"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
02/05/2020 at 16:05 • Filed to: politics | 7 | 100 |
So don’t read this.
In leu of that, look at this instead
It’s a 6x6 utility dealy we have. It’s great for tailgating.
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I want to say that I am proud to have voted for the one person willing to break with their party. It’s a bold move for a politician of any party these days to cross lines and whether you love it or hate it you have to admire his courage. It’s going to poison his affiliation with the party and it’s going to make a lot of people mad but he’s seen the evidence and actually made a determination as a juror as opposed to having his mind made up for him.
Refreshing to have someone actually do the thing they told me they’d do.
(per an email from his office in response to my email to the office)
“Thank you for contacting me to share your views and concerns regarding the impeachment of the President by the House of Representatives. I appreciate hearing your thoughts during this time.
Throughout this process I will act as a juror and will be unbiased in evaluating the cases that are presented. I take seriously my responsibility to fairly and impartially weigh all evidence and facts, consistent with my oath to “do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws”.
Thank you again for taking time to share your views. Please do not hesitate to reach out again on this or any other issue. You may also be interested in visiting my website, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , for news and legislative updates.
Sincerely,
Mitt Romney
United States Senator”
If you are wondering I only implored him to act as an impartial juror and follow the facts, not to urge an agenda one way or the other.
p.s. BOTH sides of the debate, if one happens in here, need to keep it civil and not make it personal.
ttyymmnn
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:23 | 16 |
Based on what I know, the president broke the law and the House is exercising its constitutional authority to hold him accountable. With the exception of Romney, the GOP is more interested in protecting the president than upholding the law. Which is why they denied any witnesses. Others are saying, “Let the voters decide in November!” It’s nice sentiment, but it’s not the voter’s job to decide his guilt or innocence, just like it wasn’t the voter’s job to decide who gets to be on the Supreme Court (I know Biden said the same thing in 1992 , and he was wrong then, too). The House did it’s job by impeaching the president. The Senate failed to its job by refusing to actually try him. Good on Mitt for having a conscience and acting on it.
HammerheadFistpunch
> ttyymmnn
02/05/2020 at 16:26 | 4 |
Thats the gist of it. Senators saying “I’ m not going to be impartial” is a huge dereliction of duty and they ought to be ashamed no to at least carry the pretense of doing their job.
MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:27 | 1 |
Glad you got a senator you can at least respect regardless of you’re own politics. Our R epublican Senator seems to be caught up in the Ukraine and Russia issues himself.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:28 | 2 |
Maybe I’m too cynical. I’m assuming he’s got an ulterior, more pragmatic, self-serving
motive for bucking the
GOP line other than ‘do the right thing’.
ttyymmnn
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 16:29 | 1 |
Well, he’s really got nothing to lose. He’s been the black sheep of the GOP ever since Trump came into office. He’s really been the only GOP Senator with the balls to call it like it is.
Ash78, voting early and often
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:29 | 16 |
Well, he just gained a lot of points in my book. Hard to believe when he was running for president, he was knocked for being too “polished” or “corporate” or “out of touch.” Today, that probably describes Pete Buttigieg.
I still believe Trump was elected because people artificially attribute some sense of competence to people with obvious money. And to most of the country, his “NYC Dick” attitude seemed like a refreshing, no-nonsense approach after Obama’s carefully crafted diction. But here’s the problem: Trump isn’t an SNL character. This is for real. Whoops.
See also: Boris Johnson.
MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:30 | 2 |
I can’t agree with you more about the courage of crossing your party, regardless of which direction. It’s important for our representatives to stay true to who they were when they were elected, current party favour be damned.
I watched his documentary awhile back, honestly with the intention to mock him, and was surprised at how earnest he was. Boring, bland
and kind of Stephen Harper robot like, but he seemed honest and genuine.
HammerheadFistpunch
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 16:33 | 2 |
There is a chance, but to be honest I think he’s got nothing to lose by being conscious driven. This will do him no favors.
