[POLITICS] Interesting Trump Family Grift Story (Forbes)

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 08/15/2019 at 11:46 • Filed to: None

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The obligatory buffer image... Mohs Ostentatienne

It’s Forbes Magazine, so Fake News? Or not? What I like about this story is that the writer is careful and thorough about acknowledging that Eric Trump’s done more than a bit of good along the way. But the rest? More to shake one’s head about. A re the Trump Family’s dealings are NO DIFFERENT than anyone else’s, and we’re just getting an unfair media barrage about it?

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For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 11:54

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Are the Trump Family’s dealings are NO DIFFERENT than anyone else’s

They are not.  More than one thing is bad.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 11:59

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I don’t understand.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 12:01

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Any foundation with a prominent family’s name attached is a scheme to funnel bribes from unscrupulous actors to salaries for foundation employees.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 12:12

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Something something money laundering.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 08/15/2019 at 12:28

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Seriously though: where does Forbes fall in the News Fakeness Spectrum?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 12:34

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Super fake

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/05/08/why-we-took-trump-off-the-forbes-400-during-his-decade-of-tax-losses/amp/

facw > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 12:36

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It’s sort of all over the place actually. The reason (from Wikipedia):

Forbes.com uses a “contributor model” in which a wide network of “contributors” writes and publishes articles directly on the website. [28] Contributors are paid based on traffic to their respective Forbes.com pages; the site has received contributions from over 2,500 individuals, and some contributors have earned over US$100,000, according to the company.

They are willing to publish a lot of stuff from f ree lancers, and as a result quality varies. The stuff in the magazine is generally quite trust worthy, but I wouldn’t trust an online article if they are the only source reporting. That doesn’t mean the onli ne articles are wrong or that anything is blatantly false, but there’s definitely a lower standard for Forbes.com

facw > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 12:39

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That’s how properly run foundation scams operate. The Trump family claims they take no salary from the Trump Foundation (I haven’t verified that), but there’s a lot of evidence that the foundation money was just blatantly spent to support Trump’s businesses and vanity.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 12:40

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I would say they’re quite reliable (...so very Fake News in DJT parlance?). Similar to WSJ in the sense that it is old money conservative leaning, compared to something like NYT for example. But not an outlet that would just run a story without doing the background. So for this to come out of them, is quite something.

A story of too much greed getting in the way of something that at least appears to have started off as a genuinely good idea. It’s completely reasonable and common for charities to have some level less than 100% of proceeds going to the designated cause - if they acknowledged that and kept fees reasonable that’s fine. But why do that when you can CLAIM that 100% goes to charity, and then bill yourself exponentially increasing sums anyway?

The Ghost of Oppo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 12:48

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Eat the Rich

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 13:33

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To echo others maybe a little, I don’t thin k they’ve been egregious in either direction.  A fairly neutral site (fake news belonging to the so-called right, of course :) )

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 13:50

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Is this a goal or a wish? If it is a goal, do you have a plan and a timeline to achieve this?

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 14:27

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It’s the 7th step of my 13 step program

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 14:29

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What step do you arm yourself and start killing people?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 08/15/2019 at 14:33

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The thing that caught my attention was how at the end, the writer seemed to suggest that Eric Trump might be heading back to the original roots of actually doing something good. I keep looking for some redeeming trait, some charm  to come from someone in that family.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > facw 08/15/2019 at 14:35

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Business and vanity? Shocking allegation and very unfair.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 15:44

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Not today FBI

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 15:46

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So you don’t have a plan, and will replace any real revolutionary action with irony. Cool cool.  Lenin would be proud.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 15:58

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I can’t tell if you’re actually mad. Your wit is usually more easily discernible

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 16:00

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I am frustrated by people who claim a desire to eat the rich or storm detention camps or overthrow a government official, yet take no action towards that goal.

If you want to kill a billionaire just buy a weapon and do it already ffs.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 16:05

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Show me where Lemmy hurt you

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 16:07

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This is why no one takes socialists seriously, fyi.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 16:09

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Oh so you were actually offended by my original comment.  

