So proud of my little warrior [politics]

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 10/04/2020 at 15:44 • Filed to: Politics, do as I say, not as I say

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I’m genuinely trying hard to find a place in my heart to wish this man well with his recovery. I recognize it’ s the right thing to do, the human thing to do...but why does he have to make it so hard?!

I do hope he recovers, but the only reason he’s even in this war is that he couldn’t get a medical deferment from service . He’s a warrior the same way I’m a warrior when a hornet flies around my face and I indignantly try and swat it away at picnics .

From an image point of view this situation is one of 2 things:

1. NBD - The president is recovering well, is in no real peril, and showing that the continued downplaying of the seriousness of the virus has been justified.

2. Very serious and we should all be deeply concerned with his health as he fights with a dangerous virus.

or if you live in fantasy land

3. Both? This overblown, under control threat is a very dangerous and a serious threat.

As a marketer as well as a human I’ m at odds with this messaging.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:16

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My interpretation is he is a warrior like a child who has cancer. Which is not the case.

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/04/2020 at 16:19

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Right. That’ s the implication (thus the title of the post), that he’s fighting a fight and being such a trooper.

Im sure we’ll never hear more about what a winner he is for defeating this virus that’s not so bad.

just-a-scratch > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:24

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It seems to me untrained eyes that most people are not at great risk of death, but serious effects happen even for those who recover. I’m not very worried about Covid for my survival, but I am concerned about what medium to long term effects it could have on me and my wife, and more so the potential it has to kill my parents and in-l aws. For these reasons I being pretty careful about exposure.

When it comes to Trump, I wish him a long recovery.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:25

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Bless his heart

cmill189 - sans Volvo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:28

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#blessed 

Nick Has an Exocet > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:29

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The media wants you to believe both. Which is a sign that you’ve been brainwashed and ready to accept programming. Truth is probably that it’s currently NBD and will hopefully stay that way. Whether you like him or not, he has a job to do. 

HammerheadFistpunch > just-a-scratch 10/04/2020 at 16:31

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The research thats coming out is showing some interesting concerns with long term effects, though its clearly too early to say. Either way I don’t want to find out. Same story with my parents and in-laws.

“Im not worried about it.” say my in- laws. Makes sense. they are older and fully prepared and don’t think the effort is worth it. Except...Their kids pick up the pieces and deal with the loss. M y kids would go to their funeral. It’ s not just about you, especially if I killed you through negligence on my part.

Its very easy to not be be worried about a virus...until it hits home.  

HammerheadFistpunch > Nick Has an Exocet 10/04/2020 at 16:32

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I don’t like him (as a person, leaving politics out of it) but him dying would be bad and me wishing him anything but a recovery wouldn’t be right.

boredalways > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:33

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Whatever happens, happens.

Just Jeepin' > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:34

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You spent so much time writing this my “hour rule” looks idiotic, thanks!

(j/k, them’s the breaks. I’ve started creating hour rule drafts because it’s been happening so often lately, easier than scrambling for something at the last minute.)

HammerheadFistpunch > boredalways 10/04/2020 at 16:34

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and your keys are in the last place you left them.  Seriously though we should wish this human well as we should all humans.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 10/04/2020 at 16:36

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Hahahahaha, this. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin' 10/04/2020 at 16:36

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You and the other hour rulers are the true warriors.  I’m being a little facetious, but only a little...I really appreciate the posts and I don’t think they get the credit they deserve. 

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:36

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Trump the warrior... LOL. 

They flew Trump to a military hospital. My guess is his symptoms are at least a little worse than as mild as they claim.

I’d say he’s at least in ‘some peril’.

And as usual, Trump and his gang couldn’t tell the truth even if their lives depended on it.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Nick Has an Exocet 10/04/2020 at 16:37

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“ The media wants you to believe both”

No... I would say Trump and his gang want you to believe both.  The media just reports.   And the Trump administration has an on-going problem with telling the truth. 

Just Jeepin' > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:40

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I have no kids, limited hobbies, no social life (well, it is 2020 after all), so why not?

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:44

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As I’ve said before, I don’t necessarily want him to die, but I do want him to experience the fear of death, like so many other Americans. 

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 10/04/2020 at 16:47

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I told my wife that I hope this experience brings him some empathy...but I’m not holding my breath.

Nick Has an Exocet > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/04/2020 at 16:51

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“ The media just reports.”