WRXforScience
> ttyymmnn
02/05/2020 at 16:37 | 7 |
Every time they say, “let the voters decide” all I can think about is how Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin on anyone elected President. “The people” literally chose Hillary Clinton and the Electoral college chose Trump (yes that still counts as a win for him, but the fact he lost the popular vote should keep anyone from citing him as the people’s choice).
HammerheadFistpunch
> Ash78, voting early and often
02/05/2020 at 16:37 | 5 |
It kind of boils my blood a little the things that people could look past with so many candidates to end up with someone that needs constant “looking past”.
Sovande
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:39 | 3 |
What does he have to lose? He has proven the only thing he is politically capable of is being the Senator from Utah. He is an old has- been who won 73% of the vote in 2018. Those kinds of numbers indicate that any white man who hates gays but believes in magic underwear would have been elected. Courage would have been to publicly ask his party mates why they refuse to even pretend this process resembles something legitimate. Though the Democrats can’t go a day without stepping on their collective dick. Pelosi is an embarrassment and her antics prove, yet again, that the only thing the Democratic leadership is capable of doing is saying “W hat’s the big deal? He did it first.”
It's a shame.
and 100 more
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:39 | 3 |
I don’t agree with Romney on most things. But I admire and respect his willingness to not cave to the bullshit.
ttyymmnn
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:40 | 0 |
Interestingly, a small number of House Democrats (5) voted in favor of impeaching Clinton, but still, no Senate Democrats crossed the aisle to convict him. Though a surprising number of Senate Republicans voted “not guilty.”
Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:40 | 7 |
I’m not a fan of the current president, so maybe my take isn’t as unbiased as it could be. That being said, if I was a member of the Senate, I’d want to know. I wouldn’t want to sign my name to something without hearing all the facts. If you were to conclude that he didn’t break any laws after hearing all of the testimony, then okay, you did your due diligence. But to refuse to hear any testimony just reeks of burying your head in the sand.
I hate how partisan this whole country has become. There seems to be no middle ground any more. You’re either on “my side” or you’re on “their side”.
ttyymmnn
> WRXforScience
02/05/2020 at 16:41 | 0 |
Unfortunately, that’s just how our system works, for better or worse. I would argue, though, that the EC forces candidates to appeal to both urban and rural voters. There are enough urban votes to win the popular ballot, but you have to win some rural states to become president.
MrSnrub
> Ash78, voting early and often
02/05/2020 at 16:42 | 6 |
But here’s the problem: Trump isn’t an SNL character. This is for real. Whoops.
I still have trouble believing Trump is a real person and not someone from a cartoon world who somehow stepped through an interdimensional rift and ended up here
HammerheadFistpunch
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
02/05/2020 at 16:43 | 9 |
yeah, this is where I stand. this “us vs them” crap is the real enemy.
Saracen
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:43 | 1 |
Considering how unpopular Trump is in Utah, I think Romney’s the only GOP senator not putting his seat at risk by voting to convict.
I think a LOT of the GOP in the senate feel the same way about Trump, but they are voting to convict in fear of retaliation when they are up for reelection.
They might also think Pence would be a far worse president should they convict Trump . I don’t know if I agree with this, but Pence has the personality of a doorknob and stands zero chance of winning a presidential election.
Nothing
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:44 | 4 |
Could you imagine a judge’s response, or any attorney, if you were to serve on a jury, and instead of doing your civic duty, you played with fidget spinners and read books?
What a sham. Good on Romney for actually doing his job.
fintail
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:45 | 1 |
Aww good old Mittens, maybe he isn’t entirely a bad guy . Too bad he aligned with unrepentant shitbag Ryan all those years ago.
and 100 more
> Sovande
02/05/2020 at 16:45 | 1 |
This is the best take. It’s all a shitshow, no matter which side of the aisle they sit on.
At least Romney opted to be honest and call this a fiasco, like it is.
Spanfeller is a twat
> ttyymmnn
02/05/2020 at 16:46 | 0 |
He's a countryclub Republican in a sea of tea partiers...
fintail
> Ash78, voting early and often
02/05/2020 at 16:46 | 3 |
There’s definitely a lot of blind deference to money in US culture, with no care as to how it was obtained. 45 profits from this in many ways.
