Any oppos running Linux?

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 09/03/2019 at 12:14 • Filed to: None

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I was wondering what version to install, my school uses Ubuntu, so I thought about that one, while a friend of mine has Pop, which is a derivative of Ubuntu.

I thought about Mint as well, but I’m not well versed in the Linux-verse... so I could do with some suggestions.

facw > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:29

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I’m mostly in the Windows world these days, but I used elementary OS some last time I was playing around with Linux and it seemed pretty nice (it’s Ubuntu-based IIRC). Obviously coming from Windows I switched some of the more OS X style things around. Biggest complaint was the stupid “pretend it’s not free” thing on their website (you can set a custom “purchase” price of $0 if you want your free software to actually be free).

I also run Lubuntu on my ancient netbook, and it’s great for that, but also probably not what you are looking for.

Hexadec > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:30

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Mint here representing, it is a great distro that has overtaken Ubuntu for non-Kali related activities. I use it on my server, workstation, and laptops.

BJ > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:32

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I’ve used Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu for the desktop, for the most part they work fine. For servers, our customers tend to use CentOS which is the free OS on which RHEL is based, I think?

Whatever you pick, make sure that you can get all the same packages/ libraries/ tools that your school distro has. Even using a different package manager (yum vs apt, for example) can make life difficult. 

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:34

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I run stock Ubuntu on my laptop (19.04 as of this writing.) I find their re-skin of GNOME to work fine for me. Ubuntu is really the safest option since debian/Ubuntu is consistently one of the main “target” platforms for software applications. Pretty much any .deb (debian/Ubuntu) or .rpm (Red Hat/Fedora) is a safe choice.

the nice thing is that all of the Ubuntu derivatives (Mint, elementary, etc.) are nearly 100% work-alike to Ubuntu under the hood. 

Spanfeller is a twat > facw 09/03/2019 at 12:35

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Ubuntu has the benefit of being very stable, and that I’m more familiar to it... but I don’t like the graphic interface that much.

Spanfeller is a twat > jimz 09/03/2019 at 12:38

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My friend only chose P op because his computer has independent graphics, and it came with the Nvidia drivers from the box... But I’m strongly considering Ubuntu because of the stability and support.

Spanfeller is a twat > BJ 09/03/2019 at 12:39

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My school has an ancient, LTS version of Ubuntu... they’re quite adamant about upgrading the mainframe...

Spanfeller is a twat > Hexadec 09/03/2019 at 12:40

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Well, I’m not into hacking... so that could be an option. Mint is underrepresented in this thread.

Hexadec > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:42

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Indeed, I usually run Kali in VMs on Mint. It is a really nice, lightweight distro that kind of bridges a lot of gaps for me. It has some much nicer tools (like a visual cron function) that makes system management much easier.

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:42

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nvidia is easy, you just run the “additional drivers” program in the Ubuntu app menu and it should find them.

one good thing is that FreeCad runs on Linux; it’s a somewhat-CATIA-workalike.  The CAD engine is different but the interface and operation are somewhat close to CATIA.  So if you know one, you don’t have to shell out a ton of money to Dassault.

UggaDuggaForAll > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:47

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I run Ubuntu on my laptops (well, my ancient laptop is running an older version of Mint) and desktops. My kids have grown up with Ubuntu. Heck, even my computer illiterate wife can use Ubuntu.

I switched to Linux years ago due to Apple totally ignoring OS X/desktops and MS sucking so bad with 8/10. Ubuntu has been very solid with minimal issues (NVIDIA being the biggest problem). Far more reliable than any OS that MS has available (working with 10/2016 at work) and easier to use than many of the other Linux variants I have used.

Big issue with Ubuntu is that it is not a lite-weight OS. If you are using older hardware (my ancient laptop is a Core 2 Duo), then you will want to look at a lite-weight variant like Lubuntu.

Spanfeller is a twat > jimz 09/03/2019 at 12:49

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Something tells me he’s also a bit smug that he’s the only one running Pop as opposed to Mint or Ubuntu.

I’ll check freecad out, but I don’t have high expectations for this computer, and the intel 620 UHD graphics.

Spanfeller is a twat > UggaDuggaForAll 09/03/2019 at 12:51

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Mostly, I’d want to maintain or reduce battery consumption, so maybe Lubuntu would be better...

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:51

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unless you’re dealing with complex models (e.g. an entire car) the 620 should be adequate.  I can manipulate entire systems (interiors etc.) on my laptop with the Intel 630 graphics.  Granted, it’s in TcVis and not directly in CATIA but still...

Spanfeller is a twat > jimz 09/03/2019 at 12:54

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That’s great to know. Thanks!

Thus far I think I’m gonna stick with Ubuntu or a lite version of it.

atfsgeoff > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:56

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I started using Linux full time about 12 years ago, went with Ubuntu. Then when they switched to the garbage Unity interface, moved to Mint, which is based on Ubuntu but with far better GUI options. Very happy with it to this day.

