A neat thing my PD is doing

"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee) 02/06/2020 at 19:30 • Filed to: None

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Not the title I would have chosen tho

ranwhenparked > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 19:37

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AKA, we just hired one 20something rookie who knows how to use all this information superhighway  cybernet stuff, so this can be his extra assignment for awhile. 

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 19:43

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Yes, by all means, how about we literally put our unlocked smartphones into the hands of police 

Chariotoflove > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 19:44

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Yeah, but it’s something.  This is a little bit of the “serve” part of “protect and serve”.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 19:44

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Hasn’t this been the law in MA for about 10 years? For as long as I have been driving MA has been a hands free state.

ranwhenparked > Chariotoflove 02/06/2020 at 19:46

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Well, they also install car seats and teach bike safety.

And show up when a poor white heroin addict breaks into your house and steals your shit.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 02/06/2020 at 19:47

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Oh, you’re one of those

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 02/06/2020 at 19:47

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It’s been no texting for a while but there’s never been a full hands free law

Chariotoflove > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 19:49

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As long as they install it correctly (I’m sure they do). When we took our daughter home, the hospital guys insisted on helping install our car seat in view of their cameras. We patiently waited , then pulled 20 feet away into a parking space and installed it properly so that our baby wouldn’t become a missile in a fender bender.

CB > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 19:49

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That's pretty smart and helpful. Good stuff.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 19:50

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I thought there was no hand held calling either.

ranwhenparked > Chariotoflove 02/06/2020 at 19:51

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Yeah, that would be my concern entrusting something like that to someone else

CB > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 02/06/2020 at 19:51

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Ah yes, the old adage of if you give the police your phone, they get custody of everything on it. Finder's keepers. Charter of Rights and Freedoms (or the Constitution or whatever you Americans do) be damned.

ranwhenparked > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 02/06/2020 at 19:52

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I used to work in Berkshire County, but its been awhile. I think you used to be allowed to have it out if you were using it for directions. 

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 19:54

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When I lived in the Worcester  area I could have sworn you were allowed to have it in a mount for maps but touching it was a no-no. Either way it’s not like they enforced it other than slapping it on in addition to whatever else got you pulled over/caused the accident.

ranwhenparked > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 02/06/2020 at 19:55

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With the new rule - is it OK to have it powered off and loose in the trunk, or does it also have to be locked in a TSA-approved cell phone case?

Maxima Speed > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 19:57

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Hold on..... illegal to possess ? That sounds like even on your person or in the vehicle.

Dusty Ventures > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 02/06/2020 at 20:00

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Mr Tee is right, the law was texting only, handheld calling was (and for another two weeks still is) legal.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 20:01

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You have to unload it and store the ammunition in a separate  bag

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 20:03

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That's what the new law stipulates- only for navigation and it must be mounted in an appropriate location.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > CB 02/06/2020 at 20:07

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Man, I  don’t let *anybody* put hands on my phone.

For Sweden > CB 02/06/2020 at 20:09

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Her Majesty owns all your data, everyone knows this.

CB > For Sweden 02/06/2020 at 20:14

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She owns mine for sure.

SiennaMan > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 02/06/2020 at 20:18

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For what it’s worth, I don’t give anyone else my phone either. That said, I’ve met dozens of people for whom this would be a critical service if they’re going to abide by a hands free law. There are plenty of Americans for whom the instructions might as well be in Mandarin for as much hope as they have of getting it paired..

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 20:22

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That’s practically new york. Get outta here with that Berkshire  bs

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 02/06/2020 at 20:23

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There are metaphorical hands everywhere inside your phone right now.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 20:43

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I'd like to put my sim card in a flip phone and show up in something too old to have a radio and see what they say 

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 02/06/2020 at 20:45

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Anything is possible if you believe in it

Chariotoflove > CB 02/06/2020 at 20:48

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Then she should be paying for the data plan, right?

ranwhenparked > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 20:49

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You mean take the battery out?

ranwhenparked > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 20:50

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Well, I lived in New York at the time. 

CB > Chariotoflove 02/06/2020 at 20:53

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Technically for me she does, only because I’m a federal employee.