This blind deference likely won’t end well, especially for the people suffering from said deference/delusion.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Nothing
02/05/2020 at 16:48 | 0 |
let alone to say “yeah I’m not going to pretend to be impartial, my mind is made up”
Spanfeller is a twat
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:49 | 0 |
Its a shame it will remain merely a symbol.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Saracen
02/05/2020 at 16:50 | 0 |
Reading the comments on KSL show mixed results. Im a little surprised the backlash.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/05/2020 at 16:50 | 2 |
A symbolic gesture is worth a lot to me.
For Sweden
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:51 | 1 |
I dunno he once tried to find women to hire can we forgive that?
JustAnotherG6
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:53 | 0 |
Si
nce we are on a Political bend at the moment, I have been listening to a podcast called “behind the bastards” where they take a look at history and many of the crappy things they have done. It’s not overly political though they do tread all over the
line often.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/05/2020 at 16:54 | 3 |
Never realized a country club Republican could look so good now.
Spanfeller is a twat
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 16:54 | 2 |
Certainly. What he did has merit from a moral, and legal perspective.
But if Trump had a chance to be convicted I'd doubt he'd be willing to cross party lines.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Stapleface-Now Hyphenated!
02/05/2020 at 16:55 | 3 |
I wouldn’t want to sign my name to something without hearing all the facts.
Now that’s why you can
never be a politician.
Ash78, voting early and often
> MrSnrub
02/05/2020 at 16:55 | 3 |
Before John Mulaney got famous, and just before Trump started running for president, he did this bit. The fact that it’s about 10 years old makes it even better:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/the4zg/comedy-central-presents-donald-trump
Sorry for the CC link, he’s so popular now most of his older videos are on lockdown.
WRXforScience
> ttyymmnn
02/05/2020 at 16:57 | 4 |
Aside from the asinine system, my point was that they aren’t saying “respect the process of an election” but are saying “let the people decide” which implies that the people chose Trump in the first place. Yes, he won the election but he didn’t get the most support.
As another example, Yang was in Iowa and told the people there that because of the way the elections work, each of them counted as much as 1000 Californians to him (for the purposes of the nomination). How the hell, does that even start to make sense?
More people live in Houston than the entire states of South Dakota, North Dakota, and Wyoming COMBINED .
Iowa (just over 3 million) has a population less than half that of the DFW metroplex (just over 7 million), where I live. Shit, I got started fuming over the electoral college, again. At least when Texas becomes a ‘battleground state’ they’ll finally get rid of the electoral college (no way Republicans risk losing the entire election over one state).
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Saracen
02/05/2020 at 16:57 | 0 |
Pence would be a far worse president should they convict Trump
Yes. Because Pence i
s
rational and
reasonably intelligent, an
actual
human being. He’ll be able to work far more effectively to get his abhor
r
ent policies passed into law.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/05/2020 at 16:57 | 0 |
that is the question mark. Though he still stood against the party line when it came to voting for witnesses as well. Made a good argument too in that he was hoping it might help exonerate the president.
interstate366, now In The Industry
> Ash78, voting early and often
02/05/2020 at 17:00 | 2 |
He still talks about him (although doesn’t mention him by name here, also NSFW)
jminer
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:02 | 2 |
I’ll admit the nonsense of all of this has made me want to give up on all hope that sanity will return to our governing bodies. Trump’s defense seriously pulled out the Nixon explanation of if the President does it - it isn’t a crime.
I’m pleasantly surprised that Romney is going this direction - he’s powerful enough that he’s safe from a primary as well as re-election against a democrat. Hopefully others follow his lead and vote based off the facts instead of like Rubio admitting publicly that yes he did it, and yes it’s shitty but he is not going to vote to convict.
It’s all actually meaningless as there was never any way he was going to be removed from office over this.
Just fuck...