Tekamul > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 12:57

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I use CentOS 7 daily for work . There’s also Puppy running on an old machine that really can’t handle much.

I like CentOS, it walks a good line between supported and free.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 13:02

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Yup! I have a Win10 high-power desktop for gaming and stuff, but my Media Center PC and daily use laptop run Linux Mint 19.2...it’s based on Ubuntu, so everything for Ubuntu works with it pretty much no issue. There are different variants with various Window Managers, but I stick with MATE as it’s pretty comparable to what people are used to with a Windows-style interface...I’m not a fan of the Unity/Gnome 3 window manager in the more recent versions of Ubuntu.

If you need any pointers for what software to use or fun / other tweaks you can do, let me know! :)

My current desktop on my laptop, with Cairo Dock on the right:

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/03/2019 at 13:09

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I appreciate that, I think I’m going to try both mint and ubuntu, but I already have the ISO for Ubuntu so that goes first

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 13:17

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For sure, do your thing! One nice thing about Linux is the variety...you can literally just keep trying things to you find something that tickles your fancy. A lot of the tweaks I coul d suggest would probably work on Ubuntu as well!

Roundbadge > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 13:44

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I’ve been using Mint for 3 or 4 years exclusively at home. It would be my recommendation.

....and now that I’ve said that, I honestly couldn’t tell you which version I’m running, though I know that it’s at least 19.  Possibly 19.1.

Spanfeller is a twat > Roundbadge 09/03/2019 at 13:57

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Are you on LTS? 

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 13:58

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right now I’ve got it running on a small ARM-based dev board, and even with incredibly immature 3D support it can handle simple models without too much issue.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 16:28

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Linux is dumb and confusing. There. I said it.

Spanfeller is a twat > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/03/2019 at 16:34

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It’s been 2 days and I already miss MacOS.

To be frank, the primary reason for the install is because I don’t want to fuck with Windows and installing the C compiler and other programing tools.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 17:00

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but i nstalling stuff on Linux is more complicated than W indows?

liam > Spanfeller is a twat 09/03/2019 at 17:22

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Both Mint and Ubuntu are good. Mint is better if you want all the video/music playing stuff to work without any additional grief. Only other thing I would say to consider is that if your school provides central compute resources (ie a compute cluster)  you should check to see what they are running. If they run Red Hat then you should consider running CentOS as it’s as close to running RHEL as you can get without actually having to buy a license, and will make moving your jobs over a little more seamless.

liam > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/03/2019 at 17:26

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typing “apt-get install ‘package name’” in terminus isn’t so difficult. Neither is using the provided GUI package management tool if you prefer point and click.

Really no different in difficulty than double-clicking on a .msi file in windows then answering the installation questions.

Spanfeller is a twat > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/03/2019 at 17:44

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Not really.... I’m using it now and I already have netflix, spotify, and steam.

Spanfeller is a twat > liam 09/03/2019 at 17:44

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They run on ubuntu.... so it was a no brainer in the end.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > liam 09/03/2019 at 17:56

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Shouldn't have to open a command line to do basic shit like installing an application

liam > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/03/2019 at 20:49

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You don’t have to, hence me pointing out you can use the GUI tool, and that it can be point and click or command line - just like Windows is.

Roundbadge > Spanfeller is a twat 09/04/2019 at 07:14

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As far as I’m aware. I downloaded from their official download page, and it shows LTS through 2023. Also, using the Cinnamon desktop.

I’ll add that I have lots of RHEL experience as my company had been using it for ages up until this year.  We converted over to CentOS, and while I’m still getting my legs under me there, it hasn’t been too awful an experience.

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 12:46

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I already ran into some problems.

Ubuntu is pretty light, but I’ve gotten close to 100C temps on the CPU without the fan turning on, so something tells me it’s not being detected.

I tried using sensors, and fancontrol. but I can’t seem to find out if my fan was detected.

did you run into similar problems with the fans?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 12:58

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The fan not turning on shouldn’t be completely dependent on the OS I would think...that’s usually at least partially a BIOS thing...?

I’ve never once had an issue with a fan not coming on. Are you sure the fan is working / didn’t jiggle itself unplugged?

What model laptop and I’ll do some research for you. FYI, as I am sure you know, I wouldn’t run it with temps that hot for the time being - try using another device until we get this sorted as we don’t want your CPU to cook...

If you install PSensor on Ubuntu or Linux Mint is a great program for displaying temps btw.

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 13:00

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I think some lenovo users use thinkfan, but I configured it, and ran coretemp and it doesn’t do anything, xsensors only shows the CPU temperature

Its the ideapad s340

Im gonna run windows and check if it does turn on

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 13:01

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Is this a dual-boot then, presumably?

