Boeing 777X First Flight: Featuring an Airbus Helicopter

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle) 01/24/2020 at 13:52 • Filed to: Boeing 777X, Boeing 777, Boeing, 777, 777X, Airbus, Helicopters, Helicoptersitelock, Helilopnik, Planelopnik, Aviation

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ttyymmnn > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 14:01

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Irony is a difficult word to define, but you know it when you see it.

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 14:02

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Another typically bright, cheerful day in Everett.

Nibby > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 14:05

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i flew virgin atlantic once. now it’s just called atlantic

Ash78, voting early and often > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 14:10

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Le Trollocoptre

For Sweden > Nibby 01/24/2020 at 14:11

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he lied about being a virgin

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 14:13

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It’s a metaphor.

7:07 > Nibby 01/24/2020 at 14:15

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Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 14:25

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Pussies.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Nibby 01/24/2020 at 14:26

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For having the name Virgin in their title they were a pretty spicy airline. 

boredalways > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 14:33

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You beat me to it!

ttyymmnn > boredalways 01/24/2020 at 14:41

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If they wait too long, they’ll have to scrap the whole design and start over again.

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/24/2020 at 14:54

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I have no idea what their parameters are, but they’ve been sitting there while all sorts of other local traffic is coming and going. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 14:58

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A dry runway would be nice in case they have to abort the take off and need to hit the brakes. Winds appear to be reasonable but they get nasty side winds in S eattle. T hey are flying a new plane over a dense urban area for the first time. Better be safe than sorry.

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/24/2020 at 15:01

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I’m certainly not in disagreement. You were the one who called them pussies. ;)

Looks like a bit of a clear patch over Everett right now. Downright sunny.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 15:41

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Is this also an inherently aerodynamically unbalanced design like the 737MAX?

For Sweden > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 01/24/2020 at 15:43

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No, it is a good spinny boi

ttyymmnn > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 01/24/2020 at 15:51

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I don’t believe the MAX is “inherently aerodynamically unbalanced,” at least not in the way that a FBW fighter aircraft is unbalanced to make it more maneuverable (called “relaxed stability”). MCAS was only added to the MAX to make it behave identically to the previous generation of 737 so it could be certified with the same type certificate. T he MAX can fly just fine with MCAS turned off. The problem (or at least one of the problems)  was that pilots never knew it was there, so they didn’t know what to do when it went haywire.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 16:06

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Thanks for the details and nuances!  Got to try to remember this correctly.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 16:07

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If the sun came out, would people there know what to do with themselves?

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 16:32

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Looks like the chopper gave up and went home. At least the tower is finally talking about the 777 taxiing soon. Maybe. 

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 16:33

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Taxing back to the hangar #heyo

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 01/24/2020 at 16:34

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Yeah. Maybe tomorrow. Any idea why the flight profile requires them to take off to the north? Fly out over the water and not built up areas?

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 16:36

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I’m assuming so

AlfaCorse > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 17:00

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737 MAX can’t meet Part 25 standards without MCAS, that is the main purpose of MCAS. It does also allow the MAX to behave like the 737NG, but that is not the main purpose of MCAS.  Of course that is what Boeing emphasized because it sounds better.

AlfaCorse > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 01/24/2020 at 17:12

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737 MAX can’t meet Part 25 standards without MCAS, that is the main purpose of MCAS. It does also allow the MAX to behave like the 737NG, but that is not the main purpose of MCAS. Of course that is what Boeing emphasized because it sounds better.

facw > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 19:39

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The MAX did have problems with stalling IIRC, which led to an expansion of MCAS to automatically correct for that.

facw > ttyymmnn 01/24/2020 at 19:44

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Apparently the new CEO told them to scrap the current 797 and go back to clean sheet there, which is probably not what investors wanted to hear (but it must have been extremely bad to get to place. Given that they’ve had that hole in their lineup for so long, and given that this is an additional you wonder when a stopgap based on the KC-46 (slightly modernized shorty -200 with -300 wings) and some modern engines could be desirable (they could even turn around and pitch the engine upgrades to the A ir F orce if they ever fix the rest of it). They certainly have some excess capacity on the 767 line.

ttyymmnn > facw 01/24/2020 at 20:37

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A Boeing spokesman said Calhoun had ordered up a new study on what kind of aircraft was needed. New aircraft typically take 6-7 years or more to bring to market once a decision is made, though Boeing aims to shorten that in part through digital technology and new business models designed around the NMA.

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But most of the effort revolved around a new production system designed not only to support the NMA but to lay the groundwork for the next single-aisle aircraft after the 737 MAX. ( Reuters )

I had wanted to post something about that decision, but never got around to it. It seems to me, and I could be entirely wrong, that Boeing is going down the same road of getting things done quickly without getting them done right. I watched a video the other day where Boeing was proudly touting their new moving assembly line. One worker had to keep moving forward on his knees to do his job as the plane crept forward. Sure, that helps churn out a few more airframes a month, but at what cost? My take on this article is that they are trying to do two things at once, rather than do one thing very well. I would never want to be in the position of betting billions of dollars on a fickle market. But at some point, Boeing is going to have to shit or get off the pot, as my grandfather would say.

Jayhawk Jake > ttyymmnn 01/25/2020 at 08:55

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Very likely. At Cessna when we have a first flight we typically go south to go over fields instead of the city.

ttyymmnn > Jayhawk Jake 01/25/2020 at 09:20

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I read another article last night where Boeing said they wanted to go north so they wouldn’t disrupt the normal traffic at Paine. I’m not really buying that.