The Most Base Renegade

"punkgoose17" (punkgoose17) 01/08/2020 at 19:05 • Filed to: Jeep, Renegade, Jeep Renegade

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I was configuring a Renegade and found the manual transmission is gone for the U.S. market. No trims have it available. I would want a base fwd model with the no longer available manual transmission.

I was trying to pick not blue, but this blue is really nice.

dogisbadob > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 19:15

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cool color

you can also get it in orange :o)

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 19:16

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I’ve always wanted to give an awd manual one of these a test drive. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 19:18

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My friend has an absolute base model 2014 Patriot and it’s confusingly charming. No power windows, no power locks, 5 speed manual, gutless 4 cyclinder, and laughable build quality all wrapped up in a tiny package. I’d take it over a Versa any day.

I'm not sure how much better the Renegade is but pretty much anything would have to be better.

19JRC99 > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 19:22

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I really don’t like the Renegades honestly. I’ve driven a few and just can’t stand them. I don’t mean to be a dick, just giving my opinion on them. 

punkgoose17 > dogisbadob 01/08/2020 at 19:22

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The orange is my 2nd choice!

Takuro Spirit > 19JRC99 01/08/2020 at 19:26

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I liked them until I drove one. I don’t like feeling like I’m driving from the backseat.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 19:30

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Get the Compass instead.

It’s bigger, still has the manual as an option, costs less, still looks good.

19JRC99 > Takuro Spirit 01/08/2020 at 19:32

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I just don’t like anything about them. Too cramped for my fat ass, no low end torque, I think the interiors are poor quality, just on and on. I hate to be negative, but it’s how I feel. 

punkgoose17 > 19JRC99 01/08/2020 at 19:48

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I have no familiarity with them. I have not even sat in one at a car show.

punkgoose17 > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 01/08/2020 at 19:49

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I did not know this. I am configuring one now.

19JRC99 > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 19:56

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Hell, you may end up loving it if you try it. Nothing wrong with that. I just personally don’t like them. 

punkgoose17 > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 01/08/2020 at 19:58

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My brother almost bought a Patriot configured like that. My dad and I talked him out of it.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 20:06

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I dig that color.  Can’t say I’ve seen that color in person

punkgoose17 > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/08/2020 at 20:16

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I don’t think I have seen one this color either. That is why I picked it over the orange.

Victorinoo > 19JRC99 01/08/2020 at 20:22

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I have not driven one but I have driven a fiat panda on which it’s based. The car felt like it was about to fall apart at any moment and the manual transmission sounded like it had bad bearings even though it was a relatively new rental.

i86hotdogs > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 20:41

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Super sad when they dropped the stick. Loved driving mine. 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Victorinoo 01/08/2020 at 21:10

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I don't want to be accused of defending a Renegade, but rental cars are abused so maybe it was worse for wear even with low miles?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 22:10

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Thats almost certainly for the better, since I’m sure the novelty would have worn off and you’d be left with a hard to sell vehicle  with almost no resale value.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > punkgoose17 01/08/2020 at 22:15

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Saw that color in person the other day.  Can confirm it looks very nice.

Milky > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/08/2020 at 23:30

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It works IRL

sn4cktimes > 19JRC99 01/09/2020 at 00:25

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Wife and I tried one. Neither of us liked it. We rented a Suzuki Jimny in Iceland. We s uper loved it. Jimny > Renegade. I can see the Renegade’s appeal, just sitting in the driver’s seat killed it for me.

Jason Wooding > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 01/09/2020 at 00:40

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I own one and they are actually not gutless its the delay in the live by wire throttle.  If you were in mine it would throw you back in the seat. And mine is the manual 1.4 turbo 4wd

Jason Wooding > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 01/09/2020 at 00:42

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I drove one and my 1.4 turbo with the same transmission will hands down crush a 2.4 manual in a compass . Mainly because there is a hugh aftermarket support for the 1.4 turbo being it comes from a 500 abarth.

Jason Wooding > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle 01/09/2020 at 00:45

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I own one.  And like all modern vehicles they suffer from throttle delay. Once you add a throttle enhancer they are a blast to drive 

Jason Wooding > 19JRC99 01/09/2020 at 00:49

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Well I’m not sure how they are cramped to sit in. They are larger than a 90s grand Cherokee and have as much space leg space as a jku. I know because my family has a jku and have done plent of long trips in them. People today always make the claim its too small till they see it parked next to a 20 year old full sized suv and realize its actually bigger . Dont be fooled all vehicles today are larger than pervious generation of vehicles.  Its all in your head lol. And yes my renegade is actually roomer than a 4 door wrangler. 

Jason Wooding > punkgoose17 01/09/2020 at 01:00

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2015 1.4 turbo 6 speed manual 4x4. Work done.

