"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/17/2020 at 11:10 • Filed to: Planelopnik, Movielopnik
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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
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ASO is preforming the score for a screening of
Raiders of the Lost Ark
on Saturday night. What a fantastic soundtrack. I watched the movie so I could follow along with the score and, being the plane nerd that I am, I took interest in the flying boat Indy takes to get to Nepal.
It has Pan American markings as one would expect, and your first guess might be a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . The only problem with that is that the 314 didn’t take its maiden flight until 1938, and Raiders is set in 1936. Actually, it’s a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . But that doesn’t work either, because the Solent was a postwar flying boat that didn’t have its first flight until 1946. The filmmakers chose the Solent because there just happened to be one undergoing restoration in Oakland at the time. In order to be period-correct, Indy would most likely have flown on a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! or a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Fortunately for our intrepid hero, he didn’t fly on the Martin, because only three were built and they all crashed.
Double Bonus Planelopnik Content: In the opening scene, where Indy is being chased by the natives, he runs down to the river and escapes in Jock’s !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! float plane. Note the registration: OB-CPO. The OB is a reference to Obi-Wan Kenobi, while the CPO is a reference to C-3PO. Raiders was written by George Lucas.
TheRealBicycleBuck
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 11:27 |
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Dangit. Now I want to go get my float plane endorsement!
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ttyymmnn
> TheRealBicycleBuck
02/17/2020 at 11:30 |
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Remember, all float planes are sea planes, but not all sea planes are float planes.
I had to explain the difference between a float plane and a flying boat to one of my boys. He had never heard of a flying boat before. I can only imagine what he was picturing.
HoustonRunner
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 11:51 |
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Top five movies for me all time. Maybe top two.
This coming Saturday? I may actually talk to the wife about a quick trip to Austin.
MonkeePuzzle
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 11:53 |
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flying boats, new episode from Mustard
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ttyymmnn
> HoustonRunner
02/17/2020 at 11:56 |
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Saturday, February 22, Long Center for the Performing Arts
http://www.austinsymphony.org/events/indiana-jones-raiders-of-the-lost-ark/
Interestingly, the ASO website says the concert starts at 7:59 pm. I’ve never seen this before. I do know that a couple of years ago, when we did a Harry Potter movie, the producers dicked around and the show went long. They were on the hook for a boatload of overtime for the orchestra. These shows are done with an intermission (have to sell overpriced drinks in the lobby), and the orchestra is contracted for a 2.5 hour service. It can get pretty tight on time.
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ttyymmnn
> MonkeePuzzle
02/17/2020 at 11:59 |
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The flying boat that actually looked like a boat with wings.
The Dornier DO-X.
Thanks for the video. I’ll check it out!
facw
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 12:02 |
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Here’s you reminder not to let Harrison Ford fly any planes:
Though I suppose if you’re flying a seaplane, you are vastly less likely to accidentally land on a taxiway.
Also, apparently the OB-CPO thing was too subtle for Tokyo Disney:
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 12:03 |
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I watched a video with a bunch of Australians flying seaplanes together on a tour back when I was first looking at a Lake 4-200. There was one based at my home airport that I desperately wanted to fly. The owner sold it last year. Anyway, these guys put out some great videos: https://www.seaplanepilotsassociation.org/resources/the-largest-seaplane-resource-collection/seaplane-gallery/seaplane-videos/
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ttyymmnn
> facw
02/17/2020 at 12:13 |
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What’s good enough for Harrison Ford is good enough for Air Canada. And h e was lucky to walk away from that landing crash. Do you know if he’s still flying?
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facw
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 12:25 |
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I don’t know, though I see he retained his pilot’s license following the taxiway landing, and still had it as of last year.
Also he apparently had another accident I didn’t even know about:
His first major mishap was on October 23, 1999. Harrison Ford was piloting a routine training flight in his own Bell 206L4 LongRanger helicopter with his flight instructor onboard. According to the National Transportation Safety Board, they were over the Lake Piru riverbed near Santa Clarita, California, when Ford allowed the helicopter’s altitude to drop to 150–200 feet before attempting to power the aircraft back up.
Unfortunately, the helicopter failed to regain power, sending it plummeting to the ground. The aircraft skidded on loose gravel before hitting a log, partially embedded by the gravel, which flipped the helicopter onto its side.
Harrison Ford and his instructor sustained no injuries. As for the actor’s helicopter, as he told James Lipton during an interview on
Inside the Actor’s Studio
, “I broke it.”
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ttyymmnn
> facw
02/17/2020 at 12:29 |
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Dang. Some people shouldn’t fly. I wonder why his IP didn’t jump in.
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HoustonRunner
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 13:31 |
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Checks family google calendar for this weekend ...grumble....
The Houston Symphony seems to only ever do Harry Potter movies (which I also enjoy, but not as much).
Notchback88
> facw
02/17/2020 at 13:32 |
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This was not an unanticipated crash. They were doing practice autorotations and two things happened: 1 - Harrison pulled in power for a power recovery too late (which is typical for relatively inexperienced helicopter pilots,) and 2 - the Instructor Pilot failed to notice and correct it early enough. They both then yanked on the collective and “drooped” the rotor, reducing RPM-R and losing lift.
So they hit the ground in a “hard landing” and skidded until the left skid hit something. Honestly, I’d fault the IP more than I would Ford.
https://scvhistory.com/scvhistory/ntsb102399.htm
And regarding the crash in the golf course - that was a textbook emergency landing. Engine failure in flight in a single engine aircraft is very, very bad. The fact that he was able to find a large enough area to land with minimal risk to other people or himself is credit to him as a pilot.
Criteria for opinion: Army rotary wing pilot.
