Oppo inform me: high mileage Abarth

"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa) 07/23/2019 at 12:14 • Filed to: None

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What are your thoughts on buying a 120k mile Fiat 500 Abarth from a friend who has had it for the last 40k miles and is selling due to financial difficulties? Wastegate actuator has been replaced. Car has been maintained. Minor aesthetic difficulties, rear seat removed (but still present) and a catless downpipe means a dealership/carmax won’t touch it with a 12 foot pole and he needs it sold by tomorrow to buy a cheap truck for his upcoming life changes.

Price is irrelevant. It’s a phenomenal deal and I can afford it, I just can’t afford it to be a $700-a-month-in-parts pain in my ass.

A friend and fellow youtuber has already bought it from the seller and is going to keep it a couple of months before offering it to me for what he paid for it. That’ll give me a while to figure out if it’s a total crapcan or not and decide if I like the “farting loudly on a barstool” driving experience. Would certainly be nice to have a car made in the last 10 years.

This would be replacing the LS400.

TysMagic > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:23

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Mine gave me a surprise oil consumption issues at 40k miles that seemed to be echoed throughout the multiair community as a common thing. The new owner doesn’t seem to be having problems with it (he found me on the gram) and others reports reasonable long term results, so perhaps worth the fun adventures? 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:23

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CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:26

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You really like broken cars.

Just get a yaris and live happily ever!

DipodomysDeserti > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:29

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Jesus christ, Jake.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:30

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Glad to see you live up to your name.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > TysMagic 07/23/2019 at 12:32

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Huh. Neither of the owners I know ever had such issues. 5k mile oil changes with Rotella T6.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 07/23/2019 at 12:33

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No way I could be happy in a Yaris.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > DipodomysDeserti 07/23/2019 at 12:34

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Yeah see that’s the reaction I keep getting but nobody ever gives any evidence they’re super unreliable outside of teething issues when they were within warranty period.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 07/23/2019 at 12:34

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Yeah see that’s the reaction I keep getting but nobody ever gives any evidence they’re super unreliable outside of teething issues when they were within warranty period.

Arrivederci > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/23/2019 at 12:37

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Says it all.

Arrivederci > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:39

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This wouldn’t be bad luck. You’d have to change your name to: “Jake - Brings Financial Ruin on Himself.” :)

Hell, why do you think the current owner has financial difficulties? It’s the Fiat!

Joking aside - depending on how cheap you can get it, it might be a deal.  I haven’t heard terrible things about these mechanically, it’s generally a bunch of little things going wrong.

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:40

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Do it and report back. OPPOS want to know!  I love the sound of Abarth 500s. 

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:41

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I know of nobody who bothered to keep theirs long after warranty period because of the problems.

It’s up to you whether you go for it. I wish you the best of luck if you do.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Arrivederci 07/23/2019 at 12:42

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Like what? The only common issues I can find are crappy hose clamps on the intake causing boost leaks, and the wastegate actuator failing which causes an overboost condition and bye bye engine. Both are fixable for under a Benny and an evening of work.

The current owner is going to school in an expensive part of the country with a part time job and needs a truck for what he’s doing so the Abarth needs to go ASAP so he can buy said truck. He’s had it for 40k miles with no issues whatsoever.

Everyone parrots “hurr durr fix it again tonithy” but they’ve been making these bastards for the better part of 10 years now so I’m sure every issue they have is nailed down, documented, and parts are available to easily remedy it. Example: the owner already replaced the wastegate actuator with an aftermarket one that is more durable.

DipodomysDeserti > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:43

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I know, but as gearheads we all know luck plays a big factor in vehicle reliability .

I owned one from new until about 30k miles. Only issue I had was the too hats crunching. There was a service advisory on it, but the FCA mechanics also installed the new ones wrong so it came back.

I’d imagine one with that many miles can be had for dirt cheap, so you might as well go for it. I bought mine new for around $17k, but saw them as low as $15k . Mine was valued at $8k after two years. Worse depreciation than my BMWs.