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 16:55

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No chance. If he survives, it will do nothing but increase his own opinion of himself. 

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:02

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The thing is that this is significantly serious for people getting up in the years and he does fall in this relative age group as with many of your upper echelon politicians. However there really aren’t too many people in this world that would receive greater health care than him. Even if he was in a degrading state, they would be providing above and beyond what even a very well off citizen could and would get.

From my own personal dive into the matter; this is a serious issue to a significant amount of the worlds population. I have my own thoughts on what we did right and what we did wrong from the great span of global to local levels.

In closing, I know people will but they really shouldn’t base their thoughts of Covid around his personal (and potentially speedy) recovery. I’m not a US citizen so I do hope he makes a healthy recovery , and I would the same for Biden in a similar circumstance.

Svend > ttyymmnn 10/04/2020 at 17:07

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I’ve been saying the same thing.

If he recovers quickly, with not experiencing any real form of pain, he will use it as a, ‘this is all fake, I’ve had worse colds than this!’. 

Taylor Martin > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:10

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It’s hard because we know that deep down inside the guy really doesn’t care about us, so why should we care about him. Then there are all his supporters who are praying to god and kissing his feet to wish him a speedy recovery... the same people who mocked folks for wearing masks, lied about their breathing problems, and coughed in faces for sport... so it’s really really really hard to have empathy for the biggest symbol of hate since the Swastika ...

The moral side of me says that’s harsh, but the flawed human side of me says that’s fair. Oh the duality of man...

Spanfeller is a twat > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:10

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*Kant nods in approval*

fintail > Nick Has an Exocet 10/04/2020 at 17:20

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So where do you get your news?  What are some credible sources?  Asking seriously.

fintail > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:23

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Tots and pears for this brave warrior fighting for freedom, working hard to bring prosperity and justice for everyone.

Stand back, stand by.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:30

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Bear in mind that there is probably more medical facility at the White House than there would be found any many county hospitals. So being "sent home" isn't like you or me being sent home. The existence of those resources creates capacity for the White House to skew the reality of the situation.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Nick Has an Exocet 10/04/2020 at 17:32

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Your post shows you buying into a narrative as well.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > just-a-scratch 10/04/2020 at 17:33

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When it comes to Trump, I wish him a long recovery.

That's by far the best I've seen that played.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:34

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I'm quite content with my provision of the standard response in times like these...thoughts and prayers.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/04/2020 at 17:35

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Except that even the insiders may not know what is going on.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 10/04/2020 at 17:38

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HammerheadFistpunch > fintail 10/04/2020 at 17:42

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I think its silly to pretend that there is an unbiased media on either side. But there are certainly outlets that peddle a crafted campaign , and outlets that pedal a biased opinion with their news.

When it comes between those choices ...ill take biased opinions .

Textured Soy Protein > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:42

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He just had the Secret Service truck him out to the gates at Walter Reed in an armored Suburban so he could wave at the adoring masses gathered there. I’m just surprised so many of those fuckers got here so quickly because they’re sure not locals.

He was wearing a mask, as were the agents, who I'm sure were *thrilled* to share a vehicle with him.

HammerheadFistpunch > Textured Soy Protein 10/04/2020 at 17:43

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“whoa whoa whoa...Im mean...I’ll take a bullet for this guy but I don’t want no COVID.”

Seriously though, crap gig.  

fintail > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 17:46

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Indeed, big names like CNN and FOX (de facto state sponsored media outlet) definitely have their bias.

I just wonder what the one screaming about media issues  sees as a credible less biased source.

mhr555 > Textured Soy Protein 10/04/2020 at 18:00

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I bet it was a body double.

HammerheadFistpunch > fintail 10/04/2020 at 18:10

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I think we’re on the same page.  just a reminder not to let it get out of hands in the comments.

gettingoldercarguy > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 18:15

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Next level selfishness

gettingoldercarguy > fintail 10/04/2020 at 18:23

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It’s not nbd. With the steroid treatment, he’s either in bad shape and needs it or is an overbearing vip, demanding it even though it’ s not needed which will potentially harm him down the road.

This isn’t media hysteria, it’s medicine.  Those who think they understand it without a background in medicine and label it as nbd are impressive.

Textured Soy Protein > mhr555 10/04/2020 at 18:58

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fintail > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 19:15

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I didn’t think that was an issue. When someone broad-brushes the media as all having an ulterior motive, they need to let us know where we can find a news source as free from bias as possible.

