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"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 11/14/2020 at 08:14 • Filed to: None

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 11/14/2020 at 08:52

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I definitely appreciate Bill calling bullshit wherever he sees it.

I probably wouldn’t have included Woody Allen, though... and what Louis did is effed up, too. 

Mercedes Streeter > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/14/2020 at 08:57

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And he had a weird way of downplaying Kavanaugh... Like those were really serious allegations.

My bird IS the word > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 11/14/2020 at 09:06

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Hes half right. I would say its also about the issues. Each party is about “freedom” for THEIR way of life. Not about their opponents’ . No understanding. No compromise. No rational discussion. It’s just deplorables vs libtards.

And frankly, I want the government to have less power. If you've ever worked for them, you would know why. That includes power over peoples bodies, and what they do in their free time.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Mercedes Streeter 11/14/2020 at 09:14

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Yeah, you can’t lump serious allegations in with frivolous ones.

And I’m not saying people shouldn’t answer for being an asshole, either.

Aziz is one that I feel crossed the line on the way he was treated. She pursued him, and never vocalized that she wanted him to stop. You have to take some personal responsibility. You can’t decide the day after you didn’t like how something went down and put the blame on the other person - we aren’t mind-readers, and alcohol makes it easy to miss subtle  non-verbal cues.

Mercedes Streeter > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 11/14/2020 at 09:17

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Current day Maher disappoints me.

He doesn’t do a lot of research on subjects he actually knows little about. Then he’ll just full send what little research he did as complete facts and it’s painful to watch. Good example is the “debate” he did with Milo Yiannopoulos.

Personally, I think it’s foolish to hang your hat on only a single cause for wins or losses. This election in particular is one that is very unique.

Here in Illinois, Underwood (D) initially lost her seat to Oberweis (R). But because he won by fewer than a thousand votes, an automatic recount was triggered. The recount included mail-in votes that hadn’t been delivered at the time of the original count. She has been officially declared the winner with a 4,000 vote lead. Had the original count stuck and Oberweis declared winner, she wouldn’t have lost because of Maher’s narrative.

So there’s more to winning and losing in this election than simply how SJW a candidate or party was. Politics are almost never that simple.

Cash Rewards > My bird IS the word 11/14/2020 at 09:25

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As a federal employee, your last sentence is hugely confusing to me

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Mercedes Streeter 11/14/2020 at 09:33

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See also: socialism

I felt like this election (down ballot) was a rejection of that more than anything, honestly. It’s definitely why Biden lost Florida (Cuban vote) , even if that label doesn’t really stick to him.

My bird IS the word > Cash Rewards 11/14/2020 at 09:43

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some of the laziest people imagineable work for the federal government. This is not as an outsider.

Gerry197 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 11/14/2020 at 10:20

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I mean look at California, they overwhelmingly voted for Biden, more so than any other state, but they actually voted in more Republicans to the house.

Then there was the propositions, in which they rejected a return to Affirmative Action, Taxes on Business and sided with Uber/Lyft on employee classification. The results were essentially what you would expect from conservative voters.

A state that is overwhelmingly more diverse and blue voted against Affirmative Action even though it was highly financed prop with full Democratic support, especially from Biden/Harris.

This shows clearly that because you are a Democrat it doesn’t mean you’re liberal and because you are Republican that you are conservative. Most people are somewhere in the middle.    

Cash Rewards > My bird IS the word 11/14/2020 at 11:12

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Some of the laziest people imaginable work all sorts of job. That has nothing to do with the government. And I still have no idea what you meant about my bodies and free time. I have limited investment opportunities due to conflict of interest, but that’s pretty reasonable and standard, and is my only real limitation.

fintail > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/14/2020 at 11:19

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“Socialism” is a great R ploy to get people going. Makes scores of usually questionably educated people scream in fear believing they’ll end in Cuba or Venezuela, while their own quality of life continues to slowly but surely decline under corporatist trickle down insanity (embraced by both sides, even though one feigns offense). All the Rs need to do is exclaim the Ds are bring ing “socialism”, and they’ll get plenty of votes.