VincentMalamute-Kim
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:02 | 0 |
BTW, I’m surprised you posted politics based on the relatively recent sh*tshow that happened. Although it sounds like everyone who’s left here is all in agreement. Which is actually kinda boring and pointless as there’s no real “discussion”.
I didn’t agree with ImmoralMinority’s politics but if he could keep personal attacks out of his responses, he was articulate in arguing his position.
I guess he’s decided he has no need for this forum in his life and he has better things to do
. Or his feelings were hurt (I doubt that
).
TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:04 | 0 |
Good for him, at least this is one positive to take away from this political shame that is the current state of the Senate.
HammerheadFistpunch
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 17:05 | 3 |
Debate is fine. Personal attacks ain't
VincentMalamute-Kim
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:06 | 0 |
I agree. But it’s not a debate that’s occurring here given that e
veryone is on the same side. So all of the comments
seem
s
pointless i
ncluding my own.
smobgirl
> fintail
02/05/2020 at 17:09 | 1 |
What’s sort of funny is that I’m from the level of working class where we don’t trust anyone with money.
Spanfeller is a twat
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:14 | 0 |
Yeah, I saw that... It would’ve been a much more interesting trial if they were able to bring witnesses.
But, thats thats politics for you... He did The Right Thing.
UserNotFound
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:16 | 1 |
I can only sit and wonder how this would have gone if John McCain, God rest his soul, were here for this. Nobody else will stand up to McConnell, and McConnell wants Trump in the Oval Office.
HammerheadFistpunch
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 17:18 | 1 |
I see what you are saying and I can see how people would be worried about starting one. Im okay with being a little uncomfortable with people’s opinions and beliefs but it is hard work to not instinctively react.
Chariotoflove
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 17:27 | 3 |
I’m not. My feelings for Trump personally aside, this whole impeachment process was not about protecting our democracy. It was about g etting Trump at all costs. It’s the same waste of time that the Clinton impeachment was, where we should not forget, it was absolutely proven that the President broke the law but the Senate decided that it wasn’t important enough a transgression to remove a sitting president for the first time in history.
As I said at the beginning of this mess, Trump was never going to be convicted, but it will backfire on the Dems, because he will almost certainly use this to his advantage. He’ll trumpet how The Swamp tried to get him out of the way of fighting for the citizens , but he emerged victorious. He has a huge base that will eat that up. As long as the economy doesn’t tank between now and November, he’ll be reelected.
fintail
> smobgirl
02/05/2020 at 17:29 | 0 |
These days that’s maybe how it should be, at least skepticism of the born on third base types like POTUS, who the base preaches is a hardworking self-made entrepreneur. More like a glorified carnival barker who inherited an empire from daddy and made money in a market where even a dead guy could turn a profit.
Also makes me think of an amusing disconnect regarding the hatred of the “elites” by many who support an inheritance elite real estate magnate from Manhattan.
SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:31 | 1 |
He’d have done well that last time he ran for office... Too bad a certain netw ork ran nonstop coverage of an incident with a dog and a pet carrier, which was apparently a disqualifying oversight for the highest office in the land.
Seems so innocent these days, eh?
https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/romney-says-he-wouldnt-transport-dog-on-roof-again/
CobraJoe
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:31 | 1 |
I like to believe that actions have consequences, but it’s hard to see it happening in today’s political climate.
It’s really not helping my mid-winter depression.
SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 17:33 | 0 |
The funny thing with Pence is that he’s been playing “the long game” for decades. He’s been “a man with a plan” since college. It’s actually fascinating.
fintail
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 17:35 | 2 |
If anything, this wa s revenge for 1998.
He’ll be re-elected simply because the Dems can’t get their shit together enough to get behind a candidate with even a little momentum and identity.
At least rational thinking people now know DOTUS has engaged in criminal behavior , even if he wasn’t convicted.
CompactLuxuryFan
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:39 | 0 |
https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/1225165480543080448?s=20
Chariotoflove
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:40 | 4 |
I will say that I agree with you on that, and that I thought you handled that situation well. I just want to give you this one thought: a nyone who expresses a conservative viewpoint on this forum can generally be expected to endure an avalanche of vigorous (and often angry) replies, many of them seeking to shout down the commenter. It gets incredibly frustrating to be shouted at and made to feel isolated among a group of people you generally consider your friends just for presenting your opinion.
