Spent some money today.

"VincentMalamute-Kim" (VincentMalamute-Kim) 02/11/2020 at 17:27 • Filed to: None

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This morning I went and shot a few subcompacts for concealed carry. Sig P365, P938, Glock 43. My shots were all grouped 5" below the center of the bullseyes. I’m not a gun expert so I don’t know what that’s about. I liked

the looks and feel of this one allowing for it’s small size and it came home with me. Two and a half fingers fit on the grip - not ideal.

atfsgeoff > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:38

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yeah, the subcompact pistols are a big compromise for ergonomics, especially for folks with bigger hands. But, if the small size and light weight encourage you to carry it more often, then it’s doing its job.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:40

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Nice!  Sig always makes a nice firearm.  The good Germans, ja.

MonkeePuzzle > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:42

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can always get an extended mag for your pinky so you dont look like you’re delicately drinking a cup of tea

VincentMalamute-Kim > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/11/2020 at 17:43

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I don’t even know - they’re not Swiss?  Or maybe it was a merger of a German and a Swiss company?

slipperysallylikespenguins > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:43

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SHOTS directly below the point of aim:

The shot string in the 5 o’clock to 6:30 area is caused when the shooter “breaks” the wrist – another form of anticipation. The shooter expects the handgun to recoil at a known instant and tries to fight or control this anticipated recoil by cocking the wrist downward. The shooter may subconsciously believe that the recoil can be lessened by holding the wrist down. This shot group can also be caused by a shooter who relaxes too soon.

No idea if this helps but is a common diagnoses

Chariotoflove > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:45

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It means if you aim for the gut, you’ll castrate him.

That’s a cool, sinister looking choice. I don’t know if not fitting all fingers would drive me nuts or not. But if it feels good and you can hold it steady, that’s what matters.

Holster or belt clip?

VincentMalamute-Kim > atfsgeoff 02/11/2020 at 17:45

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I could squeeze all three fingers onto the grip when shooting but it was tight. And they have the extended 15 round magazine but I’m not thinking I’ll get one at this point.

I’m not even planning to carry often, if at all. I just would like to have the option. I’m signed up for the CCW class next month.

TheRealBicycleBuck > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:47

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My M&P is a bit small for my hand, but an extended magazine provides the extra length for my pinky to rest on.

As for the 5" below the bullseye, it means you are precise, but not accurate. It could be the difference in how the sights are set from the factory and what you were expecting. From https://www.realgunreviews.com/sig-sauer-sight-heights-sight-numbers/

MonkeePuzzle > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:48

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just be careful when putting it back in your vagina

VincentMalamute-Kim > slipperysallylikespenguins 02/11/2020 at 17:49

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That makes complete sense. I probably just have to shoot a lot more. I was definitely afraid of the noise and was assuming a gun this small was going to jump out of my grip.

I’m surprised it was so consistently below the point of aim over 50 rounds.

TheDutchTexan > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:49

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What that is about is anticipating the shot rather than let it “surprise” you. You “pre” compensate for the recoil, so your shots end up low. A shot to the left or the right (depending on shooting hand) means jerking of the trigger. You said 5" below, how far away was the target?

Note: My shots are all over the place so not a marksman here , but as long as I am hitting center mass at 15 yards I am good.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Chariotoflove 02/11/2020 at 17:50

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They didn’t have a holster for it in stock. I’m assuming I’ll get an inside the waistband holster . A belt clip isn’t a holster ?

slipperysallylikespenguins > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:52

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TheRealBicycleBuck makes a very good point as well and that may be what is happening.

Any consistency at all is really good for a new shooter.

VincentMalamute-Kim > MonkeePuzzle 02/11/2020 at 17:53

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Is that yours? The extended really ruins the look - and appearance is everything ;)

Actually, I assume the extended defeats the purpose of concealed carry.  I’m a small guy and I lost 30 lbs over the last couple of years - I figure it’s not going to be easy to conceal anything on me.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:53

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They’re a German company these days. Some time b ack  think there was a merger forming the current company as a German concern.

Chariotoflove > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:55

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Well yeah, you can get a belt holster with a clip. That’s kinda what I meant. The other choice I was thinking was a shoulder holster like my brother uses for his 9 mm.  When my uncle was a diamond and securities courier in Manhattan back in the day, his revolver just had a belt clip built into the hand grip. He just tucked it that way inside his belt. 38 snub nose if I remember correctly from when I was 8.

VincentMalamute-Kim > slipperysallylikespenguins 02/11/2020 at 17:55

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Any consistency at all is really good for a new shooter.

Well... it was 15 and 10 feet. I think it was feet, not yards (? ).

wafflesnfalafel > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:56

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Very cool. I shot a few of a buddy’s pistols last year, including one of those small CC types, (I don’t remember which...) I’ve got kind of “Trumpian” hands - large pudgy palms but smaller fingers - and I was worried I’d drop the damn thing. I ended up liking his Beretta the best out all of his stuff, (maybe the most forgiving for a goof like me...)

