From My Cold, Dead Hands

"Goggles Pizzano" (gogglespizzano) 07/31/2019 at 11:40 • Filed to: None

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I received a e-mail reminder this morning. Earlier this year I’d considered running a Single Board Computer running Windows 10 with an offline Windows 7 machine and a shared hard drive. A switch thingy for my monitor, keyboard and mouse would also be needed. Lately I’ve been leaning away from this plan due to cost (around $700) and SBCs not handling my monitor resolution. Now a dual operating system seems an okay option.

Am I the only one still running Windows 7? Anyone else have a plan?

Wacko > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:44

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windows 7 too new for N ibby

guessing even XP is still too new for him.

E90M3 > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:44

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I use MacOS at home, and when I swapped companies last year I got swapped from Windows 7 to 10. I really don’t have any issues with it, what are your oppositions to upgrading? 

facw > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:44

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I upgraded my last Windows 7 machine to 10 last summer. To be frank, unless you are hanging on to Windows Media Center, I don’t see much reason not upgrade.

Goggles Pizzano > facw 07/31/2019 at 11:45

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There are software reasons...

BeaterGT > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:46

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Just built a new PC and put Win10 on it. It’s been a week or so and I’m already thinking about wiping it clean and putting Win7 on...

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:47

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I was running 7 up until 3 months ago. I still prefer it over 10 or whatever the fuck this is now.

Goggles Pizzano > E90M3 07/31/2019 at 11:47

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It’s a software thing.

E90M3 > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:48

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Compatibility then? 

Boxer_4 > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:49

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I’m still running 7. I’ll probably bail to 10 LTSC after support on 7  runs out. I need to test it on a spare machine first though...

benjrblant > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:50

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I think the only reasonable solution is to revert to XP.

jimz > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:54

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I went to 8 and then 8.1 when they came out, then 10 when it came out. Even at work we’ve rolled out Windows 10 across the entire company.

7 is done. 10 years was a good run.

it’s been amusing to see this play out over and over again. every time Microsoft releases a new version of Windows (or drops support for an older one) the same people complain.

“Windows 2000? You can pry my 98SE from my cold dead hands!”

“Windows XP? Fisher-Price garbage! You can pry my Windows 2000 from my cold dead hands!”

“Windows Vista? Worst OS EVAR! You can pry my XP from my cold dead hands!”

“Windows 7? Just a warmed over Vista. You can pry my XP from my cold dead hands!”

“Windows 8? where’s my Start Menu? You can pry my Windows 7 from my cold dead hands!”

and so on. 

Goggles Pizzano > E90M3 07/31/2019 at 11:54

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Um, yes. :-)x

Goggles Pizzano > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/31/2019 at 11:55

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Shhh, it’s listening.

facw > benjrblant 07/31/2019 at 11:55

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Everyone knows Windows 98SE is the pinnacle of Windows!

E90M3 > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:55

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That’s a fair issue  then.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:56

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You could air gap the windows 7 and run it forever.

Goggles Pizzano > jimz 07/31/2019 at 11:58

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I’m not complaining, i t’s not the fear of something new or comfort of something familiar. I technically need to continue running it.

DucST3-Red-1Liter-Standing-By > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 11:59

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Still rocking 7 on my thinkpad. Will probably go linux soon

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:01

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Windows 7, or as I like to call it, Windows “almost as good as XP”

CalzoneGolem > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:01

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I bought a win 7 machine because xp was no longer supported. I’ll probably upgrade in couple of years.

Maxima Speed > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:02

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I have one employee left on my network using windows 7. Will be upgrading him soon. I walked in to a chase  bank the other day to set up an account. During the conversation I noticed his computer was using Windows 7. When I brought it up he fed me a line that the IT department fed him about it being more secure because of there systems in place. Needless to say I did not entrust them to keep my money or private info very private, and didn’t set up an account.

Goggles Pizzano > Maxima Speed 07/31/2019 at 12:04

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haha

Nick Has an Exocet > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:06

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Can you run 7 in an off line virtual machine?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:07

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10 at work. 7 on my laptop at home 

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:07

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I understand that a number of boards of elections are still running Windows 7. Yay.

