F1 Thoughts

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
06/30/2019 at 14:36 • Filed to: f1

So, when you go off the track and come back on, and the cars never touch, it’s bad and you deserve to lose your victory. But when you make an aggressive pass, touch wheels, and push the leader off the track, it’s okay.

I’m a diehard Ferrari fan, but I have no problem with today’s decision. In fact, I don’t think there ever should have been an investigation in the first place. Max was faster, he drove a hell of a race, and went out and won it. Leclerc was just hanging on. But F1, in a desire not to screw up what has been by far the most exciting race in ages, instead chose hypocrisy after that ridiculous ruling in Canada. But in both cases, Ferrari lost out. I hope F1 keeps its shit together for the rest of the season.

DISCUSSION (14)

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 14:44

Yep, that

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 14:46

I’m in the other school of thought that today should have been a penalty. Canada should not have been tho.

Lemme pull up some vids and we can discuss further.

ttyymmnn > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability
06/30/2019 at 14:48

By current F1 standards, you are correct. But in reality, neither incident should ever have been investigated in the first place.

federicomos > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 14:49

Should have been a penalty. I don’t understand this argument that we should let them race. When overtaking is done incorrectly it shouldn’t be applauded as “great racing”, sure it’s exciting to see but that shouldn’t be the reason that makes it acceptable.

It’s easier to push someone off the track instead of making a correct overtake.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 14:52

Watch this (preferably at 0.25 speed) :

At the very end, Ves opens up his steering lock to get on the racing line. However, Vet is right there besides him all the way through from the apex till the exit of the corner.

I think Ves was looking towards the inside on the corner and didn’t realize Lec was there on the outside and bumped. Had Ves tried to maintain more lock on the exit, there would have been enough space for Lec, Ves would have been slower and it probably would’ve a repeat of the previous lap.

Was the Ves move intentional? No. Did it cause Lec to lose the lead? Yes. That effects a penalty imo.

NYankee1927 > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 15:45

I am so glad there wasn’t a penalty. Yes Max pushes him wide, but leclerc also turned down on him at the first part of the corner. It was really close racing that wasn’t the cleanest, but def no penalty should be given. I really don’t want to see F1 turn into the NFL where every catch is analyzed to the nth degree and then decided. It really ruins it.

This is coming from a huge Ferrari fan and a not fan of Max. So I am totally biased, in the wrong direction and still think no penalty should be given

smobgirl > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 16:21

I’m starting to think we need to run F1 and MotoGP on totally separate tracks, dump a metric shitton of gravel o n the outside of the F1 tracks, and call it a day. This isn’t racing.

I’d rather see something like this not investigated, but leave Leclerc with the understanding he can fight back equally hard next race without possibly being penalized at random.

B.J. "Jazzy Joe" > ttyymmnn
06/30/2019 at 16:27

No it’s not hypocrisy. The rules are there to stop dangerous driving and each case is subtly different. This is my breakdown of it all:

Canada was the question of Vettel rejoining the track unsafely , once he gathered control of the car. The result of his driving required Hamilton to brake to stop a collision. By the letter of the law its a penalty, but its so borderline to define when Vettel was in control, you could pass it off as a racing incident.

In Austria, the question was whether Verstappen pushed another driver intentionally off-track. In his attempt for a brake pass, he was positioned on the inside. Leclerc was on the outside being passed. The collision comes from the fact that two drivers were vying for the same space to exit the corner. Racing incident.

ttyymmnn > B.J. "Jazzy Joe"
06/30/2019 at 18:23

But isn’t VES required to leave LEC on the track?

DucST3-Red-1Liter-Standing-By > ttyymmnn
07/01/2019 at 08:58

Good good, let the hate flow through you!! Come to the dark side... Cough cough... MotoGP... Cough cough

ttyymmnn > DucST3-Red-1Liter-Standing-By
07/01/2019 at 09:01

I don’t watch MotoGP regularly. What happened?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > ttyymmnn
07/01/2019 at 09:16

The more I think about it the less I like the no-call. Lecerlc, while not inside, was clearly slightly ahead going into the turn and as far as I can recall the rules state(written and unwritten) that you must leave room if neither car is clearly ahead.

ttyymmnn > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
07/01/2019 at 09:59

I think the stewards were screwed either way.

DucST3-Red-1Liter-Standing-By > ttyymmnn
07/01/2019 at 10:39

oh nothing super crazy. I just much much prefer motoGP to f1. 100 times more unpredictable, even with Marquez running the show