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 16:10

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In so much as it’s an empty worthless statement  unless you act on it, yes.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 16:12

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You need to get out more

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 16:13

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I go to work and contribute to liberal society, I think that counts.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 16:14

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Maybe if you ate more people you’d grow thicker skin

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2019 at 16:21

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Nah murder is bad

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 16:23

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TIL

Steve in Manhattan > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/15/2019 at 18:32

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Ah ... a  Mohs ...

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 18:33

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Is it really the empty rhetoric that frustrates you, or the ideology with which the rhetoric is associated?

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/15/2019 at 18:39

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Both. I don’t find detached irony or murderous ideologies funny.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 18:46

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Personally, I’m frustrated by bad faith actors. Is this idea of cannibalizing the wealthy threatening to you because you are a rich person? Are you worried about being eaten, as it were, by the unwashed communist hordes? Was someone important to you consumed by communists?

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/15/2019 at 18:48

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Bad faith actors are bad, and they act. They don’t talk about a revolution they have no intention of fighting.

Pick up a weapon and go kill a billionaire , or just join the hoards of pathetic bros who podcast away their angst.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 19:00

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Bad faith actors are bad, and they act. They don’t talk about a revolution they have no intention of fighting.

I was referring more to sophistry, intentional equivocation and the like, not harmless venting on the internet but you do you.

I go to work and contribute to liberal society, I think that counts.

I’m curious what beneficial work it is you do that justifies this level of conceit

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/15/2019 at 19:08

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I keep people in airplanes alive.  It’s like the opposite of running a gulag.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 19:16

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“Stopping things from getting worse” is not the same as “making things better”, but seeing as confusing the two is perhaps  the fundamental problem with modern-day liberalism, what more should I expect from a self-professed liberal?

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/15/2019 at 19:27

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You can expect me to recognize that gulags are bad, that the CPC agg ression in Hong Kong is bad, and other facts.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/15/2019 at 19:45

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Totalitarian state capitalism  is bad, yes

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Steve in Manhattan 08/15/2019 at 21:05

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I think the more accurate statement would be, ... the  Mohs...

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 09:59

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I’m impressed you can handle such a high stress job when song titles send you into a tailspin

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/16/2019 at 11:17

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You must have a great relationship with your parents if you think “how do you plan to achieve your goals” is a tailspin.

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 11:32

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Ouchie. Do you kiss yourself in the mirror with that mouth? 

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/16/2019 at 11:38

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The only thing I kiss is the fresh, out-of-season produce I buy at my local grocer thanks to free trade.

Literally me living in the modern liberal world order

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 12:01

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Get over yourself

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/16/2019 at 12:04

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How can I get over myself when the world’s oceans are full of ships bringing products across nations and borders, in a global order that is eliminating poverty at rates un imaginable a century ago?

The Ghost of Oppo > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 12:10

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I wish I had some idea as to your intent in all of this

For Sweden > The Ghost of Oppo 08/16/2019 at 12:12

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No intent other than to enjoy the happiness brought about by global cooperation and free markets.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 13:38

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The free market is making people so happy they don’t even know what to do with themselves! Praise be to the Holy Market and its Divine Wisdom

MrSnrub > The Ghost of Oppo 08/16/2019 at 13:40

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Ideo logues gonna ideo logue

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/16/2019 at 13:41

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If you say so

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 14:14

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The CPC for all its many flaws has done a pretty good job reducing poverty, yes.

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/16/2019 at 14:16

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Bruh

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 14:25

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$1.90 a day doesn’t even guarantee adequate nutrition. It is not a dignified existence. Move the poverty threshold to something more reasonable and the picture isn’t nearly as rosy. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/nov/01/global-poverty-is-worse-than-you-think-could-you-live-on-190-a-day

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/16/2019 at 14:31

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If you change the goals you change the data, yes.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 14:46

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The goal should be higher than starving a bit less and  it doesn’t require gulags to get there

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/16/2019 at 14:47

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Yet s eizing the means of production always leads to gulags. Curious that.

MrSnrub > For Sweden 08/16/2019 at 14:58

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Is that what the song was about?

There are many varieties of socialism. I prefer the democratic reformist ones . Did a Lada run over your dog?

For Sweden > MrSnrub 08/16/2019 at 15:00

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“ Did a Lada run” of course not