Goggles Pizzano > Nick Has an Exocet 07/31/2019 at 12:08

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This is an idea.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:09

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I’m running 10 at work and then ubuntu on my home machine dual booted with 10 for gaming.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:10

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I went win10 at the beginning of the year and haven’t looked back. 10 is better than 7 in pretty much every way.

benn454 > jimz 07/31/2019 at 12:10

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 If they would stop breaking things, people wouldn't complain so much.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:10

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I’m still running 7 on my MacBook Pro, but otherwise I’ve moved on to 10. I ditched my Windows Media Center machine and am now running Plex and couldn’t be happier (for the most part). Now that most of my computers are i5/i7, albeit a little older, I don’t really need to run an old OS. I do have a vintage gaming machine made out of spare parts that still runs 98, but that’s an outlier.

At the office they’re slowly migrating us over, but most of our work is done via Citrix, so the OS really doesn’t matter. The only problem is when you sit down at the new machine you need to find all of your icons and apps and reconfigure your printer settings, but once that’s done it’s the  same old...

Brickman > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:13

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Im still on Windows 7. I dont see the point of getting Windows 10 until I build another PC.

benn454 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 07/31/2019 at 12:15

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 Except for data collection and app compatibility. 

UggaDuggaForAll > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:19

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I use 10 on my work laptop, but spend a good part of the day in Unix (AIX). 

I have one 7 machine running at home for gaming and dealing with MS only stuff.

All my other computers at home are Linux or OSX.

I swore off of MS OS’s with 8 and my experience with 10 and Windows Server 12/ 16 have reinforced my decision to avoid MS OS’s.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:20

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Government employee, still on Windows 7 because my computer is too old and underpowered to support Win10. Many, many of us are (some still run XP). 

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:21

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I’ve found Windows 10 to be very good, although we’ve still got a few holdouts at work some reason. I can’t really think of any advantages 7 offers, unless this is an obsolete hardware or software situation that can’t run 10.

wafflesnfalafel > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:22

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I really liked 7... but I bit the bullet and upgraded my personal machine earlier this year when my employer made the switch to 10.  10 does seem to run Skype better at work, but boot times and processing speed seems to be significantly worse on my personal machine even after shutting off as much of the redundant gizmotron stuff as I could...

Funktheduck > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:22

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I just got back into Windows after a 7 year hiatus. Last version I used was Vista. On 10 now. No complaints so far. 

just-a-scratch > jimz 07/31/2019 at 12:24

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Windows 95, Vista, and 8/8.1 were not great operating system upgrade s. Skipping those in favor of keeping the old ones a while longer seemed a decent choice.

Not migrating to 10 at this point seems strange. You better have a pretty good reason not to do it.

user314 > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 07/31/2019 at 12:24

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Bold of you to assume they’re running something as modern as Win7. I’d expect XP, if not 3.11.

just-a-scratch > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:25

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emoticon with bowtie. I like it.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > benn454 07/31/2019 at 12:27

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What can I say? All the apps I use work fine on 10. And data collection is inescapable these days. If you want to use technology made in this decade that’s the price.

Goggles Pizzano > Funktheduck 07/31/2019 at 12:32

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I’m sure I’ll adapt. Actually look forward to some new features. I just need to run both is all.

Goggles Pizzano > wafflesnfalafel 07/31/2019 at 12:34

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Strip ing it down will be my first order of business.

Goggles Pizzano > Nick Has an Exocet 07/31/2019 at 12:36

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I would have to look into how graphics are handled . L ag times too.

HammerheadFistpunch > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:39

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I have 7 pro on my main machine and its important to keep it that way for the software that’s on it.  I hate 10

HammerheadFistpunch > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 12:39

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graphics don’t do well over remote terminal.  I’ve tried.  

benn454 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 07/31/2019 at 12:44

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It shouldn’t have to be. There’s no reason they need it except to sell you to third parties without your informed consent. But everyone just lays there and takes it because convenience.

I don’t know about you, but I opt out of everything I can (even when MS makes the process purposefully opaque).

jimz > benn454 07/31/2019 at 12:46

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I guess I’ve been incredibly lucky in that I’ve never really experienced any of this “breakage.”

Goggles Pizzano > HammerheadFistpunch 07/31/2019 at 12:49

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Goggles Pizzano > HammerheadFistpunch 07/31/2019 at 12:51

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its important to keep it that way for the software that’s on it

We share this.

benn454 > jimz 07/31/2019 at 13:00

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 You must be. App compatibility is a known issue with 10.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 13:06

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ranwhenparked > Maxima Speed 07/31/2019 at 13:09

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Where I work, we’re all on 7 until later this week, though our primary system is still CPM based and won't be switching. 