I’m not expecting an answer from the original poster, either.

fintail > gettingoldercarguy 10/04/2020 at 19:16

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Insane amount of armchair epidemiologists out there these days.

Nick Has an Exocet > fintail 10/04/2020 at 19:30

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I tend to pull from multiple sources: local (always a laugh - especially when its a skewed nationally produced packaged affiliate piece), C-SPAN, CNN, Fox News, BBC, RT, and NHK World. Usually look at at least 2 domestic and 1 international on anything that I actually care about. I am also a bit exhaustive in that when I see quotes used as headlines or near the headline, I take the time to find the full quote within context and also check sources on things that are scientific (since it’s always fun to see who sponsored the “research”). Every once in a while, I flip through the “news” channels on Pluto for a laugh.

The other thing I do is look up the Twitter profile of the journalists whose stories that I read. A lot of them are just pushing agendas to sell their books or see themselves of warriors of the left or right and that truth is just a subjective effect used for building a good story.

Why am I so annoyingly exhaustive? I work in public relations. My job is social engineering these people and their eyeballs.

The Ghost of Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 19:46

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I don’t want to wish anyone ill, but that doesn’t mean we can’t use their own words to mock them

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 20:17

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The “text BLESS to 8484847” literally makes me want to punch some one. 

just-a-scratch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/04/2020 at 20:17

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Michael Che said something similar on SNL. I agree with the sentiment, so I'm using it.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 20:24

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My theory is that he’s faking. Either to get sympathy, or to show how how the virus is no big deal. Like “look I didn’t die, neither will you!”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > just-a-scratch 10/04/2020 at 20:28

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It’s perfect, really. Sums it up very nicely without being hateful.

fintail > Nick Has an Exocet 10/04/2020 at 20:44

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Thanks.

I’m very into observing sources not based in the US, if not this continent. I see to find less bias from BBC, CBC, and even Deutsche Welle or Al-Jazeera than almost anything domestic.  Something like Reuters also seems to not lean in specific directions very often.

I can’t see quotes without sarcasm.

HammerheadFistpunch > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/04/2020 at 20:44

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I don’t think so, the people he was tested among all have symptoms.  

Svend > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 20:48

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Well. Looks like the idiot has recovered.

Shit, I mean , yay, glad he’s, urghhhhhh!!!

It’s already t witting about Biden.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 20:50

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Its pretty hard to have any empathy for someone, who knew they were exposed to a covid possible person, and then went to a fundraiser . https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/10/joe-piscopo-was-at-trumps-nj-fundraiser-and-says-hes-shocked-president-tested-positive-for-covid-19.html

boredalways > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 20:51

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“ Seriously though we should wish this human well as we should all humans.”

When has wishing a racist, facist human well did any good for our country or the world?

HammerheadFistpunch > boredalways 10/04/2020 at 20:54

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It does good for the wisher.

SiennaMan > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/04/2020 at 20:55

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I think it’s slightly more chaotic than that. Normally the crew has the bosses opinion to defer to, at the moment everyone is making it up as they go along.

Also, their actions kind of lend themselves to both impressions. Case in point, Trump took an experimental treatment that early evidence suggests lowers the viral load. Was this because it’s such a serious case that they had to risk giving the POTUS an experimental treatment , or was it’s Trump saying “I heard about this treatment, I should take it.”?

Both seem plausible.

boredalways > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 21:02

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Fine, this "human" has been added to the list. In last place. There are at least 7 billion humans ahead.

SiennaMan > fintail 10/04/2020 at 21:03

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It is increasingly difficult to find US domestic sources that don’t have a significant bent to them. I do prefer checking stories against international sources, though laziness means that I often don't get further than the BBC..

HammerheadFistpunch > boredalways 10/04/2020 at 21:29

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Im okay with this.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > HammerheadFistpunch 10/04/2020 at 21:35

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Ol’ G eneral Bone S purs, he once fought a doorman and lost. 

BigBlock440 > fintail 10/04/2020 at 22:10

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When someone broad-brushes the media as all having an ulterior motive, they need to let us know where we can find a news source as free from bias as possible.

You seem to be under the impression that their is an unbiased source.