TEM Syndrome is a deep thing, have fun with the threadbare safety net, medical debt, faltering economic mobility, alarming income/wealth gaps, crumbling infrastructure, etc.

fintail > My bird IS the word 11/14/2020 at 11:21

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But I am sure you are working against that trend, right? ;)

After nearly 20 years working in the private sector/large publicly traded corporate world, I can say laziness and incompetence knows no bounds, and failing upwards isn’t just for born on third base politicos.

fintail > Gerry197 11/14/2020 at 11:25

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I wonder if CA not being a battleground state creates a little more sanity in terms of those issues .   It seems the really contested states have more batshit candidates.

Most Ds definitely stray from being “liberal” when compared to the definition of the term in other wealthy nations, and Rs seem to range from middling mostly harmless corporatists to full blown American Talibam.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > fintail 11/14/2020 at 11:44

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I’m not saying it’s not largely a political ploy (like anti-abortion), but it works.

There clearly needs to be major change, but the Ds need better branding if they want to be successful. 

Wacko > My bird IS the word 11/14/2020 at 12:38

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You are mixing unionized jobs and government. Which are all unionized. 

fintail > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/14/2020 at 13:36

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Oh, I definitely agree, and I think there is a political bent to it - it is a hot button term for many people. It also works with the “I got mine, you can go screw yourself” mentality of too many.

I am no fan of the modern populist regressive R movement, but I can easily admit they outsmart and out-politic the Ds 9 times out of 10 lately. The Ds have no strong identity and little to attract anyone new into the fold. Unless they work for real reform and find away to get people excited, they are going to have even tougher times ahead.

My bird IS the word > fintail 11/14/2020 at 14:37

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Honestly its such a low standard that I am putting in what I would consider "average" amount of effort and Everyone is super happy with me. Very easy to become a superstar in my organization

My bird IS the word > Cash Rewards 11/14/2020 at 14:43

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I just meant more i dont agree with alot of the gay and trans shaming of the right, nor the insistence that the left cares about freedom of expression with how they view “Toxic men” or anyone that criticizes these same vulnerable groups is some kind of awful person. We should be free to live how we want, without having to crush someone else in the process. If we allow this moral panic bs our  hobby is going to be on the chopping block eventually.

Cash Rewards > My bird IS the word 11/14/2020 at 15:37

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Fair enough. I'm coming from the "employed by the federal government" point of view, where it's just a job, with bosses like any other, and politics rarely (but sometimes) gets into your day to day

fintail > My bird IS the word 11/14/2020 at 17:10

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Maybe the organization is the issue?

I just don’t know if most of the private sector is all that different. The amount of schmoozy sometimes dbaggy overgrown fratboy types I see who appear to have unlimited promotion potential while making suspect real contributions is endless. Maybe the public sector thing that gets me most, aside from the praetorian unions and some of the bennies (especially pensions), is in many orgs, once you manage to not get fired for ~10 years, you’re there for life, then to retire at a relatively young age with benefits private sector workers can only dream of - while they subsidize it.

My bird IS the word > fintail 11/15/2020 at 09:36

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My GF's dad works for the county, same story over there.

fintail > My bird IS the word 11/15/2020 at 12:12

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Maybe you’re both just such amazing dynamos of productivity that what seems cakey to you is normal for others? :)

I just don’t think lazy people is a bigger problem in public vs private sector.  Lazy people, and employers who fail to push lazy people, are problems in any workplace.

My bird IS the word > Wacko 11/15/2020 at 12:39

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Our union doesn't really do jack shit for us

My bird IS the word > fintail 11/15/2020 at 13:07

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fintail > My bird IS the word 11/15/2020 at 13:11

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No doubt, and it’s the same in both sectors.