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 13:05

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Yes, but a very basic setup (turn on and press F12)

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 13:07

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The fan does run when using windows.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 13:15

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OK, lemme see if I can find anything and I’ll post on the Ubuntu forums on your behalf...not sure if you have an account there (I’ve had one for years now), but, if so, you can post in the thread and if not, you can watch and we’ll see what people suggest - they tend to be quite helpful! :)

I imagine it’s just that a module just needs to be loaded or something....I do know Lenovo can be a bit proprietary at times...

Thread is here:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2426169

If you want something to do in the meantime, for the heck of it to see if it’s an Ubuntu-only issue, you could try downloading and setting up a LiveUSB for Manjaro Linux and doing a live boot into that. It won’t mess with your Ubuntu or Windows install, but if the fan DOES work in Manjaro, we’d know it’s an Ubuntu-specific issue (as Manjaro is based on Arch Linux).

https://manjaro.org/

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 13:32

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Thanks!

I did think about running a live version to check if it was with the install, but then I went into the Lenovo BIOS and changed thermal management from “intelligent” to “Performance” and I finally caught the sucker running.

it still doesn’t detect the fans on the terminal... so I’m gonna keep an eye on the thread! Maybe there’s a less archaic solution to this issue

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 13:35

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Oh, yay, at least it’s working and wasn’t a major hassle to fix!

So the fans just run constantly now? Are they running at max all the time...?

Anything else I can do to help out, just let me know! It’s pretty nerdy of me, I know, lol, but I like spreading Linux as an option as there is still a lot of people who consider it super overly buggy...your situation doesn’t exactly completely dissuade that notion, but it didn’t take long to find a seemingly usable solution and hopefully it will work well for you. :)

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 13:36

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The temperature hits 65+ and it turns on momentarily until it goes down to 45-50.

certainly strange, but hey, at least I’m not running dangerously hot.

I ran all the benchmarks, one of the cores hit 90, and then went down to 55-ish during the remainder of the test....

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 13:50

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Ah, that doesn’t seem too bad, eh? Need any software recommendations?

Krita is a great Photoshop replacement. I use it in collaboration with Pinta for image editing.

Redshift is a program similar to ‘Night Shift’ on Windows 10 that tints the screen coloring towards red as it approaches dusk/night to make it easier on the eyes.

Remmina is a good RDP/VNC, etc Remote Desktop client if you need one.

Vokoscreen is a good screen-recorder program if you ever need one.

Shotcut is a great open-source video editor (which is also available for Windows as well!)

If you want some little games to pass the time for a few minutes once and awhile instead of playing something on Steam or whathaveyou, try KBounce (like old-school Jezzball on Windows!), Funny Boat, Neverball or SuperTux (a Linux Super Mario clone :P)

Converseen is a great batch image-converter. I use it to convert a lot of PNG pictures into JPG en masse to save hard drive space every once and awhile.

LinSSID is a great WiFi info tool.

Cairo Dock is a great and very customizable icon dock program - I use it on the right side of my desktop with all my most-used programs to keep my desktop relatively clean...it’s also nice eye candy.

Cool Retro Term is also some fun eye candy for when you need to do things in Terminal! ;)

GSmartControl is great for checking on your hard drives (it shows SMART diagnostic data to tell you about their health, etc)

HardInfo is a great system information tool.

GParted is a great partition editor for your hard drives.

Timeshift can be really useful in the event of issues, think of it like a Linux version of Windows’ ‘System Restore Point’ feature.

Baobab is a great visual hard drive / file reference tool to see what’s on your hard drive and how much space things are taking up. Also get K4DirStat as it is also a great program for this using a different visual style.

No idea how much any of that is useful to you....some may already be installed in Ubuntu, but no harm in passing along useful/fun info!

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 14:00

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Many already were, except hardinfo which i downloaded on my crusade for fan info.... gparted is pretty cool

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 14:40

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Yup, it can be pretty helpful!

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 15:45

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In the end, I did what they suggested in the forum...

bad luck I guess, but the fan controller isn’t cooperating.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 15:52

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Oh, is it not working again?

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/05/2019 at 15:53

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They recommended going to the BIOS and making it do things from there.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 16:33

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Ah, gotcha, hence the Performance setting rather than Intelligent....gotcha. :)

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/05/2019 at 18:05

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FYI, we got a reply in the thread on the Ubuntu forums, not sure if you wanted to bother trying what he did or not...I seem to recall you said you’d put in fancontrol, not sure if you did lm-sensors or not though!

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2426169&p=13885802#post13885802

Spanfeller is a twat > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/06/2019 at 12:37

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I did try, it doesn’t read the controlers :(

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Spanfeller is a twat 09/06/2019 at 13:59

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Ah well, at least the BIOS settings change worked for now!