I can officially knock driving a manual 911 off my bucket list.

"DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!" (daft-ryosuke) 07/16/2019 at 13:49 • Filed to: None

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Courtesy of a splendid 2000 Carrera 4 Cabrio with 70,000 miles and a fixed IMS bearing.

I was surprised to find it livable for a sports car of this caliber. Compared to Corvettes of this era with harsh clutches and cramped interiors, this feels like my  Lexus.

E90M3 > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 13:54

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I’ve driven 3 manual 911s, I found the clutches to be intrusively heavy.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 13:55

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So, what’s the cost of an IMS repair, and what’s the current value of this car? 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > E90M3 07/16/2019 at 13:56

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That’s because your cars’ clutches are relatively light. =)

Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/16/2019 at 13:59

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The cost of an IMS repair is to buy a 996 turbo instead since they never had the problem in the first place. 

BeaterGT > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 13:59

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This must have felt like butter if you find C5 clutches harsh.

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > BeaterGT 07/16/2019 at 14:01

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Tbf I’ve only driven the Z06

Arrivederci > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/16/2019 at 14:02

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That 911 is probably worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $17-20k. The IMS solution is about $3-4k for the repair, depending on the shop. A bit more if you want a new RMS and clutch while they’re in there.

With the M96 cars, I’d just consider it routine maintenance.

Arrivederci > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 14:03

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Nice!  I’ve never driven a 996 - my 911 experience is 997 and 991.  My bucketlist is checking off ownership on one.  Someday. 

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 14:04

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That’s really Porsche in general. They are expensive when new, but they are very capable, comfortable,  all-around sports cars.  If you’re feeling spendy, you can even make them luxurious.

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/16/2019 at 14:07

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I had an LN recommended shop do mine, it was $1800 including the qualification procedure. At the same time I did the clutch, rear main, cam chain pads, plugs, coils, plug tubes, bunch of gaskets and seals, flush the coolant and other misc stuff. $4500 or so for all of that. That car is probably in the $20k range for value.

WilliamsSW > Textured Soy Protein 07/16/2019 at 14:07

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There was a point about 2-3 years ago where the market seemed to *not* know that, and 996 Turbos got pretty cheap as a result.

Sadly however, it seems that is well known now.  Boooooooo

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 14:08

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Nice! My son commented the other day that our 2001 C4 Cab is the most comfortable car we own. It really is a practical livable everyday driver. Very comfortable, 20ish MPG, big trunk and a back seat that works for kids or fold it down for luggage.

BeaterGT > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 14:14

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Interesting, I’ll have to drive one! I’ve only taught other people how to drive stick using GM clutches due to how easy they are, at least in my experience.

E90M3 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/16/2019 at 14:15

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Not compared to any Japanese car I've driven. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > E90M3 07/16/2019 at 14:18

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Well... 

E90M3 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/16/2019 at 14:22

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I will add, after driving the A3 in the UK and coming back to my 3, the clutch felt extremely heavy. I really only have the Porsches to compare to our cars to, as far as more expensive cars go. I don’t remember the Cayman I drove having a very heavy clutch. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > E90M3 07/16/2019 at 14:27

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The Cayman I drove had a fairly heavy clutch, but nothing compared with an Elise! 

Discerning > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 14:31

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I had a C5Z and never found the clutch all that bad. Little heavier than modern stuff, but with good feel.

Interestingly enough, the throttle is what caused the most fatigue in stop and go traffic. The throttle is light and sensitive, which isn’t a good stop and go combo when you have 400 torque, so it required extra effort to be as smooth as I desired

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BeaterGT 07/16/2019 at 15:22

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And I've heard the exact opposite about Porsche clutches. 

superdave847 > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 07/16/2019 at 20:34

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That’s a beautiful example of a 996 cabriolet 

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > WilliamsSW 07/16/2019 at 20:34

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Like everything else they’ve gone up. I know not long ago you could get a sorted one for $30-35k

WilliamsSW > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 07/16/2019 at 21:54

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  Yeah those cars were ridiculous bargains at those prices. We all should have bought one. Think they’re 50-60k now. 

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > WilliamsSW 07/17/2019 at 14:24

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What sucks is everything I wanted but was too broke for 3-5 years ago because I was in engineering school is totally affordable at those prices now. So close but yet it doesn’t matter.