For Sweden > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 17:57

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You need a matching pinky ring

VincentMalamute-Kim > wafflesnfalafel 02/11/2020 at 18:00

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They all kinda felt the same to me when shooting - I’m not good enough at this to discern much in the way of differences. I went by appearance which ruled out the Beretta.  And the 10 round standard magazine of the 365.

VincentMalamute-Kim > MonkeePuzzle 02/11/2020 at 18:01

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That’s a good argument for keeping it out of the front my pants. But thanks for the warning to keep my vagina safe .

VincentMalamute-Kim > TheDutchTexan 02/11/2020 at 18:03

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Yeah, that seems to be the concensus. I’ll just have to shoot more I guess. I think the target was only 15 and 10 feet away. I don’t think it was 15 and 10 yards.

VincentMalamute-Kim > TheRealBicycleBuck 02/11/2020 at 18:05

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Thanks.  That’s helpful.  I bet it’s a combination of of using Image 1 and 2 and mostly of anticipation of the noise and recoil.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Chariotoflove 02/11/2020 at 18:07

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That’s a cool, sinister looking choice.

That was the main factor. And that I already have a Sig P229.

The other choice I was thinking was a shoulder holster

With my slight build, I’d think an IWB would conceal better than a shoulder holster.

VincentMalamute-Kim > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/11/2020 at 18:08

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The good Germans, ja.

I finally got your reference. The “ good” Germans as opposed to Mercedes or Audi or BMW over engineering in a handgun!

Spanfeller is a twat > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/11/2020 at 18:11

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I’m not a big fan of guns, but if I had one, it’d be a P226.

NKato > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 18:18

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 This shit is why I prefer a mechanical safety instead of a grip based safety. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 02/11/2020 at 18:27

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Ruger Super Alaskan in .454 Casull. Now, there’s a handgun. The maximum rowdiness load is, I believe, a 235 -grain bullet. Is a handful.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 18:27

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Where are you located?

Maxima Speed > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 18:31

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Sweet dude! Thats about like my XD-S on hand size, mines a little bigger i think its a nice balance but i carry an extended mag so its not a real issue. Also you would be surprised about carrying extended mag. Im a skinny guy but i can still effectively carry a plus one mag and it doesnt profile.

atfsgeoff > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/11/2020 at 18:32

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Even the 2" barrel version of the Super Redhawk Alaskan is decidedly not a subcompact or even a compact pistol lol

Chariotoflove > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 18:39

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I think so too for a pistol that size. 

AestheticsInMotion > NKato 02/11/2020 at 18:44

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“Alexa, unlock gun”

VincentMalamute-Kim > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/11/2020 at 18:48

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I shot a friend’s .357 Magnum. That was not fun. I’ll pass on that Ruger!

I’m in Colorado - why?  The most I’ll encounter is moose and I’d think I’d need at least that Ruger unless the noise of a 9mm scares it off.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Spanfeller is a twat 02/11/2020 at 18:49

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I have a P229. Googling images seems to show the P226 is a 1/2" longer or so barrel compared with the 229?  Both look like “gun” to me.

VincentMalamute-Kim > NKato 02/11/2020 at 18:51

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The P 365 I got has no external or grip or trigger safety. It doesn’t even have a long first shot double action pull.  I assume it has something internal somehow?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 02/11/2020 at 18:52

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More like a handheld howitzer. I have strong hands and I love shooting that thing. Belongs to my cousin in Virginia, where the Democrats have taken over the entire state government — by slim margins — and are going berserk rewriting and rescinding gun laws. I’m not making a position statement here, just an observation. Virginia is where I go to fire an M-60 machine gun:

atfsgeoff > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/11/2020 at 18:55

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I will make a statement/prediction: It’s gonna get real ugly in Virginia if the legislature and governor railroad a bunch of gun bans into law, against the express wishes of the majority of the state’s population.

VincentMalamute-Kim > AestheticsInMotion 02/11/2020 at 18:55

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 18:57

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I asked because you said something about a CCW class, which made me think that maybe  you could actually obtain a permit. I’m in the San Francisco Bay Area and a CCW permit would be nigh unto impossible to obtain. I’d get one if I could, so I could carry if I wanted to. I own a S&W .38 spl snubby that would make a nice carry weapon.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Maxima Speed 02/11/2020 at 18:57

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The XD-S is also a good looking gun. Grip looks smaller than the P365?

I wasn’t going to but maybe I’ll give the ext mag a try. We may have similar skinny builds.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 02/11/2020 at 18:59

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You might also get some turncoat Democrats who like their guns and wanna get reelected who vote against the railroad. Idle speculation on my part, but let’s see what happens there. Where are you located? I’m in the San Francisco Bay Area.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/11/2020 at 19:00

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ah. I’m sure in Colorado, the main goal of the CCW class is to pass you so you can carry.

I actually would not mind if we had strict national gun laws like Japan/England/New Zealand and I could be reasonably sure no one else was armed. But one strict gun law state surrounded by lax states isn’t ideal.

So in CA, you can own a handgun, just can’t carry it?

Maxima Speed > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 19:08

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I think xd-s grip is a little longer actually but not sure. The major thing about the profiling is the holster you carry it in. You will prob find that holsters are a highly personal thing. Different strokes for different folks. I personally use a Galco “ King Tuck” IWB holster which allows for tucked or untucked carry, super low profile and very comfortable  for long term carry as the gun doesn’t move around on my body.