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ttyymmnn
> HoustonRunner
02/17/2020 at 13:43 |
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The HSO is a pretty good band, I’ve heard. (I went to Rice, so yeah, they are one of the top orchestras in the country, and rank in the world as well.) Sorry you can’t make it.
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Notchback88
02/17/2020 at 13:55 |
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This is a great post; thank you. I am not a pilot, but I know a good deal about aeroplanes and flying, as does Ttyymmnn. Still, my first question was, Isn’t the point of having an IP along to avoid something like this happening? IP too star-struck?
Also, FWIW, I took your commentary as 100% credible without any need to s tate your qualifications. It’s what I like about Oppo: people generally write what they know about. Or post absolute s**t, which they also know about.
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HoustonRunner
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 14:08 |
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I’ll definitely defend Houston arts against other major cities. I really need to get my kids out to stuff more often. We go to the theater about once a year, usually a B roadway musical. Haven’t taken them to the symphony yet.
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Notchback88
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/17/2020 at 14:08 |
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Ahh, I’m used to reddit where everybody questions everything.
So yes, that is the point of the IP lol. During an auto he should have been ghosting the controls with Ford, and should have pulled in the collective when necessary. After reading into the report more, Ford had 330 hours in rotary and 230 in the Bell 206, which is not an insignificant amount for a hobby pilot. Honestly, with practice autos, I’d rather pull a little early - but thats my personal opinion.
What the real fault was the pulling an armpit full of collective attempting to save the aircraft. They dropped the rotor below effective RPM-R and lost
all
lift. I’ve done many autos in 206s/OH-58A/Cs, and they fall relatively fast compared to what I drive now. It would only take a second or two of not watching altitude to an “oh shit” yank on the collective. Without the necessary lift/RPM-R, you can’t nose the aircraft back over and have some forward velocity for the skid when you touch down.
What sticks out to me is this:
landed hard and rolled over in the Lake Piru riverbed near Santa Clarita, California.
Why the fuck were they practicing autos over
a goddamned river bed!?
As discussed, it’s an easy process to screw up. And skids can catch on a ton of things. There’s a reason we
only
practice autos at established airfields. That was just really dumb and tempting fate in the first place.
They both probably share fault in that. One of them should have said “This is a bad idea.”
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HoustonRunner
> ttyymmnn
02/17/2020 at 14:08 |
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Also, John Williams is THE BEST EVER.
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Notchback88
> Notchback88
02/17/2020 at 14:14 |
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Adding the actual NTSB report.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Notchback88
02/17/2020 at 14:18 |
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But since you mention Army rotary pilot, are you currently on active duty?
I am reminded of John Denver’s unfortunate demise under different circumstances when you state that Ford had a not-insignificant number of hours accrued in his ship. I guess he can afford to... In Denver’s case, from what I remember reading, he was a serious pilot, but there was a modification that required an awkward reach and he likely bumped the stick and put himself into a spin.
As for why Ford was doing autorotations where he was, I’d assume star factor there, as well: a guy who can afford to try “exciting” things. Like John Travolta flying low passes in his 707.
Seriously though, when I shed this mortal coil, I’d like to be remembered as one of the better pilots who never flew.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Notchback88
02/17/2020 at 14:19 |
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And Reddit, happily, this ain’t.
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Notchback88
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/17/2020 at 14:26 |
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Nah, I’m a Nasty Girl (National Guard), have been my whole career.
Senioritis and complancy can kill too - thats why having two 4000+ hr CW5s flying together isn’t always the greatest idea. I don’t know all that much about Denver’s crash, but looking over the NTSB report makes it just sound...sad. Such a simple thing.
https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NTSB_Determines_John_Denvers_Crash_Caused_by_Poor_Placement_of_Fuel_Selector_Handle_Diverting_His_Attention_During_Flight.aspx
(also turning your head like that could induce spatial disorientation, which would
also suck.)
Yeah, I kinda figure that was part of it. A good IP should, in theory, put the kibosh on that kind of thing.
I like the old (and tired cliche)
“There are old pilots, and
there are bold pilots; but there are no old, bold pilots.”
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ttyymmnn
> HoustonRunner
02/17/2020 at 14:48 |
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They used to sell student rush tickets the night of the show for $5. Don’t know if they still do.
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HoustonRunner
> HoustonRunner
02/17/2020 at 15:02 |
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Ok need to clarify my comment above - I'll defend the Houston arts scene against anyone who says it is garbage. It is not New York, but we aren't Lubbock either (no offense Lubbock).
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Notchback88
02/17/2020 at 17:53 |
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So what’s your grade? CW5?
I enlisted in the Army in 1984 and spent six-and-a-half years and two hitches. I had to salute people and I’d be like, Sir, how do you manage to tie your boots in the morning? Or do you have someone dress you? Sure, there some officers that I really respected, and I’d salute them and not the insignia on their hat, but too many of the moronic ones. I concluded that the only thing they had besides no experience at anything useful was a college degree, so I got out and got one. In mathematics. Now I teach 8th graders math and I love it. But here’s the thing: I realize that what I am really cut out to be is the E-8 who is actually with the troops, actually developing people, and not some useless administrator somewhere who spends half of their resume talking about educational leadership . As if.
I only interacted with a couple of warrant officers, who were really in their own orbit. One of them, a Haitian, I’d have wanted to skin alive no matter what rank he wore. But the WOs that I interacted with were maintenance managers and specialist maintainers. There were a couple of WO pilots I knew at church, and they were way cool. So when I rant against officers, I’m only ranting against the moronic ones and some officers were NOT morons.
Have you been mostly weekends and annual tours for your career?