MonkeePuzzle > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:46

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for regular folks, 120k sounds fine, just broken in

but for Jake, wh o has the bad luck... well...

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:49

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Kia forte? lol

i86hotdogs > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 12:55

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Huge aftermarket for these engines. They put this engine in the manual Renegade, I put an aftermarket wastegate actuator, blow off plate, turbo blanket, bored throttle body, and K&N drop in filter. The engine was a riot to drive. The year I owned it yielded no issues you mentioned. I heard the clutch can wear prematurely if even driven modestly . So check into that

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > DipodomysDeserti 07/23/2019 at 13:01

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To me a higher mileage one seems like a safer bet since you know by then if it’s a lemon or not. Most of the issues with these seemed to be 0-40k mile things. I just looked around on Rockauto and parts for these are dirt fuckin cheap and since the engine was used in [everything] and 500 Abarths and regular 500s are [everywhere] it doesn’t seem in danger of me not being able to get parts like with my motherfucking LS400.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > i86hotdogs 07/23/2019 at 13:01

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I heard oil filters are a no-no for these. The rest of that sounds like reasonable preventative maintenence mods honestly, lol.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > MonkeePuzzle 07/23/2019 at 13:02

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I need to have a fun car again :(

benjrblant > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:05

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Under_Score > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:08

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This should be better than your current fleet. It’s not a Focus or a Pathfinder with an automatic transmission. These are good values, so I’d go for it. 

Arrivederci > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:10

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I’ve known a couple folks who have owned them, both have gotten rid of them. Like I said, I haven’t heard terrible things about them mechanically, but here are some of the issues they mentioned to me over the years as I remember it:
+ Trim falling off
+ Side skirts falling off
+ AC inop (ended up being some sort of electrical issue)
+ Dash rattle
+ Door misalignment
+ Bluetooth p hone button on steering wheel inop
+ Seized key lock
+ Steering knock in turns (forget what replacement/fix was)
+ Window regulator broken

One of them was lemon-lawed and the owner described it as “communist car quality.” The other was owned by an autocrosser who didn’t really care about the nagging issues. Both were solid mechanically.  If I bought one cheaply enough, I wouldn’t have a problem owning one, knowing that it would possibly end up having a number of small issues.

TysMagic > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:20

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I didn’t find a ton of people saying it, but I found enough that it seemed to be a common thread of awareness among the abarth community 

i86hotdogs > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:31

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Yeah I agree on that. I didn’t want to drop significant amount of money on a CAI, but you’ll be better off with a that vs a drop in filter.

DipodomysDeserti > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:45

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Yeah, the turbos are Garetts as well, which should hold up over time. Better than the POS IHIs in some Subarus.

RacinBob > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 13:45

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Seems like $6900 to $8500 will get you one about anywhere. This one is $7500 with 85,000 miles..... https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=512129875&zip=54601&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D54601%26keywordPhrases%3DAbarth%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D25%26marketExtension%3Don%26modelCodeList%3DFIAT500%26makeCodeList%3DFIAT%26searchRadius%3D0&numRecords=25&firstRecord=25&modelCodeList=FIAT500&makeCodeList=FIAT&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=FIAT&modelCode1=FIAT500&clickType=listing

I don’t hear of them chronically blowing engines, plus it is a stick, So I guess the question is your tolerance for the odd trim and digital gremlins.....

fhrblig > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 14:00

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Mechanically it’ll be fine. The interior will rattle, trim will break, the seatback will stop reclining or tilting forward, you'll change a lot of taillights. I say go for it.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > fhrblig 07/23/2019 at 14:03

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I feel like I can live with that. 29mpg doesn’t hurt either.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 14:39

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Somebody on Oppo has a normal 500 that they’ve had no issues with? I’d say go for it!

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 14:46

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Jake, I say this with friendship and caring, but I think your bad luck would probably win over your fun quotient.

Would probably be cheap to run, but I doubt if you’re thrashing it you’ll get the MPG you expect. 

