The new clustersection

"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus) 02/12/2020 at 10:07 • Filed to: None

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I take the path with the blue arrow on the map (where the mustang is in t he photo) While it may not look that tough, people usually stop at the yield sign. It also gets tough for people coming from the green arrow side taking a left. Some people at the opposing stop sign think that the green arrow people taking a left should give way to them. Its all together just a bad design

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:29

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*laughs at your puny 4 way*

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:29

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It seems like that should be a 4 way stop.

ttyymmnn > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:40

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Green arrow people don’t stop? That’s dumb. I’m surprised the wreckers don't sit at that intersection waiting for business. 

facw > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:40

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People who stop at yields are one of my pet peeves. You’re looking to the side to see if it’s clear, it is, and then you turn around in front and oh shit there’s a car stopped for no reason. It was at least a weekly event at this highway on ramp merge on my commute in Houston:

Traffic on the right branch had to yield to traffic on the left, but visibility was bad until the merge because the left branch was higher up. The whole thing is currently being replaced with a flyover so at least future Houstonians won’t have to suffer.

There’s a couple of those left turn doesn’t stop situations near me up here too, though I’ve only had two people who feel like as long as they stop briefly they regain right of way, instead of having to stop until there’s no one coming. They could probably use a sign like “oncoming traffic doesn’t stop”. Not sure I’ve seen that sign, but I’ve seen this related one in a situation where it feels like there should be an all-way stop but isn’t:

In this case traffic coming from the left is coming up a relatively steep hill, and if they stopped in winter, there’s a good chance of getting stuck (I’ve done it, led me to finally get snow tires) , so the stop sign is omitted from that direction.  

Ash78, voting early and often > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/12/2020 at 10:42

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Odds are E. Water street/Sunnybank would back up with traffic if you forced people to stop. Sort of looks like those shopping center entryways where everyone has to stop EXCEPT the people entering the lot from the roadway (so they don’t back up and block traffic).

People always screw it up. For example, I would assume the oncoming traffic here would have a stop sign. Any “3 out of 4" stops is a weird and confusing setup.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:46

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God do I hate continuous lefts. Even when they open into their own lane, as in a whole new lane that didn’t exist prior to the continuous left, people still  insist on stopping. You’re fine! You’re not gonna get hit! It says “continuous”! That means “don’t stop!” Come on!

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:46

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As an engineer, does it ever make you wonder what the Civil Engineers were thinking when they design some of these roads?  That just looks like a cluster.  Why would the green arrow not have a stop sign?  Is the traffic flow coming from that direction that much greater than the other three sides?   Just doesn’t make sense to me.  

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:48

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Should be a round about. Maybe ovalized a bit

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 02/12/2020 at 10:52

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I think s lot of these predate engineers and the cluster gets grandfathered in

Killing-Machine > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:52

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Tonia’s is a pretty good deli,  there is numerous bad intersections in that area of the South Shore

JustAnotherG6 > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/12/2020 at 10:57

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I’d lobby for a traffic circle.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > JustAnotherG6 02/12/2020 at 10:58

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Noooo......

The Ghost of Oppo > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 10:58

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laughs in yinzer

JustAnotherG6 > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/12/2020 at 11:02

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Stop signs suck, they are only slightly better than traffic lights. Roundabout all the things!

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/12/2020 at 11:06

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That looks like a reasonable traffic pattern to me.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 02/12/2020 at 11:27

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Get on my level :

Urambo Tauro > facw 02/12/2020 at 12:07

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Oh man I hate it when people stop unnecessarily at yield signs. But there’s one yield-sign-related issue that bothers me even more, which is when people plow right through without even looking to see if there’s anything there that they need t o yield to.

Case in point- My area has intersections where one street has stop signs in both directions , while the intersecting street has yield signs. But we also have some intersections where one street has yield signs, and the other has no signs at all.

As you might expect, p eople on the “yield” street tend to get so comfortable with intersections where cross traffic must st op at their respective stop signs that they won’t even slow down. T hat habit becomes a problem when you get to the intersections where the no-sign street (a valid public street BTW- not an alley or driveway ) where the greater burden ( to stop if needed) lies on whomever’s driving on the “yield” street.

Don’t get me wrong, I love rolling through an intersection without needing to come to a wasteful full-and-complete-stop when there’s no conflicting traffic around . It’s just that people in my area really don’t seem to grasp what yielding re ally means.

facw > Urambo Tauro 02/12/2020 at 12:16

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My area has intersections where one street has stop signs in both directions, while the intersecting street has yield signs 

That’s super weird? Like I can’t imagine why they’d do that? No stop signs on one road and yields on the other makes sense, and a four way stop makes sense. Having s top signs only from one road makes sense, though it would probably work better with yields, unless visibility is bad. But combining stops and yields like that is just odd.

facw > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/12/2020 at 12:30

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Yes! Much better, especially for small intersections! Stop signs are bad!

facw > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 02/12/2020 at 12:34

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Presumably traffic is heavy enough there that they don’t want it backing up, which is entirely reasonable.

It might be better change the road configuration so that going “straight” would connect the south part of Liberty to the east part of E. Water (and vice versa), and the other directions would be turns. Seems like that’s how they have the traffic flowing already.  

facw > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 02/12/2020 at 12:36

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I used to live near this and found it totally weird when a friend from out of town found it excessively chaotic:

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > facw 02/12/2020 at 12:37

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We have to take a leap of faith that people know how to use round-a-bouts effectively . I have yet to see this in real life.

facw > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 02/12/2020 at 12:39

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Some time I need to visit Swindon:

facw > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/12/2020 at 12:40

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If the people of Carmel, Indiana can do it, I think there’s hope for the rest of us!

Cash Rewards > facw 02/12/2020 at 12:53

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For fucks sake, our country's refusal to use a traffic circle is baffling

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > facw 02/12/2020 at 17:49

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That doesn't look too bad at all if the sightlines are ok

Urambo Tauro > facw 02/12/2020 at 18:36

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Yeah it’s been on my mind a lo t lately because I usu ally avoid those combo intersection s, and I don’t like how it’s resulted in my having a lack of experience with how to deal w ith them. Having a yield street cross an “uncontrolled” ( no sign) s treet is much more intuitive.

facw > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 02/12/2020 at 20:18

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I don’t think it was bad. But as I say I had some out of town friends who thought it was crazy for some reason.

brianbrannon > Cash Rewards 02/16/2020 at 12:58

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I go through three traffic circles every day that are two lanes and both lanes can either exit or continue around the circle.