"atfsgeoff" (atfsgeoff)
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"atfsgeoff" (atfsgeoff)
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1. Pedalcycle:
“A vehicle propelled solely by human-powered pedals or a pedalcycle with electric assist. The term does not mean a three-wheeled human-powered pedal-driven vehicle with a main driving wheel 20 inches in diameter or under and primarily designed for children six years of age or younger.”
2. Pedalcycle with electric assist:
“A vehicle weighing not more than 100 pounds with two or three wheels more than 11 inches in diameter, manufactured or assembled with an electric motor system rated at not more than 750 watts and equipped with operable pedals and capable of a speed not more than 20 miles per hour on a level surface when powered by the motor source only. The term does not include a device specifically designed for use by persons with disabilities.”
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“A motor-driven cycle equipped with operable pedals, a motor rated no more than 1.5 brake horsepower, a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cubic centimeters, an automatic transmission, and a maximum design speed of no more than 25 miles per hour or an electric motor-driven cycle equipped with operable pedals and an automatic transmission powered by an electric battery or battery pack-powered electric motor with a maximum design speed of no more than 25 miles per hour.”
4. Motor-driven cycle:
“A motorcycle, including a motor scooter, with a motor which produces not to exceed five brake horsepower.”
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“ A motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and:
(1) designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground; or
(2) designed to travel on two wheels in contact with the ground which is modified by the addition of two stabilizing wheels on the rear of the motor vehicle.
The term includes an autocycle.”
6. Autocycle:
“ A three-wheeled motorcycle that has a steering wheel and seating that does not require the operator to straddle or sit astride.”
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Personal observation: I’m not su
re that any vehicle actually exists which fits PA’s definition of motorized pedalcycle. Just about any mass-produced bicycle gas motor kit is capable of exceeding 25 mph, as is any factory-built moped. The only practical difference between a motorized pedalcycle and a motor-driven cycle, is the existence of manual pedals.
Oh, and PA does not require a license, registration or insurance for pedalcycles and pedalcycles with electric assist (e-bikes). PA does require a class C (car) drivers license, registration and insurance for motorized pedalcycles and motor-driven cycles. For some strange reason, motorized pedalcycles get their own special “moped” registration plates, but motor-driven cycles get standard motorcycle plates.
BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
> atfsgeoff
09/12/2019 at 22:08 |
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To answer your question, a motorized pedacycle does exist, though not common in the northeast. In the Southwest, where DUIs are more common and thus more people lose their license, bikes with tiny two-stroke motors (basically weed trimmer motors) are common. I think I even saw them on skateboards. Idk if they’re mass produced, though, or all home built.
Chuckles
> atfsgeoff
09/12/2019 at 22:08 |
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In my search for a scooter here in PA, I’m amazed at the variety of responses about what people think you need if you have a 50cc scooter. Some say "no motorcycle license required, it's only 50cc!" While someone else with the same scooter says "you need a motorcycle license and insurance because it goes over 25mph."
For Sweden
> atfsgeoff
09/12/2019 at 22:08 |
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No unicycles no deal
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atfsgeoff
> Chuckles
09/12/2019 at 22:12 |
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PennDOT has a fact sheet specifically addressing licensing requirements:
https://www.dot.state.pa.us/Public/DVSPubsForms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-momo.pdf
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atfsgeoff
> For Sweden
09/12/2019 at 22:12 |
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Unicycles are covered under the definition of pedalcycle!
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For Sweden
> atfsgeoff
09/12/2019 at 22:15 |
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I don’t trust a jury to agree with that
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atfsgeoff
> BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
09/12/2019 at 22:20 |
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Yeah, there are a few states that allow 49cc scooters to be driven without a license, registration or insurance as well. I see them all the time when I’m in North Carolina visiting my parents.
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atfsgeoff
> For Sweden
09/12/2019 at 22:21 |
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I would love to see the circumstances of a criminal trial which hinges upon a jury’s acceptance of a unicycle being considered a pedalcycle
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Chuckles
> atfsgeoff
09/12/2019 at 22:21 |
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I've seen that sheet before, but I think that a lot of people selling scooters on Craigslist have not.
Chariotoflove
> atfsgeoff
09/12/2019 at 23:58 |
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Wonder what I would be listed as.
bhtooefr
> atfsgeoff
09/13/2019 at 00:38 |
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Stuff that meets your “motorized pedalcycle” definition definitely exists. There’s factory mopeds restricted as low as 20 MPH in the US (Ohio’s “motorized bicycle” class is 20 MPH limit, and there is a long list of models certified to it), and as low as 25 km/h (15.5 MPH) in Europe.
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atfsgeoff
> bhtooefr
09/13/2019 at 02:32 |
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Do you have a link to any of them?
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BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
> atfsgeoff
09/13/2019 at 07:15 |
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In the US most are custom job, I think:
https://www.amazon.com/Sange-Stroke-Bicycle-Conversion-Motorized/dp/B07HF714SN
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bhtooefr
> atfsgeoff
09/13/2019 at 07:17 |
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https://bmv.ohio.gov/links/bmv_Approved-Moped-Models.pdf
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atfsgeoff
> bhtooefr
09/13/2019 at 10:55 |
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Fascinating, thanks.
It also appears that Ohio makes no distinction between mopeds and e-bikes, but because e-bikes are not on the approved moped
list, they are generally illegal to ride on the road (even if they are electronically restricted to 20mph and have less than 750W output)
; they will not issue a plate for one.
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bhtooefr
> atfsgeoff
09/13/2019 at 20:30 |
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So there actually is one brand of e-bikes on the approved moped list, and it would be possible to, as an e-bike manufacturer, file paperwork certifying your e-bike as a moped (the biggest hurdles are that you need lights (normal, but sometimes optional, for e-bikes), turn signals (not so normal), and 1.75" wide tires, and you can’t make a tadpole recumbent trike for a few reasons).
However, as of last year, that’s no longer necessary, all three classes of the People for Bikes California model legislation are legal in Ohio, with Class 1 and 2 treated fully as bicycles (Class 3 can’t use separated bicycle infrastructure, only bike lanes on roads, and roads themselves).
(Looks like Pennsylvania is using the more permissive Federal definition of an e-bike. The three class structure has Class 1 as pedal assist up to 20 MPH, Class 2 as throttle up to 20 MPH, Class 3 as pedal assist up to 28 MPH. Note that a Class 2+3 (that is, throttle up to 20, pedal assist up to 28) doesn’t exist, even though it’d b e completely legal under Federal law, and in fact you could even have throttle up to 20, pedal assist up to infinite speed under Federal and Pennsylvania law - a velomobile, for instance, could probably get up to almost freeway speeds fully legally pedal assisting on 750 watts plus rider input, while weighing under 100 pounds. And, the reason Class 1 and 2 are separated are for off-road trails that want to forbid throttles, and have an easy legal basis to do it under. )
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atfsgeoff
> bhtooefr
09/13/2019 at 20:59 |
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I’m just glad that legislatures are at least trying to keep up with evolving mass produced technology. I have a friend with a suspended license who bought an e-bike to get to work and back, because otherwise he’d have to pay a rideshare service nearly half of his daily wage just to get there and back.