Chariotoflove > CB 02/06/2020 at 20:54

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Woohoo!  Gaming the system!  

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 20:55

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Um, correct. Yes. That was a typo on my part. I am not in possession of an illegal cell phone gun. If any authorities contact you that is what you should tell them.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ranwhenparked 02/06/2020 at 20:55

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Ewwwwww

DipodomysDeserti > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 20:57

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A lawyer?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 20:57

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I wonder why they decided to have it at the local Senior Center. Hmmm.

DipodomysDeserti > CB 02/06/2020 at 21:02

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That’s actually exactly how that works. The Constitution protects you from unreasonable search and seizure. Willingly handing over property makes it fair game. Not that cops  pairing blue tooth phones on an east coast island populated by old people are going to be searching for crimes.

DipodomysDeserti > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 02/06/2020 at 21:04

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CB > DipodomysDeserti 02/06/2020 at 21:05

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Nope. If I were a cop and someone handed me a phone to look at, let’s say, a screenshot, and I immediately went and looked through their emails, that would immediately get thrown out in court as an improper search if I were to find anything . Same deal with your house. Cop comes in and you say, okay, you’re allowed in the front room, but then he goes digging through your basement. Both are violations of your rights, 100%. If a cop wants to dig any deeper, they need a warrant.

Even phones seized off of accused persons require a warrant for their data to be searched. People got rights.

fintail > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 21:10

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There should be one of these specifically for drivers of higher end cars in suburban Seattle.

It’d also be fun to show up with a Nokia 5100 series in the fintail.

DipodomysDeserti > CB 02/06/2020 at 21:48

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T here’s nothing immediate about anything in a US court, and anything a cop sees is permissi ble in court if you grant them access (assuming you have authority to grant them access) . As far as electronics at points of entry, the US govern ment has long claimed that the 4th Amendment doesn’t apply at ports of entry. “P orts of entry” extend to about a hundred miles from the actual border. I’ve had my car searched by Border Patrol agents. They don’t ask. If you refuse you’re probably going to end up sitting in a tent in t he middle of the desert. If you refuse to hand over a phone, they’re going to get it from you, and you’ll probably be detained . The law in this regard is far from settled. While LE does need a warrant to access electronics if you’re convicted of a crime, it’s a grey area at points of entry. While this may not seem evident at our northern border, it’s pretty obvi ous that the feds don’t give a shit ab out the 4th Amendment on our southern border. Here’s a nice article from the ACLU on the matter:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/privacy-borders-and-checkpoints/can-border-agents-search-your-electronic

Thomas Donohue > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/06/2020 at 22:49

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Sync with The Police...... I dig it.

“Another working day has ended.

Only the rush hour hell to face.

Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes.
Contestants in a suicidal race.
Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance,
He knows that something somewhere has to break.”

If only Daddy had a cell phone back then!

facw > Maxima Speed 02/06/2020 at 22:54

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The bill actually says this:

Section 13B. (a) No operator of a motor vehicle shall hold a mobile electronic device. No operator of a motor vehicle shall use a mobile electronic device unless the device is being used in hands-free mode. No operator of a motor vehicle shall read or view text, images or video displayed on a mobile electronic device; provided, however, that an operator may view a map generated by a navigation system or application on a mobile electronic device that is mounted on or affixed to a vehicle’s windshield, dashboard or center console in a manner that does not impede the operation of the motor vehicle

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/191/H4203

So, it’s not a problem if it’s in your pocket, or in your car. But the driver can’t hold it, and it can’t show anything other than GPS (seems like even notifications could technically get you in trouble. Android Auto on my phone doesn’t show texts, but does notify you and pops up music information both of which would be illegal to read, though I don’t know how the state of Massachusetts could prove I read them, even if an officer somehow clearly saw them pop up).

facw > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 02/07/2020 at 00:20

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I don’t think so. There was at least one previous attempt to pass such a law that failed. Massachusetts is the last state in New England to pass a hands free driving law.

M.T. Blake > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 02/07/2020 at 04:52

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Should read, “Attention Blue Hairs! We can help with your BlueTeeth!”