OmerCarrothers333 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 16:20

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Jay Leno thought these were cool. I almost got the Dodge Dart that had the same engine, but decided to wait to get the 2.4L engine (which ultimately shit the bed and I had to do a buyback under warranty).

I say go for it.

Poor_Sh > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 16:21

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I’m just here for Amon Abarth \m/

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 18:54

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Per my memory the transmissions are known to blow up with little warning. So, uh, that.

Rob > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 19:05

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Ive had two 500 Abarths with well over 100k between both. One was an Cabrio model. Never had one issue and both cars were modded to put down about 200-220 HP. Blast to drive, I now have a 124 Abarth. Don't pay any attention to BS like Consumer reports that gave them low marks for reliability. What most people don't dig deep on is most of the low marks came from reliability issues having to do with the freaking infotainment system.

MultiplaOrgasms > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 20:39

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The 2007 Fiat 500 at our workplace survived 130.000mls before the timing belt snapped. We’re still use it daily. It has the ancient 1.2L 8V FIRE tho. Which you can still buy , actually. The basic stuff should be fairly bomb-proof on these.

Greg > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 21:29

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I may as well throw in my two cents.

In my immediate family we have 6 fiat 500s. All of them are daily drivers, and none of which have left us stranded. Two of the cars are Abarths, mine being the one with the highest mileage at 132,000 miles and my dad’s Abarth which has 80,000 miles.

If you go one step out of m y immediate family, two of my uncles and two cousins also have F iat 500s, 2 of these are also Abarths.

For us, they’ve been bulletproof, the only thing that’s gone wrong for me was that my first check engine light came on at 123,000 miles for the downstream o2 sensor. (Really simple to get to) That’s literally it for me so far.

The previous comments about the interior and such are accurate, the arm rest and door panels leave something to be desired, they’re built on a budget, but it’s nothing that can’t be improved on yourself. (Look at some 595 trim parts )

There is a great deal of aftermarket support for them to from folks like Madness Autoworks, TMC Motorsport, Brembo, Wilwood, Koni and such. S o if you want to change something you can probably find a solution for it quickly.

Worthy of note, these engines are belt driven and require a service at 152,000 miles, (no small task ) so be prepared for that.

Take some time to assess how the car was cared for and driven, if it’s been a hard 120,000 miles you might see some signs of wear. I’ve heard of wheel bearings starting to go bad around this mileage but I’ve been lucky so far. S o long as the car wasn’t trashed I think it’s a great buy. They’re tremendous fun.

Seriously, have fun!

Doooshty > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 21:35

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I have a 2015 Abarth and know many other owners. Many with very high mileage. They are mechanically very solid cars. I got mine at 45k and am now near 60k. For the last 15k I have been running a tune and roughly 200-210 hp at  the wheels. 50-60hp over stock. I drive it hard. Zero issues. I have it down to around 2400 pounds with rear seat delete and other mods. Coilovers, rear torsion bar upgrade, chassis braces, intake, catless downpipe, 2.5" exhaust and a tune. I also invested in seat lowering brackets from TMC Motorsports to help with the seating position. These motors are bulletproof and have a forged bottom end from the factory. Mutiair is essentially hydraulically controlled V-tec. I have loved this car every. Single. Day. On Instagram on pocket.ferrari. Feel free to ask me anything you want. 

Driving_Impaired > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/23/2019 at 21:45

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29?! Lol if that’s happening you’re driving it wrong and might as well get an even cheaper non Abarth   500. I think I’m getting 17 with mine right now.

Also yes, interior is absolute garbage and I’m driving a month old, custom- ordered 2019 model 

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Doooshty 07/23/2019 at 21:57

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Do you have a FMIC or aftermarket intake pipe clamps to avoid boost leaks? I hear those are an issue. Also the wastegate solenoid supposedly fails frequently. How’s your oil consumption? Cool to know there exists something to change teh seating position if I get bored with the “farty barstool” position.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Greg 07/23/2019 at 21:59

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The cheapness of parts and my willingness to do my own work has me not at all dissuaded by the issues people describe on these cars.

“Absolute rubbish! Cost me thousands!”