I myself don’t feel free to post on these subjects for fear of recrimination. Posts on political threads are the only time when I feel inhibited and ask myself, “is it really worth getting pounded for this?” That bunker mentality that arises tends to make most people sad, testy, and defensive.
My wish for this forum would be for us to do better at acknowledging and respecting each others arguments, even as we disagree.
Chariotoflove
> fintail
02/05/2020 at 17:42 | 0 |
Agreed with all of that, except that I see poor judgement and inappropriate behavior, but not crime.
HammerheadFistpunch
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 17:45 | 2 |
I agree. I’ve posted many times before that the “us v Them” needs to die. Its difficult as hell to examine your own viewpoints and given the binary viewpoint on the GOP its bound to be as frictionless as tectonic plates. Then again, its hard to be anything these days it seems.
HammerheadFistpunch
> CompactLuxuryFan
02/05/2020 at 17:48 | 0 |
seems like a pointless low blow that , for as easy as it sounds, was a difficult choice to do the right thing and face the consequences . What can and should be mock worthy is how apparently difficult it was for the rest of the party to locate their spines.
Nothing
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:51 | 0 |
Coincidentally enough, I received a jury summons in the mail today.
Chariotoflove
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 17:58 | 4 |
Totally. I was thinking of the discussions my wife and I have when we disagree on something, and what I’ve learned is something that should be obvious, but usually isn’t. The best way to start is to first put yourself in the other person’s shoes and try to see the valid points of their position. That sets a tone of respect. Then, you can go from there to explain why your view differs. If we could find a way to keep that in mind, then it would be a lot more pleasant to have these discussions here.
Mercedes Streeter
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 17:58 | 1 |
...
I feel inhibited and ask myself, “is it really worth getting pounded for this?” That bunker mentality that arises tends to make most people sad, testy, and defensive.
In a weird sad irony, you know how I (and others like me) feel when writing online. Sometimes (more often than I should, lately) I end up weighing whether something is worth writing and ultimately deciding it really isn’t.
Or I’ll just trash it after publishing because holy crap, I garnered a reaction wildly different than expected. Reactions that are sometimes frustrating ly unnecessary. It’s legitimately stressful and why a few of my more recent posts have little disclaimers in them.
fintail
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 18:03 | 2 |
I can respect that as I know it is up for interpretation, and abuses of power aren’t always federal crimes. From what I recall there are points to be made for obstruction and bribery/coercion at the least. With any luck, when he’s finally out of office in another 375 years, he can be brought up on unpardonable state charges. I don’t want him impeached, I want him strung up on real charges. Sadly, some of his supporters would probably launch an armed attack in support of dear leader.
I also wonder why the gang of accountability-free old men were so against having witnesses. Really, I don’t wonder, protecting a man who has lied about everything from his wealth to his height/weight to his adulterous affairs. Certainly not trying to hide anything. Oh well, the Dems blew it like the Rs did 20+ years ago, that’s that.
All of the Russia distraction is funny too, as we still can’t get an answer to why his feckless daughter has a history with Wendi Deng - at the time widely rumored to be Putin’s galpal. No doubt greasing some wheels somewhere.
Chariotoflove
> Mercedes Streeter
02/05/2020 at 18:09 | 1 |
I’ve noticed that. When your life has drama, and you post about it, you open yourself up not only to support from friends, but to criticism from people who either think they are helping or maybe just want to mock. It’s tough to have to cringe while you hit “send” and hope the blow doesn’t fall. I just hope in the analysis, you feel more supported than criticized.
Chariotoflove
> fintail
02/05/2020 at 18:15 | 1 |
I don’t care if Trump ever gets any comeuppance or whatever. I don’t even care about the reality-show details of his personal life, his tweets, none of it. All I care about is my country, my community, and how my tax dollars get spent. My targets aren’t people, they are issues. Those issues, and more, will be here after Trump is long gone.