Longtime Lurker > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 13:13

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I still running 7, it's running nice and stable. I'm not looking forward to doing a OS install again.

Tripper > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 13:15

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A clean install of 10 pro isn’t a bad transition for a die hard 7 user. I keep a 7 VM in my back pocket for older software, otherwise Win 10 is great. Any of the features that annoyed me were easy to switch off. The biggest pain for me personally is the separation of “control panel” and “settings”, but I’m in “the biz” so I have to deal with that more often that your average user.

Goggles Pizzano > Longtime Lurker 07/31/2019 at 13:16

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Mine’s not so stable anymore. My fault though, it’s just been way too long since a big cleanup. This is a reason I’m looking forward to this change. I’ll use to opportunity to strip it right back.

jimz > benn454 07/31/2019 at 13:18

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well, if by “app compatibility” you mean “apps written using poor development practices which Microsoft has been screaming at people to stop doing for years” then I don’t think it’s on them. Windows has had proper permissions and security systems ever since NT 3.1. Any vendor still selling software in 2019 which breaks because it can’t do stupid stuff like store user data in system folders instead of the user’s AppData folder or hard-codes paths honestly deserves to go out of business.

bending over backwards to try to support broken software developed by dummies is an anchor on Windows. Apple doesn’t do that at all; when they say something is deprecated, they mean it. It means “we’re getting rid of x , start using y instead; x will have no new features in this OS release and will be removed from the next one.” And when the next OS release arrives, x is indeed gone.

When Microsoft says something is “deprecated,” they mean “hey, we want to get rid of x , and we’ve developed y to replace it. It’d be neat if you would move your software over to using y . What? you don’t want to? it’ll be too much work? you want to keep charging $20,000 a seat for something you wrote 20 years ago and is a barely-stable piece of shit? well, OK, we’ll keep x around and put a few more band-aids on it for you.”

Jewish Stig > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 13:32

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I switched about a year ago, when upgraded my pc, to win 10.

Frankly, didn’t see any noticeable difference from a performance perspective.

The only caveat are the annoying update notifications that essentially throw you out of whatever you were doing,and you have to cancel them. 

But it all depends on if you actually need win7, do you run any legacy apps that are not compatible? 

Roundbadge > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 13:39

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Work-supplied: been 10 since 10 was available. Teething issues? Sure...but I got used to it.

Home:  Linux Mint.

benn454 > jimz 07/31/2019 at 13:46

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 I was referring to legacy MS software that they developed and updated for years that was functional and well-liked that stopped working because MS released a shiny new app to replace them and wanted everyone to use those instead, even if they were shit.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 14:02

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Holy crap - hard to believe it’s been around for almost 10 years.

I’m still on it (at work) , but switching very soon.

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > user314 07/31/2019 at 14:04

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Not an assumption, but unfortunate fact :

https://apnews.com/e5e070c31f3c497fa9e6875f426ccde1

BeaterGT > benn454 07/31/2019 at 14:32

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Don’t forget the inability to turn off sticky corners. What a fun thing to run your mouse into when using multiple monitors.  I definitely need all this Cortana and Xbox bloatware too...

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > benn454 07/31/2019 at 14:59

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I also opt out, and I’m not defending the data collection. The data that I need to be secure is as secure as I can make it (location, financial info, etc ) and everything else is used for what? Tailoring ads to me? That’s not a big deal. In the event of a breach i t’s extremely unlikely that I’d specifically b e targeted what with there being 7 billion other people, and what would a malicious player even do with that info that could impact me in real life? Threaten to release my search history if I don’t pay up?

That’s the way I see it, at least.

facw > just-a-scratch 07/31/2019 at 16:37

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95 was a huge upgrade over 3.1. Vista was a big upgrade over XP (only problems I ever had with it were Nvidia’s fault). I’ll grant that 8.x was not a tremendous upgrade over 7.

facw > BeaterGT 07/31/2019 at 16:40

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I’ve got 10 and three monitors, and have never had my corners sticky?

