"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
09/22/2019 at 21:30 • Filed to: uaw, GM Authority
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"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
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WTF?
dogisbadob
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/22/2019 at 21:34 |
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This is why people like Bernie Sanders so much despite being almost 80
facw
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/22/2019 at 22:00 |
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So I see a bunch of sources saying the average heart transplant cost in the US is around $1.4M. A few caveats with that though:
That seems to be the average amount billed, which presumably is mostly at the insurer negotiated rate. If you don’t have an insurer, then you’ll be billed a vastly larger sum (though the hospital or their collection agency will probably settle for a lower (but still high) amount.
One thing said that $1.4M cost didn’t include the cost of acquiring the organ, I don’t know where that comes in on the billing.
It probably doesn’t account for follow up care, physical/occupational therapy or other related things.
I’m not sure if covers a lifetime of immuno- suppressants and other post transplant drugs.
In any event, the US healthcare system sucks. And take note workers who don’t want to lose their fancy private insurance to have it replaced with a single-payer system, as long as the system is based around emplo yer provided healthcare, there are a whole bunch reasons you can have your care dropped or changed. A universal healthcare entitlement program is the way to make sure access is stable.
WRXforScience
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/22/2019 at 22:04 |
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If you make an average of $60k (median US salary) for 50 years, you end up making $3 million. That means a heart transplant costs 2 lifetimes worth of money and only half of transplant patients are alive after 11 years.
Doesn’t seem like heart transplants are worth the cost from a societal viewpoint.
Bandit
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/22/2019 at 22:11 |
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Why on earth was he chasing after a van that was trying to go about its own business and clearly didn’t care about a picket line? Where’s the common sense in that? It’s impressive he’s already had 11 heart attacks and is in that good of shape
Also the UAW have health coverage now paid out of their strike fund, this was all predefined years ago in the previous GM-UAW contracts. Nobody should have been surprised that there was a handoff of pay and benefits when they ceased to work for GM...
DipodomysDeserti
> WRXforScience
09/23/2019 at 01:59 |
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It’d be much more efficient to just eat better.
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DipodomysDeserti
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/23/2019 at 02:02 |
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Eleven heart attacks? Holy shit. Might as well just keep the one he’s got. Seems to be pretty durable.
Svend
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/23/2019 at 02:16 |
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That’s a lot of money.
Here in the U.K., not so high.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-115715/Me-operation-heart-transplant.html
A course on the heart-assist device, while awaiting a transplant, costs about £100,000. The transplant operation costs about £40,000 which includes a hospital stay of about two weeks and immuno suppressive drugs.
So, transplant, two weeks in hospital and drugs. £40,000.
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/how-much-costs-nhs-perform-14462706
Hernias (abdominal) – £1,190 to £4,360.
Hip replacement (very major hip procedures for non-trauma) – £1,342 to £10,741.
Knee replacement - £5,591 to £8,325.
Gall bladder removal (major open bladder procedures or reconstruction) - £3,601 to £5,160.
Tonsilectomies - £982 to £1,100 (treated as a day case).
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The most expensive surgery that the NHS does is “very complex intracranial procedures, 18 years and under, with CC Score 12+” (brain surgery on children) £40,936. For adults this procedure is £22,469.
Bilateral cochlear implants are the next most expensive, costing £37,904.
And complex instrumented correction of spinal deformity, 19 years and over, with CC Score 7+ is third at £35,106.
Single limb amputation (complex/easier) - £19,751/£5,776
Vasectomy - £536.
Colonoscopy with biopsy - £469 (diagnostic colonoscopy for over 19s is £406).
Scrotum, testis or vas deferens disorders, with interventions - £1,863 to £2,736.
Heart surgery (very complex) - £22,934.
Cardiac arrest (heart attack - complex) - £3,584.
Getting something out of your lungs (inhalation, lung injury or foreign body, with multiple interventions, with CC Score 10+) - £10,870.
Infections of bones or joints (complex) - £4,229.
Makes you wonder where the U.S. gets it’s numbers from.
U.S. = $6,000,000
U.K. = £40,000
jimz
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/23/2019 at 05:00 |
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Because in the United States, you only have a right to life before you’re born. After that you can go to hell.
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facw
> Svend
09/23/2019 at 08:52 |
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Yeah it’s not great... Some of it is that you have insurance, you’ll get a lower negotiated price, people paying list price probably won’t be able to pay it all, so they list something obscene to give them more leverage. But the system is definitely broken.
Here are the most expensive procedures at Mass General (a good hospital here in the Boston area), though many things are just listed as “individual consideration”, and of course many thing will have multiple billing lines:
You’ll also note that this isn’t user friendly at all (the law that requires hospitals to post their prices is relatively new, and only requires them to be posted in a machine readable form)
ttyymmnn
> jimz
09/23/2019 at 09:34 |
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The problem with health care in America is that the laws are being written by people who can afford to live without it.
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ttyymmnn
> pip bip - choose Corrour
09/23/2019 at 09:38 |
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In America, healthcare never really costs what they say it will. In many cases, hospitals charge enormous sums of money knowing that the insurance will only pay part of it. The rest often just gets written off. So that $6M figure is probably a bullshit number. Which is not to say it wouldn’t be expensive.
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jimz
> ttyymmnn
09/23/2019 at 09:39 |
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we’re both right.
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Svend
> facw
09/23/2019 at 10:26 |
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Those prices are just obscene.
The’Kit Tandem Heart T3' is $ 56,250 (£45,303), that’s about the same as the whole heart transplant and two weeks after care*.
*after the after care you can transitioned to a half way care home to ease you back into regular life and how to take care of yourself.
I couldn’t imagine coming out of heart surgery and seeing the price of the care I had, it’d put me right back in the ruddy hospital.
For reference. The U.K. did 151 heart transplants the other years, each costing £40,000, comes to £6,040,000, That’s $7,506,600, for 151 operations.
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facw
> Svend
09/23/2019 at 10:29 |
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There’s a reason we pay more than twice as much per capita as most developed nations for healthcare, and it isn’t because our care is super great (though the US usually does rank well in terms of cardiac care for what that’s worth).