Mercedes Streeter
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 18:25 | 1 |
Thankfully I have built up a solid support system over the years.
Oppo will be less so going forward. Constructive criticism is one thing (I want that), but that’s not always what happened. I can now tell that some people are tired that after 5 years I still haven’t yeeted the relationships I have with some people into space. I have my own reasons for the continued effort of trying to patch things up. Will I regret it one day? Possibly..
I’ll still do transition updates when I find the time, but from here I’m definitely narrowing my focus. Life more private , more cars/bikes.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
02/05/2020 at 18:30 | 0 |
That’s what’s so scary about him.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 18:35 | 2 |
I would agree that a lot of it is get Trump. But asking for foreign interference in our elections is against the law. Clinton also broke the law but lying about sex is not on the same order as undermining our own elections.
It was obvious to everyone with any sense that Trump would never be removed. It irritates to read headlines like “Senate will
most likely
vote to acquit”. Really?! I know they’re supposed to try to be impartial but still...
Mercedes Streeter
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 18:39 | 0 |
While I applaud Romney for having a spine, I feel he made a pretty safe vote and thus not a whole lot of spine.
I mean, what does he have to lose? To illustrate how much Utah is “meh” on Trump, only 45% ( of those who voted) voted for Trump. Rewind back to 2012 and 72% voted Romney. Utah seems to like Romney more than Trump, so he can feel safe being a sometimes critic of the President.
fintail
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 18:40 | 0 |
I definitely understand that. I just have concern about he and his handpicked gang of cons will impact issues, my community, and the eventual use of my tax dollars. I have strong doubts the impacts will b e positive.
The Simpsons predicted this, and predicted a woman president will come in to clean up the mess.
CompactLuxuryFan
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 18:49 | 1 |
Well, she’s a comedian so it would be strange for her to tweet... un-sarcastically? Don’t think it’s a low blow. Point is by now most people are very out of brownie points to give out. As many have pointed out, consequences for Mitt aren’t bad, all things considered.
ttyymmnn
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 18:59 | 1 |
I never thought I’d miss Dubya.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> ttyymmnn
02/05/2020 at 19:02 | 2 |
haha! You’re right! Our “
example-
of-
early-
dementia-
in-
chief
”
is
making
everyone look good.
SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 19:06 | 0 |
Oh, he could very well be The Manchurian Candidate. I guarantee there will never be a #MeToo accusation against him... he’s too under control.
In fact, he could actually be “Barry”...
HammerheadFistpunch
> Mercedes Streeter
02/05/2020 at 19:08 | 1 |
While it’ s easy to sit here and say it was an easy choice...the facts are that he stood alone here . This isn’t helping him in Utah at all I can tell you. Utah democrats won’ t see this as enough to sway them and it will only push utah republicans further away. Then again, he’s got 5 more years and it will be easy to forget by then.
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> MrSnrub
02/05/2020 at 19:18 | 1 |
I just keep hoping that at the end of his term he suddenly breaks character, a whole bunch of teacher looking people pop out from behind him, and we all get a stern “this was ALL a test, and you all miserably failed”. And we all get a mandatory 6 month civics course before we’re allowed to go out in public again.
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 19:24 | 2 |
Good on him - and I think he’s a good barometer in this day and age for people who might identify as Republicans but aren’t just full on Trumpeters (small group apparently, I know).
Having family in Maine this meme unfortunately rings true for the republican senator from that state. Hope to god she gets her butt kicked this November as many are predicting -
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 19:31 | 1 |
I’d give the group here more credit than that. There’s certainly a decent amount of diversity of thought here and not everyone is a raging liberal (I am for the most part – and plenty, HHFP included, doesn’t quite fit in to that bucket).
Also – he who
shall not be named, on top of the personal
attacks – at least personally I found his positions to be just bizarre,
especially for someone with a legal background. He just kept barking up the
Biden conspiracy tree – and no matter how much detail
I dug up all the way from back
in 2015 onwards to help explain the actual fact pattern all he could do was mock
me for not being as smart as him and stand by his position because “he just
knows how these things work” because he simply couldn’t trust Obama for no good reason
. Not a particularly good argument, if you ask me.