“why?”

It’s because the d oor handle broke and the side skirt started to fall off and they paid a dealership dealership prices to put them back on. Or the rear shock mounts failed prematurely. All of which are like <$30 fixes.

Enthusiast car, indeed. Not for the non-wrench, it seems!

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Rob 07/23/2019 at 22:01

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I find many people bitching about how expensive they are simply because they paid a dealer $2000 to use some 3M tape to reattached the side skirts (common), replace the $20 door handles (common), or replace the $25 rear shock mounts (not super common but not unheard of).

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 07/23/2019 at 22:03

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Mostly want the MPG for the large amounts of solid-state highway cruising I’ll be doing for work. Gotta maximize that mileage check so I can fix the Abarth back up 

SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja > Greg 07/23/2019 at 22:26

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This is a fair take. We owned a FIAT 500 Sport and now my brother has an Abarth, both have been great, aside from the crap interior.

Our local dealer was full of fans, with four of the staff owning Abarths, and the mechanics all giving the nod for any of the 2013 + cars as some early 2012 cars experienced engine and clutch challenges

I say do it. They are cheap to operate, cheap to insure, cheap for parts, and if you do your own week they are cheap too repair.

Barthy7 > TysMagic 07/24/2019 at 03:07

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This just happened on mine and I resolved it. Change the pcv  valve and clean out the air oil separator. All better now!

Barthy7 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 03:12

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120k on any car might need some additional attention especially if it’s modified . So far for the Abarth it’s been extremely reliable, just get ready to change a lot of tail light bulbs.

Shaheen Merhej > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 07:30

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Own ed one for two years. Spent 2 months of that time in the shop. Would’ve been over 4k in repairs if it wasn’t warranty work. Just traded it in when the turbo started to go - loved the car but I couldn’t take it anymore.

And that was only from 26k to 42k miles. Imagine what you get at 120.

Borgward > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 07/24/2019 at 08:05

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You’re full of it. You don’t know anyone, especially since thanks to people like you, they don’t sell in numbers large enough. This unit has been around over 7 years. Ever see any recalls? Go to any message board for these cars and see how few problems come up. This, for what is basically a highly optioned sub compact economy car.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Shaheen Merhej 07/24/2019 at 08:37

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What specifically did it need? I do my work so a lot of the common issues these have aren’t at all a problem for me.

Jayson > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 09:19

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My Abarth is heading to 60k and only oil changes, tires, and a burned out headlight.  For people with turbos falling prematurely is usually bad maintenence.  Gotta change that oil and add it because it does burn oil between oil changes after awhile.  

Shaheen Merhej > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 10:04

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Unless you’re confident installing and calibrating a $1200 multi air unit, you won't be doing it at home. It ate two in 20k miles. Also popped a brake line on an off ramp, went through 3 shifter cables due to shitty bushings leaving me stranded, and lost traction control and hill hold every time it rained. Burns 1 at of oil per 1k miles from the factory - dealer will tell you this but it's nowhere to be found in the literature.

Shaheen Merhej > Shaheen Merhej 07/24/2019 at 10:05

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Also the 8k oil interval is complete bullshit

MNtwinz > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 15:33

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this car is absolutely terrible for highway cruising due to it’s lack of a 6th gear. DD’d one for two years.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > MNtwinz 07/24/2019 at 17:29

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idk I’ve done 2k mile road trips in my NB Miata ripping away at 4100  rpm the whole time. Doesn’t bother me.

Tim > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 18:15

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Own amd abarth with small turbo upgrade, custom tuned by me. Car is amazingly reliable. Basic maintenance amd a few wheels bearings is all. Apparently vary vary sensitive to oil because of the multiair system. 3000 mile intervals of 5w40 synthetic. I use rotella t6 for convenience. 40k miles not a single repair or check engine light besides wheel bearings. Dont listen to the clowns who say caus eit a fiat its garbage. These are the same dudes still trying to convince themselves thru their online rhetoric that a 2004 accord 4cyl ma n ual is a great sport sedan. Had mine since 3000 miles btw. Are very hard on tires and brakes on track. Not a finesse car. You really have to c arry.momentum and manhandle it to point .