Nick Has an Exocet > fintail 10/04/2020 at 22:14

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I think it’s important to still consume US news. While US news always (except probably C-SPAN) has a left/right slant, non-US news has a slant that’s respective of their own politics. It’s important to catch that influence - especially when that slant may come from the CCP. 

fintail > BigBlock440 10/04/2020 at 22:40

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I believe there are sources with far less bias than the big names, but these sources almost certainly aren’t from the US.

fintail > Nick Has an Exocet 10/04/2020 at 22:43

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I’ll take news from China right along with Breitbart or Occupy Democrats (or FOX for that matter, which is even organized as entertainment rather than news, sadly, there’s a cult who takes it as gospel). Same for anything coming out of Russia, which may not take a direct American political slant, but could exist just to sow confusion and discord.

US News is where I try for local sources, but those can be interesting too - the local Sinclai r station has no shame showing its direction.

Nick Has an Exocet > fintail 10/05/2020 at 00:20

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You would be surprised how much news is influenced by China. Even the NYT is susceptible .

duurtlang > HammerheadFistpunch 10/05/2020 at 04:10

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#thoughts and prayers

mhr555 > Textured Soy Protein 10/05/2020 at 06:19

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The  individual in that truck looks healthier than the real one.

Long_Voyager94 > fintail 10/05/2020 at 06:55

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I generally choose to dig and research for myself and leave media out of it completely.

If media has to be brought in, I ensure I look at both sides, local, and articles from other countries.

Long_Voyager94 > Taylor Martin 10/05/2020 at 06:56

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Imagine hating an entire group of people just because they don’t support a president you agree with...........

Taylor Martin > Long_Voyager94 10/05/2020 at 09:44

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Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but that’s a double edged sword my friend. A large porting of Trump lovers enjoy stomping on liberals and dems too.

Sure, one could say not every Republican hates Democrats, and not every Democrat hates Republicans, but with everything in the world being polarized and the general mentality being “I’m right you’re wrong” it’s hard to think about the shades of grey in black and white society .

Long_Voyager94 > Taylor Martin 10/05/2020 at 10:04

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Oh no, I was 100% serious.

Far too many people these days condemn others due to having a different view, then want to call the others for being like Nazis.

I know very well my standpoint on President is unlike most on here, but I base my standpoint on what has been done and how it’s affected my family. Where things stand currently, I will support Trump this election. My work is booming, our insurance is getting better, and I’m able to support and enjoy things unlike previous years. All that ties directly back to Trump’s actions.

Do I like him personally, no. Has he done well for me and my family, yes. Does that make my view wrong, no.

This is where the problem lies with people. You don’t know everyone’s situation, yet you judge their whole life based on their Presidential leanings. It’s just wrong.

I won’t harbor dislike or hatred for anyone because their politics don’t agree with mine, but when you judge me based on where I stand, I have issue.

Taylor Martin > Long_Voyager94 10/05/2020 at 10:43

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I can respect you for being moral and rational , but it really doesn’t change the fact that Trump is neither of those things.

I’m going to take a guess you’re a fortunate, middle class guy. All of the benefits your family is getting are fantastic, but they’re being stripped away from people who need them so much more. The system benefits well off white guys, and while I’m not working, I come from a well off white family, and my parents tell me that their bills have gone down during his term. Hurray for us, but it sucks for so many others.

My dad summed it up to me in terms of this upcoming election. It’ll be more expensive to vote Biden, but we do it because it isn’t just benefitting me, as a white guy, with parents who live well within their means. It benefits everyone, including those stuck in lower class neighborhoods, as well as future generations who’d simply like a planet to live on.

In the last election, a lot of Trump voters wanted to vote a person, not a politician, which I can agree with. B ut the person selected isn’t exactly a great guy, having cheated his way to the top and living off daddy’s money. This time it’s not a matter of politics either, at least not for me, it’s a matter of not supporting a bully. Someone who dodges problems and shifts the blame unto others , someone who cares so little about anyone but himself , someone who puts other people down for the silliest things (mocking people for wearing a mask, which is both a law and an act of decency for others, is just flat out rude).

I can’t understand how you support him, and I don’t think I ever will, but you’re right: everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, and who they elect President they support doesn’t sum their whole life. But it is a conscious choice, and choices can link to   character.

Long_Voyager94 > Taylor Martin 10/05/2020 at 12:16

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I’m going to take a guess you’re a fortunate, middle class guy. All of the benefits your family is getting are fantastic, but they’re being stripped away from people who need them so much more. The system benefits well off white guys, and while I’m not working, I come from a well off white family, and my parents tell me that their bills have gone down during his term. Hurray for us, but it sucks for so many others.