Anyway – I’d say the remaining group here is principled while having varying positions. There’s no need to bring ridiculous arguments and attacks to the table simply to have “equal” representation.
HammerheadFistpunch
> ZHP Sparky, the 5th
02/05/2020 at 19:34 | 1 |
I’d like to think that the people who would like to be called republicans and hate trump is bigger than a minority. I’ve told my wife that I want to be republican...but they are making it damn difficult these days.
The truth is that the party is just a shadow of what many people still believe it to be.
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 19:36 | 1 |
Thank you for chiming in – was specifically thinking of you in my response as being a great contributor here who has differing opinions from mine but someone I have learnt a lot from regardless. I don’t agree with your statement on as to “why” this impeachment took place – the answer is likely a whole bunch of factors, but we can’t prove what’s in their heads either way – but you are sadly correct about the impacts it will have. To me it’s a question of how successful Trump will be at painting himself as the victim again and drumming his base up with that, vs. how much moderates and progressives who sat out/voted 3 rd party in prior elections is fed up by the staggering amount of stonewalling on the part of Rs in congress in order to come out to vote.
At least given how horribly organized the DNC is and all the infighting in the party, unfortunately at this point I agree that Trump certainly has the upper hand.
Chariotoflove
> fintail
02/05/2020 at 19:41 | 1 |
Just remember that your local elected officials will have a much larger impact on your daily life than the Chief Executive. And then go vote all the way down the ballot.
Chariotoflove
> ZHP Sparky, the 5th
02/05/2020 at 19:42 | 1 |
Thanks for saying that.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
02/05/2020 at 19:43 | 1 |
yup!
VincentMalamute-Kim
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 19:52 | 0 |
I’m getting a vague memory
that maybe
you’re one of the moderators involved in the previous drama here. If so; oops, sorry. I can’t remember who’s who here.
I wasn’t intending to revisit that episode. I had what I thought was an insightful comment that everyone agreeing with each other doesn’t really make a good discussion. Which reminded me of the most out-spoken person repping the other side.
Basically - nevermind!
Chariotoflove
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 19:56 | 0 |
I just don’t see the “foreign interference” thing. To me, information or disinformation is just that. People can say what they want (and they do), and it makes no difference whether that speech comes from Russians or Iowans. Interference in our elections for me would constitute attempts to falsify election results or coerce voters’ choices.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 20:00 | 0 |
anyone who expresses a conservative viewpoint on this forum can generally be expected to endure an avalanche of vigorous (and often angry) replies, many of them seeking to shout down the commenter.
That’s too bad. I have endured people who respout “talking points” with no knowledge of what they’re saying and I feel no need to engage with those types.
I have also listened to people who make a thoughtful and knowledgeable argument. Example is an NPR interview with Alan Dershowitz (before he joined the legal team) which made me think “huh, he makes a good point”.
For me anyway, it’s not “
anyone who expresses a conservative viewpoint
”
, it’s
anyone who expresses a viewpoint that’s merely parroting talk show hosts.
fintail
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 20:00 | 1 |
And I am grateful to live in a more advanced first world part of the country, though not without plenty of faults, isn’t as on board the crazy train as many other places. Still, seeing people like DeVos in positions of relative power, and all of DTs criminal (to the point of so many literally being locked up) advisers and inner circle is chilling.
VincentMalamute-Kim
> ZHP Sparky, the 5th
02/05/2020 at 20:05 | 0 |
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
You may be right. I tend not to do that.
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Those views
are
weird - I skipped over a lot of those posts because it seemed to be bordering on the conspiracy the
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 20:17 | 1 |
You’re right. It’s n
ot directly election interference as you describe.
It’s the asking a foreign government to dig up dirt on your political rival that violates federal election law. That’s the worst one. Withholding arms to an ally trying to fight off an indirect invasion from arguably our No. 2 enemy (Russia) is throwing national interests under the bus in favor of your own.