Tim > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 18:21

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Yea if you read the comments here you see a pattern in the people who had problems with their abarth. Muktiple Multiair replacements on same car? Shortened turbo life? Sounds like 8 to 10k quick line pil change intervals. The multiair also has a screen/filter to service maybe every year or two. Takes 10 minutes to do. Mines never even had debris or sludge in it when I pull it out. Whole  situation is no different than vw owners whoxkmplain about sludge and timing chain amd pump drive wear.  Do 3o mile pil changes with quality synthetic and the issues disappear.

SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/24/2019 at 20:06

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A pain in the ass to reach (done from above, bit located low on the engine) , but otherwise not bad.

SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja > Driving_Impaired 07/24/2019 at 20:08

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We hooned my brother’s Abarth up and down Pikes Peak and still got 24mpg. Normal driving will yeild 30mpg without much effort.

SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja > Shaheen Merhej 07/24/2019 at 20:15

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As with any car, especially turbocharged ones. The car has a small oil capacity to start with and I wouldn’t dare drive path 5,000mi without an oil change, with synthetic.

Most MultiAir and turbocharger concerns are directly related to poor oil service intervals.

Driving_Impaired > SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja 07/25/2019 at 01:17

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Well... I wish I could relate. I just crossed 500 miles on mine and I am at 17.8. Granted this is 100% city driving but still...

I will have to set the trip calculator next time I go on an extended road trip to see what true highway mileage gets me. 

Driving_Impaired > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/25/2019 at 01:18

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“ oil filters” ???

Shaheen Merhej > SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja 07/25/2019 at 08:13

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I did my changes at 3k miles, always. If it went over, I put the abarth away and drove my jeep until I had time to get it changed. From what I've seen, multiair failure is more directly related to oil dropping below the minimum threshold for the system due to burn off than it is due to intervals. The first time it happened, it was a quart low - definitely my error. But the second time, 8,000 miles later, there was no reason for it, unless some tech screwed up putting the first replacement in.

Shaheen Merhej > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/25/2019 at 08:14

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I got 26.5 avg at best on premium. 25 on mid grade

MNtwinz > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/25/2019 at 10:27

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fair enough! honestly though, really enjoyed my Abarth for about 90% of the time I owned it. that other 10% was probably when I was on the highway, or when the armrest kept falling apart -_-

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Driving_Impaired 07/25/2019 at 21:18

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Oiled filters*

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja 07/25/2019 at 21:19

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So roughly the same as a 2JZ or  NB2 Miata? Under the intake manifold low on the block. Have fun burning your forearm on the intake every time, lol

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Tim 07/25/2019 at 21:20

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5-6k changes with rotella t6 seem to be the secret sauce from what I’ve read. Haven’t come across mention of the filter, but that’s good to know.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Tim 07/25/2019 at 21:21

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Sounds like fun. I just want a fun manual daily I can beat mercilessly with a modicum more practicality than a Miata and won’t break the bank .

SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/25/2019 at 21:50

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If the engine is hot, it sucks. There is a turbo right there and a sharp, but thankfully only composite splash shield, and all of this is tightly packaged against the engine block on one side and the radiator fan assembly on the other.

Doable, but the most comfortable  course is a cold engine, run for 2 minutes just to warm the oil a little.

SlideshowOhNO - Fixit Union, Chapter of Kinja > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/26/2019 at 00:22

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I forgot about two issues experienced with our 2015.

The first was the BT link sucked and would randomly crash, causing an ‘unable to connect’ error. To fix I had to reset the BT module (usually just disconnect the battery for a bit, or take it to the dealer for a ‘reboot’. Was never truly fixed when the revised FW came out. The brother’s 2017 has uConnect, which seems far better a nd, so far, has no issues.

The second issue was the shifter linkage broke. This is acommon failure on the manuals and t here is an aftermarket “short throw’ linkage that fixes the issue. Nuespeed maybe?