BeaterGT > facw 07/31/2019 at 16:46

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Lucky you! T here are essentially dead pixels in the corners of the screen which you can’t move your mouse past. It’s dreadfully annoying, especially when combined with the changes (from 7 to 10) with the Windows+Arrow Key.

facw > BeaterGT 07/31/2019 at 16:52

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Hmm, the only way I get things stuck in the corners is due to my monitors having different resolutions. So with this configuration

t he cursor gets caught on the side screen corners because there’s no place for it to go on the main screen (which is intuitive), while it will never get caught on the main screen. Switching it to this:

will let you move freely across the bottom of all three (though it makes the area where you can’t move across the top bigger).

But yeah, beyond that, I’m definitely not having my cursor movement blocked. In general I find Win10 better for multi-monitor than 7 (though I’d still say XP->7 was a bigger jump than 7->10)

BeaterGT > facw 07/31/2019 at 16:58

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Well it didn’t happen at all with Win7 so this obviously falls under an unfavorable experience with upgrading to 10. And again, this was a clean install with both monitors having the same resolution. Here’s more info and there’s plenty more all over the internetz , https://appuals.com/disable-sticky-corners-edges-in-windows-10/

just-a-scratch > facw 07/31/2019 at 17:16

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My, perhaps more unpopular opinion is that Windows 98 was garbage and Windows Millenium (ME) was worse. I’ll even include 98SE with that. I hated the machines I had set up with those OSs.

I want to make a joke about Bob, but I have no actual experience with it.

MM54 > just-a-scratch 07/31/2019 at 17:41

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I really like 95 and never found issue with Vista. 8 was garbage, though.

MM54 > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 17:43

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I am getting close to being the last one in my company still on Windows 7. Most have gone to 10, and are working out the bugs since a lot of software we use doesn’t play nice. IT has pretty well given up on h arassing me, as they and I both know that in January I will need to switch over .

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 18:51

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I switched over from Win7 to Win10 at the VERY tail end of the one-year free upgrade period and as much as I loved 7, I have honestly really had no issues with Windows 10 at all. The only annoyance is the occasional update that auto-restarts my machine (you can’t permanently postpone them now as you could with 7), but it’s usually pretty good about doing it when the computer is idle and not in the middle of something important.

If you know what you’re doing, you can set it up to be very similar to 7 in terms of user interface.

Goggles Pizzano > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 07/31/2019 at 19:09

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I do regret missing out on the free upgrade. I just wasn’t ready to figure out how to run both yet . Now the pressure’ s on.

Goggles Pizzano > MM54 07/31/2019 at 19:11

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Not one computer in our company has been upgraded yet. This should be fun. To be fair though many machines are running MacOS.

Goggles Pizzano > Jewish Stig 07/31/2019 at 19:17

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Y es, I need to run my old software that has now become cloud based.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 21:35

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Takes a minute, that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > just-a-scratch 07/31/2019 at 21:37

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Sort of like every other one is junk

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > just-a-scratch 07/31/2019 at 21:38

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Oppo is where we gain wisdom.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BeaterGT 07/31/2019 at 21:39

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Useless frou-frou.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tripper 07/31/2019 at 21:41

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I've found it better, in a case or two, to upgrade rather than clean install because drivers.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 21:43

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I don't like change been it's only bells and whistles and not functionality. I still run office 2007. But I am finally taking the plunge in upgrading to Windows 10. and there are so many machines that I use here at home as well as at work that I'm just taking the cheap way out and upgrading rather than clean installations. Seems like it's okay so far. But then the software that I run is all mainstream stuff like Adobe creative suite Microsoft office and so on. And web browsers...

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Goggles Pizzano 07/31/2019 at 22:00

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we’ve been pushing to upgrade a work for 6 months and the owner keeps hemming and hawwing, do we have to do this?

yes yes we do (as we know it will get pushe dout more) Also an issue as a few software programs have been very clear that their 2020 versions won’t be compatible with 7. 

Goggles Pizzano > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/31/2019 at 23:03

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I also use Office 2007. It came bundled with a Dell I bought around that time. IMO there is no reason to throw money at a new version. Wait...will Office 2007 run on Windows 10? :-)x

pip bip - choose Corrour > Goggles Pizzano 08/01/2019 at 04:20

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up until recently we were using Windows XP still at work

Jewish Stig > Goggles Pizzano 08/01/2019 at 06:37

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Virtual box isn't an option? 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Goggles Pizzano 08/02/2019 at 00:00

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Same. Works fine.