn’t matter how expensive the car . If one turns up missing, they usually wait a few days to report it, usually another salesperson grabs the key to move the vehicle or show a customer. Happens all the time. I work at a dealer. We had a car missing for 6 months before anyone realized it was gone...

GoodIdeaAtTheTime > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 17:24

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Yup. Stuff is easy to get too.

GoodIdeaAtTheTime > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/18/2020 at 17:28

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Yes and no. Usually in a secure key logger that keeps track of who has what and you need a code/finger print to open, both of which are easily defeated. Dealerships have very little in the name of actual “ security. ”

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > facw 02/18/2020 at 21:59

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I recall somewhere that some have altered to have 2 signals, which is why on some cars you have to restart when getting in to put into drive

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > CalzoneGolem 02/18/2020 at 22:06

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With boston/cambridge prices going nuts a lot of building is going on.

hell I was reading how developers were buyin up places in lynn near the commuter lines .  

CalzoneGolem > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 02/19/2020 at 06:19

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Gentrifying Lynn? That's a bold move.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > CalzoneGolem 02/20/2020 at 00:01

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I know its crazy. I had to pick up family at logan. highway was a parking lot, so i had to divert off through Revere, I was amazed to be passing new condos

have you seen prices inside bston or along the commuter lines? my old boston apartment is double what it was @ 10 years ago

CalzoneGolem > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 02/20/2020 at 08:02

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The closest I got to living in Boston was Salem and even that’s going up they built a huge complex close to the commuter rail.