D eyeme race firm motor mount. 1.5" lift short shift throw shift linkage. Bluespark ecu, go pedal, deleted exhaust to 2.5" straight pipe exhaust. Custom built snorkel, forge motorsports wastegate, gfb blowoff valve. 29.5" kenda meat klever mud terrain tires. Valkyrie offroad skid plate. I built it and it moves. And has plenty of room for my family. And sounds like a mini Ferrari to boot.

People claim they are gutless. They arenot its the delay in the throttle. Live by wire in most vehicles today have input lag. Throttle enhancers cure this problem.

Clunker Connoisseur - In Lucas we (don't) trust > punkgoose17 01/09/2020 at 02:32

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Is the manual still available in the 500X? That’s what I would go for over a renegade since they’re the same car underneath, but dealers can’t move Fiats, so you can get a top-trim one for less than a low-spec Renegade

Thir-STi > punkgoose17 01/09/2020 at 10:36

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Bikini Pearl! this will be the color of my next wrangler...if i get one.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Jason Wooding 01/09/2020 at 11:20

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First thing of note... the new models have moved to a new 1.3L Multiair 3 turbo 4 cyl. Read about it here:

https://moparinsiders.com/the-jeep-renegades-new-1-3-liter-turbo-for-2019/

Bu t y eah...the 1.3L turbo is a newer/better engine, but you’re also paying a price premium. That Compass I posted about with the nice colour and the optional nicer wheels ... in Canada that’s around $28 ,000 plus shipping and tax.

The Renegade STARTS at around $27,000 BEFORE any options like the nicer wheels... and that’s with the same 2.4L engine (with the 9 speed auto). You have to pay extra for that 1.3 L turbo. After adding the wheels and the 1.3 L, it’s a $32,000 vehicle.

And is the 1.3 L turbo/automatic Renegade really $4000 better than a manual/2.4L Compass?

For me, I would go with the Compass.

Sure the 2.4L might not be as good as the fairly new 1.3 L turbo (mainly due to better low end torque... the 1.3 L actually has 1hp less in North American tune ) , but it still produces 180HP. And given that the Compass weighs around 3184 lbs, that puts it at just under 18hp/lb.

By comparison, my Fit is around 22hp/lb.

I consider my Fit to be ‘acceptable’ in terms of power. The Compass is better in this regard than my Fit.

So at the very least, the base/manual Compass is also acceptable in terms of power for day to day use. According to this site:

The manual/4x4/2.4L Compass (which weighs 143lbs more) does 0-60 in 8.4 seconds and has a sub 17 second quarter mile. The FWD one will likely be a bit faster due to less weight.

punkgoose17 > Clunker Connoisseur - In Lucas we (don't) trust 01/09/2020 at 13:46

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Looking online I think 2018 was the last model year the Fiat 500X had the manual option.

Jim Spanfeller > Clunker Connoisseur - In Lucas we (don't) trust 01/09/2020 at 16:28

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Is there a lot of aftermarket support for the Renegade? If so, I wonder if you could use a lot of those parts on a 500X. That’d be an interesting vehicle to go off-roading in.

Moltenburn > punkgoose17 01/09/2020 at 17:26

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Had a 2016 Latitude 1.4L manual 4x4. Was a wonderful trucklet. Well 4 years later bought a 2019 Trailhawk with 1.3L and 9spd auto.

I cant speak for older models, but the newer turbo drive train is a dream. Decent grunt from a micro engine. 9 spd shifts splendidly.

I was a fan of FCA Renegade before, well now it is 4 years into production and it is a wonderful Colorado vehicle. Add fact I got $9900 off Msrp with barely any haggling. So pretty much love it now. Slate Blue too boot. 

Clunker Connoisseur - In Lucas we (don't) trust > Jim Spanfeller 01/09/2020 at 17:50

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Last I checked, there’s an oddly healthy aftermarket for the renegade. I’d imagine everything would fit , considering they’re on the same platform and whatnot. And like I said, you can get 500X’s for dirt cheap compared to a Renegade

Captain Commando > punkgoose17 01/10/2020 at 00:37

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I have an orange 2017 4wd Renegade with the 1.4l turbo engine and the manual transmission. It i s a blast to drive. There is a big aftermarket for the engine so it is easy to get more horsepower.

I bet you can find a manual one from last year sitting on some dealers lot. Or get a used one. An alternative would be a Compass, which is the same platform but with the 2.4lt engine. They are a bit bigger and nicer equiped than the Renegade but also fun .

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Clunker Connoisseur - In Lucas we (don't) trust 01/10/2020 at 19:24

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IIRC it was only ever available on the base 500X.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > 19JRC99 01/10/2020 at 19:27

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I never got a chance to drive the turbo but I test drove a 2.4/Auto when they first came out because I liked it on paper... really disappointing - way too much NVH. I might have been OK with it if there were a big discount but (at that point) they weren’t letting any go for less than like $22 k which was more than the Mazda dealer next door was selling CX-5s for.  I walked out so fast.