RutRut > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 19:11

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Yes, all striker fired pistols have internal safety mechanisms. BUT. If you go to put it in a cheap holster and snag the trigger, it’s going boom. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 19:19

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I think broadly, in the US, regarding guns, the genie’s out of the bottle and there’s no putting him back in.

Yes, you can own handguns in Ca . There’s some debate about open carry...

gin-san - shitpost specialist > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/11/2020 at 19:27

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That kind of round looks like it explodes humans rather than just stopping them.

I guess you could argue it’s good for self defense... against bears?

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 19:30

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But instead of a gun, wouldn’t you rather have a bromeliaceae?

It looks much prettier than the gun and it improves indoor air quality!

NKato > RutRut 02/11/2020 at 19:34

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Yep, it will. Hence why I prefer side switch safeties like on the USP.

RutRut > NKato 02/11/2020 at 19:37

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...and 1911s. I love a good 1911. 

VincentMalamute-Kim > Maxima Speed 02/11/2020 at 19:37

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That does look similar in size. The stock 365 grip looks a bit longer (allowing for your extended) since it looks like two and 1/4 fingers fit on yours

https://www.galcogunleather.com/inside-the-waistband-tuckable-holsters_8_7.html

I assume you have the Kingtuk Deluxe since it says Classic is “New”. They both look indentical. Thanks for the holster tip - I ‘ll look into Galco.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 02/11/2020 at 19:41

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That is pretty! Not sure which is prettier though. How about I get both?

Gun fits in with my general appreciation of hardware; cars, tools, planes, tanks, railguns.

Spanfeller is a twat > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 19:42

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The reason I like the P226 is because when I was a kid I had a replica of one, it was a BB gun made out of clear plastic... and it was so good. always accurate, never seized, my friends envied it (we were... eleven?) because their 1911s and PPKs sucked.

We were savages, we had these huge free for all matches, and unlike paintball, plastic pellets don’t really let you know if you hit an adversary. S o were just in it for the sheer joy of making someone else feel pain. I was a shitty “player” but the straight aim of that P226 made up for it.

It looks like an off brand gun, and that’s kind of why I like it so much... plus, I’m a pretty big guy, so even at that young age the grip of the full size frame was just right for me.

TylerJ > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 21:16

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It’s too late now, but there’s a Sig P365 XL that is slightly larger than this one.

DipodomysDeserti > NKato 02/11/2020 at 21:26

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If you need a safety to protect you from shooting yourself, you probably shouldn’t be carrying a gun.

Tripper > Spanfeller is a twat 02/11/2020 at 21:28

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I’ve got a P226 from the early 90's (I bought it used) it’s a “West German” sig which is apparently something. I only shoot targets, but it’s a great gun.

atfsgeoff > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/11/2020 at 21:55

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Allentown Pennsylvania, about an hour north of Philadelphia. I drive through Virginia at least twice a year to visit my folks in North Carolina, and my sister lives in Norfolk VA.

NKato > DipodomysDeserti 02/11/2020 at 22:01

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It has more to do with preference. Besides, booger hook off the bang switch isn’t always foolproof.

AestheticsInMotion > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/11/2020 at 22:26

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Oh lord. 100 internet points for the perfect reference 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gin-san - shitpost specialist 02/11/2020 at 22:41

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Bear repellant.

VincentMalamute-Kim > TylerJ 02/11/2020 at 23:07

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I didn’t shoot the XL but I did consider it.  For concealment on my skinny body, I figured the XL was getting too big.  Thought about the SAS but apparently it’s selling so well they can’t keep it in stock.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Spanfeller is a twat 02/11/2020 at 23:09

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ah, finally figured out 226 is full size and 229 is compact. I feel like I’m eventually going to have to get a full size something or other.

VincentMalamute-Kim > wafflesnfalafel 02/12/2020 at 00:45

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I was worried I’d drop the damn thing.

I worried that recoil would fling these small guns out of my hands. That probably accounts for all my shots grouping well below the point of aim. Recoil wasn’t as bad as I feared.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 02/12/2020 at 07:21

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My dad's people are in Somerset County, PA., And my parents live in Norfolk.

VincentMalamute-Kim > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 02/12/2020 at 11:17

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I think i t’s unfortunate our society has so many guns floating around. I’d rather live in one with too many bromeliaceae.

(yes, I’m aware I’m not helping)

oldmxer > VincentMalamute-Kim 02/12/2020 at 15:40

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think of the accuracy of these small pistols as a shot gun but with only one pellet , my son received one as a gift and it was so inaccurate we had trouble hitting the target unless we were closer to the “bad guy” than we wanted to get, he ended up trading it

VincentMalamute-Kim > oldmxer 02/12/2020 at 15:54

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I t’s hard enough to conceal this on my small, skinny body. Anything larger is more than I want to deal with in concealing.  Tradeoffs.

DavidHH > VincentMalamute-Kim 04/05/2020 at 01:52

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I ha ve the opposite problem as my hands fit a 1911 or desert 500.