HammerheadFistpunch
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 20:29 | 0 |
That were me. No worries, it's a valid point to raise. I really do think we should be able to talk politic here, but I expect people to hold themselves to a higher standard that typical online debates
VincentMalamute-Kim
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 20:42 | 0 |
Thank you.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 20:56 | 0 |
Back in november when this was abou t o start , there a Bloomberg opini on piece paraphrasing, “every thread pulled on a trump scandal, has only found more scandals.. To those defending him, y ou don’t know what youre defending him from . E very event has shown more scandal.”
I don’t think this is over , and I think romney knows that history will not look back at this acquittal fondly .
DipodomysDeserti
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/05/2020 at 21:20 | 1 |
I think he would have. Romney isn’t your average politician. The fact he got the Republican nomination as a Mexican-born LDS member is pretty impressive. I think he knows the sun has set on conservatives like him and is making his last stand. Don’t confuse him with Jeff Flake, who has no balls.
Chariotoflove
> VincentMalamute-Kim
02/05/2020 at 21:22 | 0 |
Well, people do need to express their own arguments if they want to have credibility. That’s a given. OTOH, I have to say that so far this thread is proving me wrong, and I like that.
DipodomysDeserti
> For Sweden
02/05/2020 at 21:25 | 2 |
How did we go so quickly from “ binders of women” to “grab her by the pussy”?
VincentMalamute-Kim
> Chariotoflove
02/05/2020 at 21:33 | 1 |
Maybe quieter and
reasonable people feel more
comfortable posting their opinions
with the loudmouths and hotheads gone.
glemon
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 21:55 | 1 |
Couple of comments, interesting there is a Romney story on Yahoo and if that is the center of your worldview you would think the world a much different place. Yahoo must be the place Rush Limbaugh fans go to read.
Second, I certainly applaud Romney for doing this, but I can never quite get past his absolutely horrid 47% speech, where he basically said half of America wants to sit on its ass all day and live off the government, an insult to all the people who bust their asses everyday to pay bills, buy groceries, give their kids a decent life when they weren't born into a decent life themselves. Still, I guess it makes him better than McConnell and the rest of the lot who basically said due process doesn't matter, we should just follow the leader. Hate to contemplate where that kind of "leadership" takes a country in the long run.
For Sweden
> DipodomysDeserti
02/05/2020 at 22:12 | 2 |
https://theslot.jezebel.com/cable-news-chose-to-air-footage-of-trumps-empty-podium-1779601746
wafflesnfalafel
> Mercedes Streeter
02/05/2020 at 22:15 | 0 |
yeah.. gotta agree there. Keeping the “moral” Mormon vote w/in the ‘publican party. I would expect him to follow that route. I’m just amazed at how much control he has over the rest of the party. You know he has stuff on many of them, but I woulda thought a few would stand up...
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> DipodomysDeserti
02/05/2020 at 23:05 | 1 |
His dad was born in Mexico
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> glemon
02/05/2020 at 23:22 | 1 |
If he ran for president, like he did governor of MassachusettsI think he would have done much better, but he would have never have gotten the nomination. Instead he cornered himself in teh primary and became of caricature of his former self in the general .
glemon
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/05/2020 at 23:34 | 0 |
Yeah, regardless of party affiliation or whatever that is the part that bugs me most, the house voted for a trial, similar to a grand jury indictment, more than half the senators said our minds are made up, no trial, no due process, no process at all.
That being said, and kind of coming back and being self contradictory (because I indicated everybody should respect the law and the process) the Dems were idiots for pushing this in the first place.
1. They had no chance of winning in the Senate
2. They had a crappy case—a good case can be explained simply and clearly in a sentence, they broke into the Democratic N ational C ommittee headquarters, he diddled an intern.
The facts were there on this one, but not easy to articulate in a sound bite that captures the whole thing.
3. The election is this year
4. The case energizes Trump’s supporters
5. Trump’s approval ratings are going up.
6. It wasn't rocket science to predict all this.