False. I come from a lower middle class family. IMO I have had nothing “fortunate” in my life. We’ve always been 1 step below living life well and 1 step above getting govt aid to better ourselves. The only benefit we get are those put in by hard work and perseverance. There’s been plenty of times we could have just quit working and lived a better life off of the govt.

Our health insurance tanked thanks to Obamacare’s “health care for all”. It’s been creeping back to tolerable since Trump eliminated the requirement and insurance companies have to compete in some form again. We are some of those “stuck in lower class neighborhood’s” people, let me tell you, what these people “think” is helping everyone ( who’s shoes they’ve never filled ) isn’t. It’s making those already living off the govt able to live even better and those of us struggling to keep afloat sink even further. This digs into numerous things that side wants to push, all of which just hurt the working class to further those who don’t. I agree, not everyone gets a fair shake at life, that doesn’t mean sit around feeling sorry for yourself collecting govt aid.

I lived through 8 years of Obama with Biden at his back, every day deciding whether we were paying the rent or putting food on the table. I’m sorry if I don’t want to go back to that kind of “help” again. If that makes my character flawed, so be it.

DipodomysDeserti > Svend 10/05/2020 at 12:19

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Of the half a  dozen or so people I know of that have gotten it, this has been their take away, but they were all youngish, in good shape, and did not have to be hospitalized.

DipodomysDeserti > Textured Soy Protein 10/05/2020 at 12:24

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Keep in mind that the Secret Service has been staffed by morons for quite a while. Remember when Obama’s entourage got in a fight with prostitutes in Colombia after trying to stiff them?  Good times.

gettingoldercarguy > fintail 10/05/2020 at 13:54

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Axios is really good I think

fintail > Nick Has an Exocet 10/06/2020 at 01:55

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Seeing that CCP cronies can effectively buy residency, nothing surprises me anymore.

fintail > Long_Voyager94 10/06/2020 at 01:55

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That can work for some things, socio-economic topics among them.  Others though, that could be tough.

fintail > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2020 at 02:00

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Or at least not so bad if you have more resources to devote fighting it than virtually anyone else on the planet.

I suspect the typical unhealthy septuagenarian would fare worse.

Long_Voyager94 > fintail 10/06/2020 at 06:57

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Yes and no. I find it far easier to research topics, follow the numbers, and make an informed decision than to try to sift through the media’s BS.

HammerheadFistpunch > fintail 10/06/2020 at 09:57

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1 00%

fintail > Long_Voyager94 10/06/2020 at 13:04

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It can be tough to find legit verifiable numbers, I mean, entire teams of people work as fact-checkers.

For instance, I wouldn’t take covid data from China, Russia, Florida, et al with an ounce of credibility.

Long_Voyager94 > fintail 10/06/2020 at 16:03

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It’s not like ours can be taken with an ounce of credibility either........

Frankly anything coming from “fact checkers” I pretty much throw away as in most cases they question statements directly from experts in the field. Fact checkers IMO are nothing more than paid off people used to get things to happen as others see fit.

Does it sound conspiracy, likely, but when “fact checkers” take down articles directly from the very experts we’re supposed to be listening to, I have questions.

fintail > Long_Voyager94 10/06/2020 at 16:25

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Not bad points at all. However, I don’t see a direct correlation between being a fact checker and being paid off. Calling someone out on lies doesn’t necessarily mean there’s bias.

I also look at “experts” for their credentials, and if appointed, who appointed them, along with if their appointment coincides with a political regime gaining power. Plenty of “experts” in recent times who have been given such titles due to connections or because they’ll play along with a desired narrative.

Long_Voyager94 > fintail 10/06/2020 at 16:32

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Likewise, calling out the scientists following something like Covid who’ve been researching and studying constantly because the “fact checker’s” scientists decide they disagree with no alternate research to back it up, 100% bias.

While I agree, many “experts” we’re following these days are just people paid to make the data say what they want. Then again, those don’t tend to be the people being “fact checked”.

fintail > Long_Voyager94 10/06/2020 at 17:49

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I hope these aren’t the “frontline” doctors/scientists  beloved by a certain conman who have been linked to nutjob-ness.

When it comes to covid, I can look at what some more developed nations are doing, and maybe come to some conclusions about what Murka is doing wrong, too.

Long_Voyager94 > fintail 10/07/2020 at 06:44

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Oh god no.